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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I rest easy with the knowledge that Europe is completely incapable of producing weaponry in any significant amounts.

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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Germany, 1945: Paintakingly making new tanks by hand and fiddling with it to make it perfect.

Germany, 2045: Paintakingly making new cruise missiles by hand and fiddling with it to make it perfect.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique


This seems... less than ideal.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

capital getting nervous about elections again.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Do the law force US NGOs to disclose all the money they spend in europe to undermine their countries interests? No? Oh

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

a hedged garden

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

How in the gently caress do 100,000 Ukrainians even fit inside Ireland ?

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Al-Saqr posted:

the russians are announcing big gains in Zhaparozhia is there any confirmation of size and scope?

Last I had seen the only notable advances made in the Zaporizhzhia region was that Ukraine had withdraw basically all of their excess units from the Robotyne / Verbove section of the front (where they had been pushing up until about a month ago) to send them off to Avdiivka, so Russia had taken advantage of the situation to re-claim territory that had been lost in the Ukrainian counter-offensive.. the last update I've seen is that Russia may be encroaching on the southern boundary of Robotyne itself.. TBH Zaporizhzhia was/is probably the least active Russian front over the last few weeks.

The Russians seem to be up to several things at the moment:

1. There's a renewed push starting yesterday to expel the Ukrainian marines from the village of Kyrnky in the Kherson region (the ill-fated left bank foothold which Ukraine has held for a couple months now).

2. In the Donetsk region, Russia is in the process of clearing out remaining pockets of Ukrainian resistance in Mariinka (there have been some surrender videos and de-mining activities going on). To the south of Mariinka the Russians are heavily bombing Novomykhailivka (apparently another fortress town) and threatening to advance on it from two or three different directions. The Ukrainian commentator fears are that if Russia can get Mariinka locked down they could roll south through Novomykhailivka and Kostyantynivka and end up in Vuhledar from the north, securing a railway that runs from the south to Donetsky and shortening their logistics.

3. Also in the Donetsk region (on the other side of the city) the biggest Russian offensive has been going on from 3 different directions against Avdiivka. Ukraine has reportedly made up to 40,000 soldiers availabe to defend the city and the surrounding areas, as Zelenskyy has determined that Avdiivka must be held at all costs due to it's political significance as a "knife" at Russia's throat on the doorstep to Donetsk and it's status as a fortress that has held out since 2014 against every Russian attack. Most recent updates are that Russia has broken through the defense lines on the southern boundary of the city from the industrial suburbs and started advancing down one of the residential streets in the south end of Avdiivka itself. There is also heavy fighting going on pretty much every day to the north around a huge chemical plant and along the Ukrainian supply lines.

4. Around Bakhmut the Russians are also pushing in three directions and making their biggest gains in this region. They have taken the commanding hills to the north of Kliischiivka to the west of Bakhmut and will likely force the Ukrainians out of that town as a result as well as Andriivka to the south of that. To the north of Bakhmut the Russians have re-captured all of the territory which the Ukrainians took during their sumemr counter-offensive - their positions now match or exceed the limits of the push that Wagner made in the battle of Bakhmut, and Ukrainian defenses here seem to be really struggling to hold together. To the north of Bakhmut the Russians are moving in the direction of Si'versk from Soledar and are making some progress in this direction too

5. Finally in the northern front area things have been pretty quiet but in the last couple days the Russians made quite a large advance through this heavily forested region southwest of Kreminna, moving forward as much as 2 or 3 kilometers.. which i grant you is not a huge amount of distance in Ukraine but it is notable for being very large for the type of terrain and defenses the Russians were advancing through - the Kreminna woods are some of the most heavily fortified ground in Ukraine in combination with being largely inaccessible to vehicles and both sides have been struggling to do anything in the region for well over a year now, so a sudden announcement of an advance that basically cut through more territory in a day than either side has picked up in over a year caught people's attention.

I will say though the disclaimer is that Ukraine is known to have been withdrawing troops from all over the place to try and re-enforce Avdiivka and stop the Russian push on that town and in combination Zelenskyy has also recently announced a shift to a more defensive posture for the Ukrainian army - which could include falling back from their current positions to more favorable land. The fact of the Russians gobbling up small pieces of land here and there across the front does not necessarily indicate successful offensive actions, it could just be that the Russians are taking advantage of the situation where Ukraine has less people in these locations and those people are making the decision to fall back to better ground rather than fight.

Starsfan has issued a correction as of 19:58 on Dec 12, 2023

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

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Politico.eu
March 9, 2023

Georgia’s government abandons Putin-style bill that triggered huge protests

The contentious legislation would have required all organizations that receive more than 20 percent of their funding from abroad to register as foreign agents.

The Georgian law was widely viewed as inspired by Vladimir Putin’s regime in Moscow: In 2012, the Russian president signed off on legislation tightening controls on civil rights groups funded from abroad, which was seen as an attempt to crack down on dissent; last June, the Duma, Russia’s lower house of parliament, approved another bill imposing draconian restrictions on individuals and organizations “under foreign influence.”

