Carthag Tuek posted:There's a really nice mural of part of Alfabet near me, painted by artist & wrier Dea Trier Mørch Alphabet posted:1 https://www.amazon.com/alphabet-Inger-Christensen-ebook/dp/B079MTJYT4 It's available as an e-book with a free sample. Inger Christensen belonged to a Danish poetic movement called Systemic Poetry, in which entire collections of poems are organized according to strict formal demands. Alphabet uses both alphabetical ordering and the Fibonacci sequence. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Ah okay yeah I guess finding synonyms with the same initials would in many cases be impossible Thx 
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Dec 10, 2023 12:24
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the prologue to it is really hypnotizing, with how the paragraphs and then lines gradually shift from two solid pages, down to just one line
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Dec 10, 2023 12:34
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A fun part of reading it as a an adult was recognizing how many of those classic Danish songs I liked in school were actually sequences from it set to music. Like this absolutely bitching sequence from ACTION - transitivities I still hum from time to time:it posted:6 The translation does a remarkable job of preserving the rhyme and meter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2J8o9joFeY
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Dec 10, 2023 12:56
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All this talk of Williams got me to read Butcher's Crossing. It was really stellar. The imagery was wonderful, and the themes of loss and waste run strong throughout the book. A callback to a regretful segment of Western US History. Definitely going to read Augustus and Stoner eventually.
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Dec 12, 2023 19:56
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well that was the recommendation i was waiting for. i'll see if i can dig up Butcher's Crossing from a library somewhere. enjoy getting Stoned
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Dec 12, 2023 20:20
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Butchers Crossing is a western?
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Dec 12, 2023 21:40
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he actually read 'the crossing' by jim butcher
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Dec 12, 2023 21:51
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Man don't get me more hosed up. I'm already misreading it as Miller's Crossing
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Dec 12, 2023 21:52
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cumpantry posted:well that was the recommendation i was waiting for. i'll see if i can dig up Butcher's Crossing from a library somewhere. enjoy getting Stoned I’m a hundred pages into Stoner atm and really enjoying it. butcher’s Crossing is very different but at least as good imo. He always writes excellent prose: straightforward and readable, but elegant and evocative. And he’s a great storyteller.
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Dec 12, 2023 22:56
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It's a Western inasmuch as it takes place in the American West. There's no gunfights, cowboys, or Native Americans though. Well, the party runs across a group of native Americans, but I think it's like 2 lines of one paragraph and then never mentioned again.
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Dec 12, 2023 23:14
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Gaius Marius posted:Man don't get me more hosed up. I'm already misreading it as Miller's Crossing One of the main characters of Butcher’s Crossing is named Miller. Welcome to the Crossingverse
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Dec 12, 2023 23:23
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I'm a bit late to the relevant discussion, but if you guys want a conceptual framework regarding derivative works that doesn't proffer value judgements or establish arbitrary/historically contingent categories, Genette's Palimpsests would be a useful read. It was, at the very least, extremely influential on how modern literary theory analyses metatextual relationships.
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Dec 13, 2023 08:51
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Watching Florencia en el Amazonas right now got me in the mood for some of that Latin American magical realism, what's the real heat? I'm going for some 100 years or love in the time of cholera or is there some b sides that I need to be checking out.
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Dec 13, 2023 21:16
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Gaius Marius posted:Watching Florencia en el Amazonas right now got me in the mood for some of that Latin American magical realism, what's the real heat? I'm going for some 100 years or love in the time of cholera or is there some b sides that I need to be checking out. Terra Nostra by Carlos Fuentes
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Dec 13, 2023 21:50
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mdemone posted:Terra Nostra by Carlos Fuentes
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Dec 14, 2023 06:30
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Gaius Marius posted:Watching Florencia en el Amazonas right now got me in the mood for some of that Latin American magical realism, what's the real heat? I'm going for some 100 years or love in the time of cholera or is there some b sides that I need to be checking out. Everything else by Marquez is better. Also check out Alejo Carpentier.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:07
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Gaius Marius posted:Watching Florencia en el Amazonas right now got me in the mood for some of that Latin American magical realism, what's the real heat? I'm going for some 100 years or love in the time of cholera or is there some b sides that I need to be checking out. love in the time of cholera is only just barely "magical realism," if you're particularly interested in that as a, whatever, movement or style then it's not the place to go. I don't know how much stock I put in it as a subgenre, maybe the connections would be more obvious if I could read the seminal spanish and portuguese novels in the originals but e.g. 100 years and blindness and like water for chocolate aren't very similar books in any way other than "from latin america" and "have a fantastical conceit"
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Dec 14, 2023 23:32
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Everything else by Marquez is better. Autumn of the Patriarch is also extremely good, but, like, Memories of My Melancholy Whores is better than Love in the Time of Cholera? Really??
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Dec 15, 2023 12:32
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Lobster Henry posted:Autumn of the Patriarch is also extremely good, but, like, Memories of My Melancholy Whores is better than Love in the Time of Cholera? Really?? Oh I didn't spot that, just 100 Different Buendias.
