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There's about 80 abstentions (from both sides) so the question will be what Sunak gives the far right and whether that'll put off the more centrist Tories. But again it'll go to the Lords and they're going to eviscerate it. Sunak is going to spend a lot of January (and possibly February) going through committee, then ping pong with the Lords. It's still unlikely it goes through before the election.
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Dec 12, 2023 20:39
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When's the latest he realistically calls an election?
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Dec 12, 2023 20:42
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NotJustANumber99 posted:When's the latest he realistically calls an election? Oh it's actually January 2025. I had November 24 in my head for some reason.
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Dec 12, 2023 20:43
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Ok that's ages, I'll be dead by then. Is the received wisdom that Tories call elections for the summer still in effect?
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Dec 12, 2023 20:49
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So the ball has been kicked into the long grass until after the festivities 
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Dec 12, 2023 20:52
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NotJustANumber99 posted:When's the latest he realistically calls an election? What's the minimum time he can call an election in? Might as well inconvenience everyone and have polling day on Dec 27th
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Dec 12, 2023 20:52
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Ok that's ages, I'll be dead by then. As he's got a big longer than I thought he did in my head, he'll probably wait until this bill is passed and then campaign on it.
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Dec 12, 2023 20:53
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https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1734659145368825911 38 lol 
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Dec 12, 2023 21:05
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Ok that's ages, I'll be dead by then. Hopefully you'll have put the finishing touches on your Maus-L-eum by then
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Dec 12, 2023 21:10
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Is the received wisdom that Tories call elections for the summer still in effect? It was until 2019. Generally, if there's a chance Tory (elderly) voters will be slipping on icy patches and be unable to get to the polling stations, it's unlikely the Tories will call an election.
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Dec 12, 2023 21:30
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There was a theory at the time that the 2019 election was timed so that students would likely register at their uni address, but be home over xmas at the actual election. No idea if this is backed up by after-the fact analysis, but then as 99 pointed out I'm poo poo at excel.
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Dec 12, 2023 21:41
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Still blows my mind that we have a bloke called Drax in parliament
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Dec 12, 2023 21:57
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Don't we still have Baroness Blood somewhere?
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Dec 12, 2023 21:59
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OwlFancier posted:Don't we still have Baroness Blood somewhere? Not since just over a year ago, no.
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Dec 12, 2023 22:03
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Ms Adequate posted:Still blows my mind that we have a bloke called Drax in parliament Even weirder, he's actually the grandson of the Drax who Ian Fleming named the Bond villain after, and their actual aristocratic name is Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax.
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Dec 12, 2023 22:03
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Soylent Yellow posted:Not since just over a year ago, no. Was it the queens pagan title? Thought she was just a lich
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Dec 12, 2023 22:18
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grobbo posted:Even weirder, he's actually the grandson of the Drax who Ian Fleming named the Bond villain after, and their actual aristocratic name is Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax. And “Blowers” the cricket commentator was the son of whom Blofeld was named after. I actually took him back to Eton a few years back to give a lecture to the pupils.
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Dec 12, 2023 22:33
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grobbo posted:Even weirder, he's actually the grandson of the Drax who Ian Fleming named the Bond villain after, and their actual aristocratic name is Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax. I seem to remember theyre made of slaves too
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Dec 12, 2023 22:33
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Soylent Yellow posted:Not since just over a year ago, no. Oh huh and she actually seemed like a pretty good person? Rare in the Lords.
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Dec 12, 2023 22:53
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Figures that the nicest peer would be called Lord Bonecrusher-Death-Deth-Satan, or similar.
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Dec 12, 2023 23:00
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sebzilla posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/11/keir-starmer-promises-red-wall-voters-the-basics-of-government-done-better christ that's depressing
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Dec 13, 2023 00:20
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Labour: "Austerity, but we'll kill the poor more efficiently"
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Dec 13, 2023 00:21
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fuctifino posted:Labour: "Austerity, but we'll kill the poor more efficiently" The "harm reduction" conversations are going to be extra funny this election.
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Dec 13, 2023 00:39
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Not as bad as the American discourse though
Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Dec 13, 2023 |
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Dec 13, 2023 00:42
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the general election 
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Dec 13, 2023 00:45
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Not Just A Number 99% Hitler
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Dec 13, 2023 00:46
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Promising you will be no better or different than the other team is a pretty unique strategy, at least. Normally they would at least SAY they're going to do good things and then we'd have to argue about whether they're telling the truth and whether the differences are big enough if so. Not this time baybee!
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Dec 13, 2023 00:47
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kecske posted:the general election 
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Dec 13, 2023 00:47
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Its actually really sensible. Like when someone asks you to guess how many jellybeans are in a jar and your only competition says i dunno 450. You either guess 449 or 451, not some stupid way lower or higher number. You only have to beat them by one
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Dec 13, 2023 00:53
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Not as bad as the American discourse though Hell, that'd be the problem with the Hitler case too (as well as the problem of having two Hitlers, who the gently caress is making all these Hitlers?) Hitler #1 wants to pogrom all the Jews (a requirement) and all of the Roma but is okay with Sorbs. Hitler #2 wants to pogrom all the Jews and all of the Sorbs but is okay with Roma. Do you have to do a census on that? Should Jews really spend time weighing up whether to vote for either? This is basically just like the whole 'repugnant conclusion' objection to strictly qualitative utilitarian justifications but also is a sociological issue in that someone like Adorno would probably focus more importantly on why there's all these Hitlers running for office.
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Dec 13, 2023 00:54
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Ms Adequate posted:Promising you will be no better or different than the other team is a pretty unique strategy, at least. Normally they would at least SAY they're going to do good things and then we'd have to argue about whether they're telling the truth and whether the differences are big enough if so. Not this time baybee! It's just the business school bit about why the two hardware stores end up next door to each other on the high street.
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Dec 13, 2023 00:56
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Its actually really sensible. Like when someone asks you to guess how many jellybeans are in a jar and your only competition says i dunno 450. You either guess 449 or 451, not some stupid way lower or higher number. You only have to beat them by one Thanks, now my eye is twitching uncontrollably.
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Dec 13, 2023 00:57
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Banned from the village jellybean count for guessing 'Hitler'
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Dec 13, 2023 00:59
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Guavanaut posted:The problem here is which is the 1% less bad out of the 'less competent tory racists (who also love some authoritarianism)' and the 'more competent labour authoritarians (who also love some racism)'. Liberals can no longer perceive the 3rd or 4th options, or even more unthinkable, the 5th option. They can only vote between two hitlers.
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Dec 13, 2023 01:01
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Liberals can no longer perceive the 3rd or 4th options, or even more unthinkable, the 5th option. They can only vote between two hitlers. Hardly fair, plenty of them can perceive the Lib Dems!
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Dec 13, 2023 01:31
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I think I read a Ligotti short story about that.
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Dec 13, 2023 01:42
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Multi-Hitler drifting
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Dec 13, 2023 02:04
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Guavanaut posted:I think I read a Ligotti short story about that. “If truth is what you seek, then the examined life will only take you on a long ride to the limits of solitude and leave you by the side of the road with your truth and nothing else.” ― Thomas Ligotti , The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
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Dec 13, 2023 02:26
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just basically this:
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Dec 13, 2023 05:44
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"UK economy shrinks unexpectedly as households feel squeeze GDP fell by 0.3% in October as Bank of England prepares to keep interest rates on hold" https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/13/uk-economy-shrinks-unexpectedly-as-households-feel-squeeze There are people who get paid 150k as analysts for this poo poo. What the gently caress do you mean unexpectedly?
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