The EU’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, had been critical of the Georgian bill, which he called “a very bad development for Georgia and its people,” and labeled it “incompatible with EU values and standards.” In a statement, Borrell said that if the bill was adopted, it “may have serious repercussions on our relations.”
:thunk:

Jon Pod Van Damm has issued a correction as of 20:02 on Dec 12, 2023

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Please contextualize this information with the fact that before the war Robotyne had a population of 500 people, and after months of fighting its now more like the collection of burned out sheds where Robotyne once stood. 'Encroaching on the southern borders of Robotyne' sounds way more impressive than 'advanced 100m over some empty fields' but it means the same thing.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Nix Panicus posted:

Please contextualize this information with the fact that before the war Robotyne had a population of 500 people, and after months of fighting its now more like the collection of burned out sheds where Robotyne once stood. 'Encroaching on the southern borders of Robotyne' sounds way more impressive than 'advanced 100m over some empty fields' but it means the same thing.

Yeah maybe that got lost in my post but I was trying to convey to Al-Saqr that contrary to what he had heard I didn't think the advance in the area of Robotyne was anything particularly significant.

I think all of these battles have to be contextualized in that they all involve like a couple hundred guys at most (and more often numbering only a couple dozen) fighting for a hill or a forest belt. None of this stuff is going to produce huge changes on the map besides if the Russians can choke off Avdiivka I guess, and even Avdiivka is only a town with a pre-war population of 50,000.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Any time theres word of an advance, on either side, the best thing to do is wait a week and see if it panned out. Most 'advances' in this war are on the order of an afternoon walk, and will get rolled back the next time someone draws the map. Its the result of zooming in too closely on a largely static front out of a need to continuously generate headlines and engagement

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

lol

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Remember: pro-EU protesters in Georiga were throwing molotov cocktails at police and trying to storm Georgia's parliament building to prevent passage of that law. Not even a year later and the EU is going to pass a law that does the same exact thing.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

VoicesCanBe posted:

Remember: pro-EU protesters in Georiga were throwing molotov cocktails at police and trying to storm Georgia's parliament building to prevent passage of that law. Not even a year later and the EU is going to pass a law that does the same exact thing.

The EU law almost certainly does not apply to USAID, the endowment for democracy etc

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

cant wait to see trump humiliate this guy

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

We are, and will remain, an open society. But

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


LOL

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

lol

https://i.imgur.com/eHDuTnE.mp4

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Danann posted:

Germany, 1945: Paintakingly making new tanks by hand and fiddling with it to make it perfect.

Germany, 2045: Paintakingly making new cruise missiles by hand and fiddling with it to make it perfect.

"look we won since we can always produce more ammo than china has shipyards"

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Narrator: "They could not produce more ammo than china had shipyards"

dk2m
May 6, 2009

Frosted Flake posted:

The EU law almost certainly does not apply to USAID, the endowment for democracy etc

I’m curious if there’s ever been studies done on the NGO and dirty finance links. One of the ways that we sell “democratic reforms” is by allowing key allies within foreign governments to have access to the British led offshore financial network, where people can move their dirty foreign denominated money into tax havens. the pandora papers proved a lot of the mechanisms in how this worked technically, but what I suspect is that the NGOs help the initial knowledge transfer, as a lot of money being sucked into our system is from cartels and gangsters - unsophisticated people for the most part.

it seems to me a great way to instill loyalty for key contacts in foreign governments, as once they are dependent on the offshore structure, we can cut off their resources by sanctioning them at any point. Zelensky is also personally in the pandora papers but I’ve never understood how exactly long time communists and socialists got the knowledge to create very sophisticated financial trickery without some sort of outside help

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

WoodrowSkillson posted:

I was being flippant and calling wagner nazis the same way people call blackwater nazis or Israeli or US troops nazis. The quoted post is a far more nuanced and correct take of the actual situation.

Israel does have a genocidal blood and soil ideology though

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

US troops can't be nazis, they don't even know the word socialism.

They're fascists.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


dk2m posted:

I’m curious if there’s ever been studies done on the NGO and dirty finance links. One of the ways that we sell “democratic reforms” is by allowing key allies within foreign governments to have access to the British led offshore financial network, where people can move their dirty foreign denominated money into tax havens. the pandora papers proved a lot of the mechanisms in how this worked technically, but what I suspect is that the NGOs help the initial knowledge transfer, as a lot of money being sucked into our system is from cartels and gangsters - unsophisticated people for the most part.

it seems to me a great way to instill loyalty for key contacts in foreign governments, as once they are dependent on the offshore structure, we can cut off their resources by sanctioning them at any point. Zelensky is also personally in the pandora papers but I’ve never understood how exactly long time communists and socialists got the knowledge to create very sophisticated financial trickery without some sort of outside help

It doesn't hold together through dark sorcery, it holds together through factional affiliation, the tricks can be observed from outside or obtained merely by asking politely, they only work if some guy at Deutsche Bank has notes in his ERP regarding the account that state that all this activity is monitored by a higher authority and that all is fine, don't ask questions.