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Dec 15, 2023 12:37
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Nevertheless, those are fighting words. Every Buendia is precious to me and unique. I love the book and certainly don’t find it totally impossible to keep track of who’s who past, like, the second generation
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Dec 15, 2023 13:37
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DeimosRising posted:love in the time of cholera is only just barely "magical realism," if you're particularly interested in that as a, whatever, movement or style then it's not the place to go. I don't know how much stock I put in it as a subgenre, maybe the connections would be more obvious if I could read the seminal spanish and portuguese novels in the originals but e.g. 100 years and blindness and like water for chocolate aren't very similar books in any way other than "from latin america" and "have a fantastical conceit" I mostly listed it because it's one of the two titles I can name that are associated with the genre and it was an inspiration for the Opera. I don't think it's any less useful than any other genre descriptor. There's always gonna be edge cases and debatable points but being able to say if you liked X there's a higher percentage chance you'll like Y is still useful.
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Dec 16, 2023 02:12
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Picked up Terra Nostra, curious is 2666 also considered in the genre? I do have a copy of that laying around.
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Dec 16, 2023 02:13
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Gaius Marius posted:Picked up Terra Nostra, curious is 2666 also considered in the genre? I do have a copy of that laying around. Oh lord no There ain't nothin magic about that
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Dec 16, 2023 02:15
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Really, I'd heard it compared to Pynchon who, especially in ATD, is very magical realism adjacent at least.
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Dec 16, 2023 02:31
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Gaius Marius posted:Really, I'd heard it compared to Pynchon who, especially in ATD, is very magical realism adjacent at least. Bolaño in 2666, to Pynchon? No that doesn't make any sense Did we cross wires? Fuentes is magical realism and very Pynchon
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Dec 16, 2023 02:47
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Nonlinear storytelling predates the Renaissance, I'm not gonna have anybody Kramering into the thread saying 2666 is the same as what Pynchon did
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Dec 16, 2023 02:51
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I think the person I talked to was making the comparison in that the disunity in plot as reflection of Mexican society and how the previous generation presage the current one, the same way the corporate vultures picking over Germany's corpse and the odd balls who inhabit the zone are reflections of the 60's US counterculture and their hidden, but complicit relationship with the institutions of power.
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Dec 16, 2023 02:59
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it’s not really magical realist per se, since the book is from the 1860s or so, but The posthumous memoirs of Bras Cubas is definitely worth a read. the narrator is the ghost of the main character detailing his life
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Dec 16, 2023 09:26
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dropping Murakami's Norwegian Wood, this sucks lol. i don't know if this is his fault or jay rubin's but the prose is weak rear end poo poo. regardless the story's not really much a standout coming of age one. protagonist is a cool guy babe magnet who has sex with lots of girls but knows it's meaningless. he doesn't really have anything interesting to say when he isn't fuckin
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Dec 16, 2023 17:14
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That's every murakami
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a post once described him as the 'reddit of literature' and i am now inclined to believe it
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Dec 16, 2023 17:28
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the first Murakami you read is always gonna be the best because they're all the same, so if you don't like it then yeah you're done I like Kafka on the Shore because I read it at a formative moment, but as a result I couldn't bear the rest
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Dec 16, 2023 19:44
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mine was the trilogy of the rat
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Dec 16, 2023 23:36
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https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/161271-the-pure-present-is-an-ungraspable-advance-of-the-past I've always felt like this is the quintessential Murakami quote. If you like it, you will love Murakami. NSFW.
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Terra Nostra is really good so far. Knew I was in for some good poo poo when he dropped a reference to Resnais. Can't say I'm picking up even half the references that are being made but am pretty glad that the work isn't end noted to hell, it was cute in IJ but by the end I was just exhausted. Not to mention it made me lose my place in the e-reader a dozen times. Actually at first glance the novel I find it most similar to is Decay of the Angel by Mishima, although our protagonist lacks the abject horror slash sexual fetishization of the destruction inherent to modernity. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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Dec 18, 2023 04:29
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SimonChris posted:https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/161271-the-pure-present-is-an-ungraspable-advance-of-the-past lol
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derp posted:She thought of Ayumi Nakano, the lonely policewoman who, one August night, wound up in a hotel room in Shibuya, handcuffed, strangled with a bathrobe belt. A troubled young woman walking toward the abyss of destruction. She had had beautiful breasts as well. Aomame mourned the deaths of these two friends deeply. It saddened her to think that these women were forever gone from the world. And she mourned their lovely breasts—breasts that had vanished without a trace.
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otoh Big Anime Fan Here posted:Haruki Murakami: "Transparency Goat Hotel Story"- when middle aged writer Maruki Hurakami's cat gets lost inside a description of what al dente pasta means, it's up to some women who curiously want to have sex with him, as well as a sexy lolita who he is just friends with, no big deal, to solve the case of which band from the 70s stole all the Cutty Sark off a secret truck from another dimension. (Nominated for the 2015 Nobel Prize in literature)
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Gaius Marius posted:Terra Nostra is really good so far. Knew I was in for some good poo poo when he dropped a reference to Resnais. Can't say I'm picking up even half the references that are being made.... Just power through, if there's anyone who is getting more than half the references then they probably have several related degrees.
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