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Personally, and I'm not a builder or architect, so I might be way off the mark, I reckon now we're coming into 2024, we should be starting to think about "how do we build buildings that don't just fall down". I know it's pie in the sky, but I like to dream.
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Dec 14, 2023 02:42
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OwlFancier posted:Augustus can get Agrippa deez nuts. Exactly. This is how the Roman Empire was born and the Republic was ended.
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Dec 14, 2023 02:48
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Concretum Romanum disceptatio: Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas fons: Virgil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LJNJNV-5tw Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Dec 14, 2023 03:07
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It's not like modern Italians have a great recent record with concrete structures either.
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Dec 14, 2023 08:06
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Personally, and I'm not a builder or architect, so I might be way off the mark, I reckon now we're coming into 2024, we should be starting to think about "how do we build buildings that don't just fall down". I know it's pie in the sky, but I like to dream. Yeah, we can tell you're no builder with that attitude. Look at that pantheon roof eh. 2000 years, and if they'd done it proper it could have spent most of that time covered in scaffolding and providing work for hundreds of tradesmen. Bloody Romans
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Dec 14, 2023 08:22
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I find it amusing that the people who most love to bang on about the Victorians and Romans and suchlike are also the ones who seem most ignorant (wilfully or not) that to Get poo poo Done you need things like experts and big public works projects and to have at least some amount of the people you hire for stuff not be grifters. Of course it's really harkening back to imagined times when we could and did tell Johnny Foreigner to jog on, rather than a sincere appreciation of the eras or the people who lived then and their works.
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Dec 14, 2023 08:38
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They just like the bit where you get to laze about on a hillside and fiddle. With string instruments if you're fortunate.
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Dec 14, 2023 09:44
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Archeology has been woke ever since Germany declared war on the Jones boys.
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Dec 14, 2023 10:28
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Woke archaeology is a fifth column
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Dec 14, 2023 10:29
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huh https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/13/police-declare-major-incident-in-south-wales-after-explosion-at-industrial-estate Seems a kid's mental health and physical fitness centre blew up? Bit curious what was that explosive?
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Dec 14, 2023 10:37
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Ms Adequate posted:I find it amusing that the people who most love to bang on about the Victorians and Romans and suchlike are also the ones who seem most ignorant (wilfully or not) that to Get poo poo Done you need things like experts and big public works projects and to have at least some amount of the people you hire for stuff not be grifters. The recent WTYP podcast episode about the sinking of the SS Princess Alice touched on this; the Victorians understood that civic and national infrastructure was important and serious stuff. Municipal waterworks weren't built to look like Ottoman palaces on the outside and Pugin's intensest fever dream on the inside for no reason - it was because, and to visibly demonstrate, that providing clean water and carrying away people's poo poo was a vital, serious business that was a basic part of modern civilisation. The same reason why in some countries their public health officers have military-style dress uniforms. The Victorians (and Romans, and a lot of people in between) were at least very aware of what happened if you didn't take stuff like municipal sanitation seriously and stuff like sewer systems, gasworks, hospitals, libraries, public baths etc. were visible signs of progress, modernity and improvement. Now we seem to have a sort of neoliberal myopia where people don't take this poo poo (pun sorta intended) seriously because it's always just been there and happened and we haven't had a cholera outbreak in 160 years, so you can get your dividend and just pump a bit of treated sewage into the river because have you seen how big the Thames Estuary is? And if your idea of public utilities administration is just organising private sector partnerships then building a new set of sewers and treatment plants is really difficult.
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Dec 14, 2023 10:39
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was it in a ULEZ by any chance
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Dec 14, 2023 10:39
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Dec 14, 2023 10:58
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Tesseraction posted:huh https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/13/police-declare-major-incident-in-south-wales-after-explosion-at-industrial-estate There's loads of units there not just a gym, lots of explody things on an industrial estate Or it could just be a regular gas explosion
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Dec 14, 2023 11:06
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Checks the smallprint on the new moth containment gadget I just got off aliexpress. May contain moths 
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Dec 14, 2023 11:14
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BalloonFish posted:The Victorians (and Romans, and a lot of people in between) were at least very aware of what happened if you didn't take stuff like municipal sanitation seriously and stuff like sewer systems, gasworks, hospitals, libraries, public baths etc. were visible signs of progress, modernity and improvement. Pierson posted:The localest of local news but laffo at Sunderland's new station and T&M Metro trying to bravely post through it: Of course, a lot of construction always sucked and they fall into the survivorship bias of looking at that which doesn't, and a lot of their "everywhere will look like an airport" and "soulless globalist materialism" wittering is just code for "you may encounter a foreign" and "Jews are behind this, I can feel it" but the sensibles are always saying that the left and right should find common ground, and while most of their common ground is a waste dump I think "we should have public buildings that don't look like a vaporwave video set in an abandoned Greggs" is one that I can agree on. After all, it wasn't the left who reduced everything to 'retail space optimization', or objected against everything that you couldn't own privately or turn a profit from, or pushed the planning laws towards fields of new builds without a single library or pub or meeting hall, and the most significant single inspiration cited by the first Labour government was John Ruskin, who had a lot of views about fair pay and skilled work, but also a ton of Art opinions about how if you base everything on price you're likely to get poo poo, and as the Marxist theatrist Bertolt Brecht pointed out (in reference to the ornate stations of the Moscow subway) left wing architecture is allowed to look like a palace as long as the people who operate and maintain it are the people who own and use it. Of course my "things should have more stelæ" caucus with Peter Hitchens and gigachad88 will probably fall apart the second it gets to what should be featured on them, but works can and should aim higher than "it'll look better when the Pret franchise is fitted". So yeah, I agree, there is a presence and purpose missing from a lot of this stuff and I think a lot of people have noticed it and are put off, but lacking any positive alternative vision will retreat into a malformed kind of reactionary progressivism of "remember the last time we looked forward to things."