SIGSEGV has issued a correction as of 01:12 on Dec 13, 2023

RedSky
Oct 30, 2023

Egg Moron posted:

How in the gently caress do 100,000 Ukrainians even fit inside Ireland ?

Not very well. Filled a bunch of post COVID gaps in the labour market and made very many hotel owners and landlords very happy.

But it's another stress factor on top of Ireland's already dysfunctional housing market. Hence the right wing agitation fostered by government mismanagement/enabling.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

I hadnt thought about that. I wonder to what extent the post COVID economy in Europe relies on displaced Ukrainians.

Or to what extent we even think of it as 'post COVID' to begin with because Ukrainians have been filling in

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
U.S. intelligence assesses Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 casualties - source

quote:

WASHINGTON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - A declassified U.S. intelligence report assessed that the Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 dead and injured troops, or nearly 90% of the personnel it had when the conflict began, a source familiar with the intelligence said on Tuesday.

The report also assessed that Moscow's losses in personnel and armored vehicles to Ukraine's military have set back Russia’s military modernization by 18 years, the source said.

The Russian embassy and the Russian defense ministry did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Russian officials have said Western estimates of Russian death tolls in the war are vastly exaggerated and almost always underestimate Ukrainian losses - which Russian officials say are vast.

The source spoke as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy made a last-ditch plea to U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill to keep U.S. military aid flowing to Ukraine, first meeting behind closed doors with U.S. senators.

The source said the recently declassified U.S. intelligence report assessed that Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 with 360,000 personnel.

Since then, the report found, 315,000 Russian troops, or about 87% of the total with which it started the war, have been killed or injured, the source said.

The source said those losses are the reason Russia has been forced to loosen recruitment standards and draft convicts and older civilians to deploy in Ukraine.

"The scale of losses has forced Russia to take extraordinary measures to sustain its ability to fight. Russia declared a partial mobilization of 300,000 personnel in late 2022, and has relaxed standards to allow recruitment of convicts and older civilians," the assessment said, according to the source.

The Russian army has been left with 1,300 armored vehicles on the battlefield and is having to bolster those forces with T62 tanks produced in the 1970s, the source said.

Kyiv treats its losses as a state secret and officials say disclosing the figure could harm its war effort. A New York Times report in August cited U.S. officials as putting the Ukrainian death toll at close to 70,000.

Writing in the Ukrainian journal Tyzhden, historian Yaroslav Tynchenko and volunteer Herman Shapovalenko last month said Shapovalenko's Book of Memory project had confirmed 24,500 Ukrainian combat and non-combat deaths using open sources.

The real figure was likely higher, they said.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
this basically wins the war right?

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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from the very trustable havana syndrome truthers

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

so like 60,000 - 80,000 dead out of that 315,000 if it is both dead and wounded?

could be, I think the independent tracking from Mediazona has the Russians with around that lower end estimate.. Russia themselves acknowledge around 35,000 last I checked

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Palladium posted:

from the very trustable havana syndrome truthers

Only the Cubans have advanced sonic microwave technology, and they have kept it under lock and key

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
200 million seems like a laughably small amount

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Nothus posted:

200 million seems like a laughably small amount

It isn't new funding, it's Biden spending some more out of the previously approved funds. Zelensky isn't getting poo poo out of this visit

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Nothus posted:

200 million seems like a laughably small amount

and remember that it's now acknowledged that like 90% of that total gets siphoned off in America and never actually makes it to Ukraine as tangible military assets.. so basically the Ukrainians are getting another package consisting of 1 million rounds of small arms ammo, some vests and first aid kits, and a dozen of those unarmored jeeps to drive around in.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Nothus posted:

200 million seems like a laughably small amount

What is that like a bakers dozen pallets of ammo and a coupon for two free corn dogs?

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Starsfan posted:

and remember that it's now acknowledged that like 90% of that total gets siphoned off in America and never actually makes it to Ukraine as tangible military assets.. so basically the Ukrainians are getting another package consisting of 1 million rounds of small arms ammo, some vests and first aid kits, and a dozen of those unarmored jeeps to drive around in.

im the six patrol cars (condition: unknown) the germans sent

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Palladium posted:

(condition: unknown)

oh, u know :biglips:

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

In Training posted:

It isn't new funding, it's Biden spending some more out of the previously approved funds. Zelensky isn't getting poo poo out of this visit

The news is blaming Republicans, but they're a shitshow trash fire of a party. Washington wants an off ramp.

Z man better keep one duffle bag full of clothes and another full of euros and gold bars ready to go

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Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Starsfan posted:

and remember that it's now acknowledged that like 90% of that total gets siphoned off in America and never actually makes it to Ukraine as tangible military assets.. so basically the Ukrainians are getting another package consisting of 1 million rounds of small arms ammo, some vests and first aid kits, and a dozen of those unarmored jeeps to drive around in.

i get $180m, you rando ukrainian get $1, so why aren't your entitled rear end out there getting blowing up by orcs to saving our beloved liberalism

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