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Count Thrashula posted:Hi thread, Godzilla '54 is one of my favorite movies, but then I watched Raids Again (ugh) and King of the Monsters '56 (ew) and lost steam. My secret shame is that I haven't seen any other 'zillas. See Minus One. It's maybe the closest to the original since the original.
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Raids Again has an interesting idea I'd really like to see a new movie revisit; a monster fight where you aren't rooting for either monster. Where the fight is just a disaster and you don't want one to win you just want it to end.
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Gripweed posted:Raids Again has an interesting idea I'd really like to see a new movie revisit; a monster fight where you aren't rooting for either monster. Where the fight is just a disaster and you don't want one to win you just want it to end. Isn't that basically just most of the Heisei and Millennium era films though?
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drrockso20 posted:Isn't that basically just most of the Heisei and Millennium era films though? Kinda? Godzilla’s definitely more of an antihero toward the end of the Heisei movies. In Millennium he’s usually a straight-up rear end in a top hat, but you often do root for the opposing monster(s) to kick his rear end. That’s at least true for GMK, Against, and Tokyo SOS. It’s been a while since I’ve seen Final Wars, but iirc he’s at least back to antihero status?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Kinda? Godzilla’s definitely more of an antihero toward the end of the Heisei movies. In Millennium he’s usually a straight-up rear end in a top hat, but you often do root for the opposing monster(s) to kick his rear end. That’s at least true for GMK, Against, and Tokyo SOS. It’s been a while since I’ve seen Final Wars, but iirc he’s at least back to antihero status? In Final Wars he's actively working against the aliens trying to conquer the earth.
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Godzilla vs Megaguirus he's not really a hero either. Megaguirus is like a cosmic bug horror for most of the movie while Godzilla is just being an rear end in a top hat. Then when the two finally face off the movie ditches horror trappings and gets a lot funnier.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Again though; I don’t think this is really an actual trend. G Minus One is strictly a “subtext is for cowards” remake of not Godzilla 1954 but Godzilla Raids Again, where the protagonists are ex-military (now working as commercial pilots in the fishing industry) who get pulled into fighting a Godzilla without the benefit of an Oxygen Destroyer. There’s an overriding (if, frankly, boring) focus on maintaining a ‘normal life’ in the aftermath of the previous film - which includes the protagonists courting women and going on dates and such. In the broad scope of the entire franchise, yeah there's romance, frequently quite dramatic and tragic romance. It features in Raids Again pretty prominently in a way that's not dissimilar to Minus One. But it hasn't been prominent since, I dunno, the Kiryu movies? It's been like 20 years, that's long enough for me to count it as at least a recent trend.
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Muscle Tracer posted:Spoiler for anyone who doesn't know any film monsters named Jean Jacket: If the answer is yes, does that mean Jaws is a kaiju film as well?
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garycoleisgod posted:If the answer is yes, does that mean Jaws is a kaiju film as well? You tell me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmbQmQ17X3E In more words, Jaws is absolutely a kaiju film. You've got a scientist who explains the nature of the monster, a leading man urging people of the danger, a bureaucratic authority figure who is willing to compromise safety for profit and a wacky side character who acts as both comic relief and an examination of the human psyche in desperate situations. You have multiple run ins with the monster where the characters react, plan and eventually coordinate to take it down in a big finale. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Dec 13, 2023 |
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garycoleisgod posted:If the answer is yes, does that mean Jaws is a kaiju film as well? Yes, and Godzilla Minus One is a Jaws movie. Genre an intricate tapestry.
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garycoleisgod posted:If the answer is yes, does that mean Jaws is a kaiju film as well? It's just a regular shark isn't it? That's Man vs Nature not Man vs Monster gently caress it, I'm posting my chart again: Mantis42 posted:This discussion inspired me to make a chart:
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garycoleisgod posted:If the answer is yes, does that mean Jaws is a kaiju film as well? I'd say no if mostly because the shark from Jaws is a fairly mundane animal aside from being unusually aggressive, Kaiju need to be more blatantly unnatural than that to qualify
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holefoods posted:Raids Again is very bad and I frequently forget it exists. the monster wrasslin is awesome and the methed out dub narration is a gift 
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Arc Hammer posted:Godzilla vs Megaguirus he's not really a hero either. Megaguirus is like a cosmic bug horror for most of the movie while Godzilla is just being an rear end in a top hat. Then when the two finally face off the movie ditches horror trappings and gets a lot funnier. sadly godzilla vs megaguirus is also just not very good, probably bottom 3 for me
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if we're counting american godzillas, my bottom three: vs spacegodzilla vs megaguirus kotm 2019
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Muscle Tracer posted:Spoiler for anyone who doesn't know any film monsters named Jean Jacket: garycoleisgod posted:If the answer is yes, does that mean Jaws is a kaiju film as well? Seeing it mentioned on the internet I notice Tokuzô Tanaka's The Whale God is considered a kaiju film so I would say absolutely 100% yes to both. Speaking of which, I have a few issues with that flick but holy poo poo does it have some visuals and is worth watching for folks who post in this thread. What an incredibly bleak film imo even if life is pretty normal for everyone in it outside of like a few main characters' fixation on the titular whale for various reasons. Their bullshit casts a pall over the entire village, almost apocalyptic tone at times and when there is action it has some real momentum. Also has the rare instance of Shintarô Katsu playing an absolute shitbag instead of Zatoichi. Anyway, what a flick      If you seek it out, it wasofficially released in English for the first time a few months ago under the title The Whale God, but I think IMDB and some other sites still call it "Killer Whale" which isn't really accurate. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Dec 13, 2023 |
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my youtube algorithm just has videos of any reviewers that have more than 1000 subs gushing over the movie and i'm just as entertained watching them all repeat how great the movie is. all the lines of "i can't believe I actually care about the human characters this much in this movie'
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is Gulliver a kaiju to the people of Lilliput
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GateOfD posted:is Gulliver a kaiju to the people of Lilliput Nah he's just a giant, not a giant monster.
