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haveblue posted:Does the Capitol and its various security mechanisms count as "object"? If the object doesn't come from the Mall region of the District of Columbia it's just sparkling insurrection
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Can this man find a single, serious lawyer? https://twitter.com/rdeliason/status/1734933588452270317
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Dec 13, 2023 17:32
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A good number of the rioters are charged solely on this count, and the lower court record has been distinctly partisan thus far which is not promising given the Supreme Court. The language in question: quote:(c)Whoever corruptly— Fischer's claim, that Nichols backed, is that there's little reason for the majority of the statute to exist if "otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes" is meant as a catchall for any and all behavior towards that end, and that such a catchall is oddly placed given specificity that comes before and after. Also that Justice's reading would remain the same whether "otherwise" is there or not. It's not entirely meritless, even if deeply partisanly motivated. There are reasons to oppose construction and analysis that would substantially expand chargeable behavior if applied more widely to other laws. There is also a suspicion that if it stands, this'll be used against dissent from the left by future administrations of both parties. SCOTUS may also decide to use this to insert themselves on the questions of corrupt purpose and benefit, which would both be an overreach and a recipe for some of the most insane legal theorizing we've seen on the bench for a while. On the plus side, there's really no interpretation that can come from either front that spares Trump.
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Dec 13, 2023 17:39
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Tesseraction posted:Can this man find a single, serious lawyer? https://twitter.com/rdeliason/status/1734933588452270317 He already stiffed them all.
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Dec 13, 2023 17:43
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In before "If the Grinch suit don't fit...".
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Dec 13, 2023 17:59
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Tesseraction posted:Can this man find a single, serious lawyer? https://twitter.com/rdeliason/status/1734933588452270317 Does lawyering typically slow down during a large holiday? I would imagine that would be the downside of being a high priced lawyer, but the flip side is overtime and bonuses for dealing with this.
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Dec 13, 2023 18:35
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Donkringel posted:Does lawyering typically slow down during a large holiday? I would imagine that would be the downside of being a high priced lawyer, but the flip side is overtime and bonuses for dealing with this. Lmao no. There are lawyers/partners at AM100 firms that work at some level 365 days a year.
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Dec 13, 2023 19:08
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Donkringel posted:Does lawyering typically slow down during a large holiday? I would imagine that would be the downside of being a high priced lawyer, but the flip side is overtime and bonuses for dealing with this. Like anything else in Trumpland the answer exists in a quantum superposition and only becomes resolved one way or another the instant the answer is needed to make things better for Trump. Immediately after that the answer is then unobserved again and becomes unknowable until the next time he needs it.
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Dec 13, 2023 19:10
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Donkringel posted:Does lawyering typically slow down during a large holiday? I would imagine that would be the downside of being a high priced lawyer, but the flip side is overtime and bonuses for dealing with this. Zotix is right. If anything, you get a really bad crunch during the holidays because everybody else in the world is telling their lawyers to get stuff done before holiday breaks or before year end.
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Dec 13, 2023 19:13
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Paracaidas posted:A good number of the rioters are charged solely on this count, and the lower court record has been distinctly partisan thus far which is not promising given the Supreme Court. What is the specificity that comes after? I don't know the history of the law but I could see it as a law originally enacted in the narrow sense, and later amended to be expanded so as to capture activities not accounted for, and in doing so just saying "eh gently caress it just hoover up everything" rather than having to constantly add items.
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Dec 13, 2023 19:38
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Thanks for the info on holiday lawyer work folks. I figured it was a non-issue but didn't know enough.
