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thatbastardken posted:yeah I don't know why Australia bought the f18 instead of the f15, probably bribery. Rumour goes Indonesia arked up about the f15. As it meant Jakarta was striking distance for Australia. The f18 doesn't have that range laden. Probably was just cost.
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Gaius Marius posted:Canada's situation is far more baffling. They killed their own domestic fighter industry, bought American planes and now have spent decades flying obsolete planes while loving up any attempt to upgrade their arsenal. It's easier to make sense of when you parse canada 1. Don't need any military, so results don't matter and 2. meaning there's no consequences to use it for corruption or, 3. election promises to undo/redo/cut expensive purchases because the other party in the two party system is wrong and stupid and wastes your money. The day their politicians understand you only need to say 3. without doing it is the day everything starts working. It's also the day a friend stops getting paid to redo it, so
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Platystemon posted:Canada is a banana republic. Bananas in Canada? Climate change is happening faster than we could have predicted.
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Inceltown posted:Bananas in Canada? In fact, they're coming down the stairs!
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Canana Republic
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thatbastardken posted:yeah I don't know why Australia bought the f18 instead of the f15, probably bribery. I don't honestly know why you would buy the f-15 if you could get an f-18, though, and you only have the budget for one type of fighter. The hornet is multi-role, the eagle is dedicated air superiority or dedicated strike, depending on which version you buy. The choice of hornets makes sense to me, they can do everything well enough (and, tbh, better than the f-16 in all cases but maybe dogfighting and nobody is or should be dogfighting any more)
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Birds are way cooler than bugs though
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You can get a modern 15 from Boeing that does both just fine. It's maintenance and everything associated with getting them to the job that would make one more practical than the other. Practical translates as budget and amount of support staff in contemporary Australian, more than job performance
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maybeadracula posted:Canana Republic That's an excellent name for a weed strain.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:You can get a modern 15 from Boeing that does both just fine. It's maintenance and everything associated with getting them to the job that would make one more practical than the other. Practical translates as budget and amount of support staff in contemporary Australian, more than job performance In 1988, though? That's around when the RAAF started getting hornets.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Birds are way cooler than bugs though Birds are cooler than bugs
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sebmojo posted:Birds are cooler than bugs The California Supreme Court told me so.
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Hyperlynx posted:In 1988, though? That's around when the RAAF started getting hornets. Nah, but in the last decade when you decided if you'd get 18E's but are ending up with 35's
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Nah, but in the last decade when you decided if you'd get 18E's but are ending up with 35's Also seems like a sensible decision to me. The criticism of the F-35 is vastly overblown, and I've heard accounts from pilots raving about how good it is. We've already got some super hornets, anyway.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Birds are bugs. I think you're thinking of bats.
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Hyperlynx posted:We've already got some super hornets, anyway. Like those giant japanese ones?
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Captain Splendid posted:Also true of the F-14. The F-14 was the coolest it just wasn't a very good plane by most accounts. Some say the same for the A-10. My childhood dream planes are/were rubbish? Meanwhile the B-52 keeps rolling along.
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Powered Descent posted:I think you're thinking of bats.  Are you implying that bats aren't birds? What the hell are you trolling me?
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3D Megadoodoo posted:
bats are real
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Grassy Knowles posted:bats are real Like zero, bats are both real and imaginary. This is provable with a simple test: can you kick a bat in the nuts? yes, so it must be real. can you imagine kicking a bat in the nuts? yes, so it must be imaginary. Ipso facto benedicto cucumbo, QED.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Like zero, bats are both real and imaginary. This is provable with a simple test: can you kick a bat in the nuts? yes, so it must be real. can you imagine kicking a bat in the nuts? yes, so it must be imaginary. Ipso facto benedicto cucumbo, QED. that's batty
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thatbastardken posted:yeah I don't know why Australia bought the f18 instead of the f15, probably bribery. I was a kid in the air cadets* back when Australia was negotiating to buy the F18. We'd spend a week at RAAF bases once or twice a year and, at least according to the guys we talked to about it, it was all about massively upgrading and modernising all the behind the scenes poo poo**. Not just manufacturing and assembly, but all the computers and proceedures and everything else which went into fielding an, at the time, state of the art fighter. Because, before that, most of the RAAF stuff was from the 70s, or earlier. * like scouts, but you get to learn about all about flight and aeroplanes. And went 'bivouacking' instead of camping. ** and keeping the US happy. Which is 99% of our military policy.