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:sadly godzilla vs megaguirus is also just not very good, probably bottom 3 for me Despite being objectively kinda bad I still have a soft spot for Vs Megaguirus, in that it's basically the Millennium era equivalent of Vs Megalon. The fights are cool even if the CG is terrible in parts, and I dig the "action science" bits, reminds me of the Science Patrol guys from Ultraman.
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Gripweed posted:a monster fight where you aren't rooting for either monster. Where the fight is just a disaster and you don't want one to win you just want it to end. 
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Neo Rasa posted:Seeing it mentioned on the internet I notice Tokuzô Tanaka's The Whale God is considered a kaiju film so I would say absolutely 100% yes to both. So instead of being a Quaker, Ahab is a samurai? This looks sick af
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GateOfD posted:my youtube algorithm just has videos of any reviewers that have more than 1000 subs gushing over the movie Im not gonna pretend every godzilla movie has good human drama but at the very least Singular Point and Shin Godzilla are in recent memory and they should watch them imo
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Missingnoleader posted:Someone (Red Menace) made a version where the subtitle text (for people and vehicles) was just English but its the same sorta typeset as the original japanese one. Do you have a link to this? I can't find a current one. I have PMs if that helps.
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Neo Rasa posted:Seeing it mentioned on the internet I notice Tokuzô Tanaka's The Whale God is considered a kaiju film so I would say absolutely 100% yes to both. still waiting on my Blu-ray
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Gambit from the X-Men posted:still waiting on my Blu-ray I think SRS is sending them out in the next fortnight. I've had it on preorder for moooooonths
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Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:if we're counting american godzillas, my bottom three: I actually really liked KOTM as a fun mindless piece of entertainment. Like, it had awesome multi-monster brawls, and that's always fun. Also, is Jaws a Strand 
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I, Butthole posted:I think SRS is sending them out in the next fortnight. I've had it on preorder for moooooonths lol yeah, they're saying late December. excited
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drrockso20 posted:Isn't that basically just most of the Heisei and Millennium era films though? No and Yes.
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ET is a Kaiju.
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ET is gross. A weird little turd on legs. I hated him as a child and I hate him now.
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Mantis42 posted:ET is gross. A weird little turd on legs. I hated him as a child and I hate him now. Yeah, there's something about ETs design that I find physically repulsive.
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drrockso20 posted:I'd say no if mostly because the shark from Jaws is a fairly mundane animal aside from being unusually aggressive, Kaiju need to be more blatantly unnatural than that to qualify So maybe Deep Blue Sea?
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Minus one is quite good but I made the mistake or watching the '54 Godzilla, Shin Godzilla, and Godzilla vs Mothra in the days before going to see it which lessened its impact since all of those are slightly better. I was surprised at how American the film is in a very Oo-Rah! support are troops Micheal Bay sorta way.
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Is this game any good? Just saw an ad popup with Ultraman DLC. Also has Godzilla stuff from last year with Gigan, Destroyah, Kiryu and Godzilla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4O5YFFD_bE 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWMpfRJF5H4
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Yea it's alright. Fun little party game. Funny enough you see Gigabash at all the malls here in China. The little places inbetween shops where you can park your kids and let them play a game while you go get stuff always have several TVs with Gigabash. So they must be doing pretty well. Ultraman is one of the biggest kid friendly franchises here, too.
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FreudianSlippers posted:I was surprised at how American the film is in a very Oo-Rah! support are troops Micheal Bay sorta way. Huh. I didn't get that at all, just the opposite in fact. Pretty much the only references to America were negative - their bombing created Godzilla, and they refused to help clean up the problem they created. Even the Japanese military is basically a non-entity beyond the beginning of the film and the discussion of the Kamikaze stuff. The movie is much more concerned with the culture of WW2 Japan demanding the citizens sacrifice themselves to defend the nation. Yeah, a lot of the people involved in combating Godzilla were veterans, but they were specifically acting as civilians with no military support, not even shipboard guns. The military was portrayed as basically useless the whole film.
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Annath posted:
That's what feels so American about it. It's the brave mistreated soldiers taking care of the problem that the cowardly government bureaucrats can't solve by forming an anti-kaiju freikorps.
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Someone on r/Godzilla noticed that some of the buildings smashed in Minus One are the same as 54. :o
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Bip Roberts posted:ET is a Kaiju. No he's a Seijin, not a Kaiju. Also Godzilla is a Dai Kaiju, whereas something like Pigmon from Ultraman would be a Kaiju (it's all about the size). A werewolf would be a Kaijin.
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