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Dec 13, 2023 19:51
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bird food bathtub posted:Like anything else in Trumpland the answer exists in a quantum superposition and only becomes resolved one way or another the instant the answer is needed to make things better for Trump. Immediately after that the answer is then unobserved again and becomes unknowable until the next time he needs it. Much like how Trump is a courageous orator eager for his chance to testify in court because only cowards and criminals would refuse to testify, until the day comes and he'd be an idiot to testify, and then afterwards he once again will absolutely testify and would have wowed everyone if only he'd been given the chance
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Dec 13, 2023 20:15
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DarkHorse posted:Much like how Trump is a courageous orator eager for his chance to testify in court because only cowards and criminals would refuse to testify, until the day comes and he'd be an idiot to testify, and then afterwards he once again will absolutely testify and would have wowed everyone if only he'd been given the chance
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Dec 13, 2023 20:29
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What is AM100? Google/Wiki is drawing a blank.
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Tayter Swift posted:What is AM100? Google/Wiki is drawing a blank. I believe it means the top-ranked 100 law firms in the US.
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Dec 13, 2023 20:42
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The Assholes and Misogynist 100 is an extremely prestigious group
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The Islamic Shock posted:I feel like you could take someone who thinks like this, record them saying two opposite things on two consecutive days, show it to them and they wouldn't learn a drat thing The nature of the profession of professional representation actively selects for people who are skilled at doing this.
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Dec 13, 2023 20:58
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Donkringel posted:Does lawyering typically slow down during a large holiday? I would imagine that would be the downside of being a high priced lawyer, but the flip side is overtime and bonuses for dealing with this. I personally know a few big law lawyers who like holidays (Thanksgiving and Christmas days, not "the holiday season") because there are fewer drivers on the road and fewer staff in the office. They can get more done because their commute is shorter and they don't have to spend any time around distractions at work.
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Dec 13, 2023 21:13
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It also depends heavily on what kind of lawyer you are and where you are. My local courthouse has skeleton crews and reduced schedules from the 22nd through the January 2nd. Some courts are closed on Thanksgiving and the day after Thanksgiving. If you are a criminal attorney, then the holidays probably are less work.
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Dec 13, 2023 21:19
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The Islamic Shock posted:I feel like you could take someone who thinks like this, record them saying two opposite things on two consecutive days, show it to them and they wouldn't learn a drat thing As a malignant narcissist, no, Trump would absolutely not learn anything from it. Narcissists live in their own reality between their ears and a heaping helping of the emotional abuse they inflict on others in their lives/social circles is a direct result of that. To live with them you need to be constantly, absolutely hyper-vigilant to their thought processes and feelings at all times because they are tenuously attached to reality at best and the only survival mechanism is to be willing to substitute their reality for your own. They will never accept external realities, it's just not how they exist on a fundamental level.
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Dec 13, 2023 21:21
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Supreme Court is taking up an appeal from a person convicted on January 6th under charges of "conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding" who argues that the law says that you must take some action with a "document, record, or other object" in order to actually obstruct and that just entering the Capitol or encouraging others storm the capitol is technically not covered under the law.
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Dec 13, 2023 22:08
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The Islamic Shock posted:I feel like you could take someone who thinks like this, record them saying two opposite things on two consecutive days, show it to them and they wouldn't learn a drat thing
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Dec 13, 2023 22:12
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InsertPotPun posted:it was called "the daily show" and it changed nothing Jon Stewart at least embarrassed at least one person into resigning from their post. And got Crossfire cancelled, which led to the rise of Tucker Carlson, Arch-Racist. So, y'know, land of contrasts and all that.
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bird food bathtub posted:As a malignant narcissist, no, Trump would absolutely not learn anything from it. Narcissists live in their own reality between their ears and a heaping helping of the emotional abuse they inflict on others in their lives/social circles is a direct result of that. To live with them you need to be constantly, absolutely hyper-vigilant to their thought processes and feelings at all times because they are tenuously attached to reality at best and the only survival mechanism is to be willing to substitute their reality for your own. They will never accept external realities, it's just not how they exist on a fundamental level. I used to shy away from talking about this because I've been chastised before on here about it, but I was once married to a malignant narcissist and it is absolutely shocking how far down the rabbit hole you can go before hitting bottom.