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Hyperlynx posted:Also seems like a sensible decision to me. The criticism of the F-35 is vastly overblown, and I've heard accounts from pilots raving about how good it is. We've already got some super hornets, anyway. The F35 had development hell. The actual plane is bonkers good. Also, every time I go to an air show or museum or whatever I re-realize how big military planes are compared to passenger planes. 737-nearly 200 people plus cargo F-35-1 guy But it has 1/3 the wingspan (and a shockingly short wingspan by fighter standards at that) and half the length. Seems like I’m my kind it should be way smaller not just a lil bit.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The F35 had development hell. The actual plane is bonkers good. The fun thing about that is you don't even need to see one up close. They literally have a 'human for scale' feature in the form of the cockpit, where you can see the pilot. But somehow the proportions of everything just make us think its so much smaller. Also the size is mostly to do with payloads. The Embraer ERJ145 carries 50 people with a rated payload of about 12,755lbs. Compare that to the F35, which carries 1 person but has a (reported) payload capacity of... 18,000lbs. If jets still just needed small air-to-air rockets and guns they could be so much smaller, but because they've basically taken over for bombers in most situations they've ballooned in size to be able to lug around giant bombs.
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Are you all just really into military hardware or is everyone expected to know so much detail about the various war machines? To me, every fighter jet is an F16 and everything else is just generically a bomber, unless it's black, then it's a stealth bomber.
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some people probably just remember things they've read or heard naturally. it's wild
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I play a lot of Ace Combat
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there may be a thread for this specifically, but I listen to a lot of music that uses samples and it's always nice to find a sample in the wild. in this case the original is very good because it's Labi Siffre I heard it in a Bonobo remix of a song by someone named Jon Kennedy, but the best part of the song is Siffre's line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDj1Qb6baVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMMP-T3EF8s
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Ommin posted:Are you all just really into military hardware or is everyone expected to know so much detail about the various war machines? To me, every fighter jet is an F16 and everything else is just generically a bomber, unless it's black, then it's a stealth bomber. It's like recognising cars or hockey players or celebrities. Some are less resistant to the siren's call than others. It's fine to be "that car is yellow and I'm going to buy one that is blue, I think".
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I get it, and I'm sure there's some subject where I would be the same. I was just genuinely impressed with the specific knowledge being displayed in the "Thing you just realized" thread. I was not meaning to offend.
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None taken. All talk about machines is inherhently some cringe
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Ommin posted:Are you all just really into military hardware Kinda, yeah. Planes are cool. I've got my favourite plane, which I think is the coolest, even though I know it's really not the best any more - the F-16.  I play it badly in a flight sim, with replica controls and everything. My realisation came about because I thought there was this thing it can do that no other planes can, because the USAF uses it to do this thing. And then I learned that nope the F/A-18 can do that too, it really can do everything, it's just that the USAF doesn't have any. I found out via the flight sim stuff, looking at what weapons the F/A-18 can carry. You buy different planes separately, and I don't have the F/A-18. So it's realising "drat, this is actually way better than my favourite plane". Not as cool looking though  And, I mean, I'm already invested with the replica controls
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WinWing? That's respectable dollar amounts of dedication if so
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Ommin posted:I get it, and I'm sure there's some subject where I would be the same. I was just genuinely impressed with the specific knowledge being displayed in the "Thing you just realized" thread. I was not meaning to offend. If it helps I have a private pilots license and work on planes for a living, the 737 specifically too until recently Never worked on an F35 that’s just part of being a nerd combined with already being primed to memorize this crap
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:WinWing? That's respectable dollar amounts of dedication if so Yup. Though they were half price, which happens to be the same price as Thrustmaster.
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This is the good stuff. Thanks for sharing. I love niche hobbies and the people that invest in them. It may not be my thing, but I admire the dedication.
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