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Someone like trump is so fuckin broken that there's no positive outcome. He'll feed endless narcissistic injury until the moment he can't, and push those walls up as high as his brain can handle all along the way, so if it collapses it will be extra devastating If yall know anyone who's that malignant about it, you know they'll never be whole
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It also depends heavily on what kind of lawyer you are and where you are. Generally yeah. I remember being happy one year because my shift at bond court was Thursday afternoon but it got cancelled for Thanksgiving so I had a day off. Morning bond court still took place but that wasn't my shift.
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I'll post this here too. The parallels will make you stare into the distance for a while in horror.
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Here is the text of what is going before DC Circuit Appeals for the J6 rioters appealing their convictions: 
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...and what does Nichols argue that the rioters were going to do with the ballots if they got ahold of them?
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Randalor posted:...and what does Nichols argue that the rioters were going to do with the ballots if they got ahold of them? 
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Staluigi posted:Someone like trump is so fuckin broken that there's no positive outcome. He'll feed endless narcissistic injury until the moment he can't, and push those walls up as high as his brain can handle all along the way, so if it collapses it will be extra devastating trumps biggest gently caress up was not just taking the loss in turn and retreating back to either private life OR to try to rebrand for 2024. instead he did all of this poo poo. mdemone posted:I'll post this here too. The parallels will make you stare into the distance for a while in horror. yeah cept trump thankfully isnt doing that and we arnt the weimar as much as some like to pretend we are.
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mdemone posted:I'll post this here too. The parallels will make you stare into the distance for a while in horror. How so? They seem entirely dissimilar.
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Raenir Salazar posted:How so? They seem entirely dissimilar. this. hitler had extreamly friendly judges and a system that either openly supported him OR was willing to give him a slap on the wrist. the issue with the weimar is no one with any real power wanted it to the exist. the moncarchist and right and buesness didnt, the nazis didn't, the military didnt and the communists didn't. it was basicaly a race to figure out who could tear the system down first.
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mdemone posted:I used to shy away from talking about this because I've been chastised before on here about it, but I was once married to a malignant narcissist and it is absolutely shocking how far down the rabbit hole you can go before hitting bottom. Man if it makes you feel better, or at least gives you some comradery, I have a covert narcissism abuse relationship on my books from a recent gf. At 38 I figured myself pretty lucid but I had absolutely no idea what the hell was happening for the last 6 months because I was woefully unprepared for the fun chapters that follow the idealization phase. I assume your experience was worse (malignant), but you missed the pleasure of the covert side where you lose all of your mutual friends because nobody believes you. Anyway if you were probed for being off-topic (which I assume is how your hand was slapped?) feel free to PM me to vent to me privately. Trust me, I'll get it.
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mdemone posted:Here is the text of what is going before DC Circuit Appeals for the J6 rioters appealing their convictions: Or the other possibility that a loving toddler could understand is that they wanted to make the general obstruction illegal and also add specific actions that might not normally be considered obstruction are included in the statute. This judge is just deciding that words don't mean what they say.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:trumps biggest gently caress up was not just taking the loss in turn and retreating back to either private life OR to try to rebrand for 2024. instead he did all of this poo poo. It's true, we're WAY more fascist and belligerent already
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mdemone posted:I'll post this here too. The parallels will make you stare into the distance for a while in horror. But Trump can't get a book deal because no ghost writer will work with him.
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Lammasu posted:But Trump can't get a book deal because no ghost writer will work with him. Not even Ivana.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Or the other possibility that a loving toddler could understand is that they wanted to make the general obstruction illegal and also add specific actions that might not normally be considered obstruction are included in the statute. This judge is just deciding that words don't mean what they say. Yeah, every other judge in the district and others who have heard these cases and the appeals court have all disagreed with Nichols.
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mdemone posted:Here is the text of what is going before DC Circuit Appeals for the J6 rioters appealing their convictions: Hold on, if I interpret this word in a certain way, it becomes surplusage, so instead we must read an entire clause as surplusage
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