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Dec 14, 2023 11:18
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Apraxin posted:just the equalities minister writing to peoples' employers to say that some research they did about racism existing in the 17th century 'undermines social cohesion' It all makes sense when you realise a core tenent of Conservatism is just making poo poo up and hoping nobody does the homework to argue against it.
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Dec 14, 2023 11:25
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Anyone got experience with disputes via a deposit protection scheme? Previous landlord trying to pull a fast one and my tactic of ‘verbal abuse down the phone to try and make them cry’ didn’t work.
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Dec 14, 2023 11:35
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Jakabite posted:Anyone got experience with disputes via a deposit protection scheme? Previous landlord trying to pull a fast one and my tactic of ‘verbal abuse down the phone to try and make them cry’ didn’t work. Indirectly, but everyone I've ever heard from has been really positive about them, how they are really fair/favourable towards the tenant and they've always got their money back.
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Dec 14, 2023 11:39
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Never actually gotten to that far. As soon as I started the process the landlord folded. For prep you should get in writing from the landlord. What they are charging for. Evidence of need for fixes. Receipts of work for said fixes being done. Do everything over email, calls can be disputed easily.
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Dec 14, 2023 11:40
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Jakabite posted:Anyone got experience with disputes via a deposit protection scheme? Previous landlord trying to pull a fast one and my tactic of ‘verbal abuse down the phone to try and make them cry’ didn’t work. Always do it. Literally every single person I've ever heard contesting via DPS (including me) have got back at least some,if not all, of their money. Also what Mega Comrade said. Ask for an itemised bill and the name of the vendors they're using. You can double check that yourself if you want for added gently caress you, but a lot of landlords/estate managers balk at "where's my itemised list of costs"
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Dec 14, 2023 11:40
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Guavanaut posted:I was thinking along these lines when I absolutely agree, and had similar thoughts to that tweet. It's also another case of the "get capitalists to describe communism and they'll describe how communists describe capitalism" effect - we're always told that socialist systems inevitably end up squashing all individuality, adornment, artistry etc. in the name of ruthless functional bare-minimalism standardisation, and then the white-statue-profile-pic types start posting pictures of ranks of Eastern Bloc Khrushchevkas and the Park Hill Estate. And then Sunderland's new train station is, in design and 'finish' terms, something that the Victorians wouldn't even consider appropriate for a bandstand in a provincial town, serving only to keep the rain off plots of private enterprise and hardly differing in design or appearance from an industrial warehouse anywhere in the country. My city recently built and opened a university campus, after at least a decade of proposals and planning and even longer of a general recognition that Peterborough was badly served by being a city of its size, location and aspiration by having no higher education institution. In a previous era the project to build a university would be a major civic project - the cue for architects to unleash their wildest fantasies in Jacobean or neo-Gothic if we were in the 1890s or some bold vision of a modernist future if we were in the 1960s. What we got was a steel-frame prefab box with a mix of fake brick and primary-coloured cladding and smoked glass windows with anthracite-coloured frames. It says absolutely nothing (or at least, nothing deliberate or positive) about the place or the people that built it, represents no vision or higher purpose, has not the slightest pretence of inspiring those working in it to think higher, loftier, broader thoughts and is almost indistinguishable from the Premier Inn that went up down the road at the same time.
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Dec 14, 2023 11:50
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Jakabite posted:Anyone got experience with disputes via a deposit protection scheme? Previous landlord trying to pull a fast one and my tactic of ‘verbal abuse down the phone to try and make them cry’ didn’t work. The landlord / agent will cave immediately if you can provide documentation, photos etc. Deposit protection tend to side with the tenant.
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Dec 14, 2023 11:55
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think this is very funny that this dipshit i've never heard of is getting shitcanned not just for being on the take, but for running his mouth and suggesting that many of his colleagues are also on the take https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/14/blackpool-mp-scott-benton-faces-commons-suspension-over-lobbying-scandal quote:“His comments gave a false impression of the morality of MPs in a way which, if the public were to accept them as accurate, would be corrosive to respect for parliament and undermine the foundations of our democracy.” shockedtofindgamblingisgoingoninhere.gif Nuclear Spoon fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Dec 14, 2023 11:59
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It may take a while though. When I had to do a dispute the landlord didn’t submit any evidence or statements at all and when the deadline passed the mediators (or whatever the protection scheme people are called) said “oh well we’d better give them a bit more time” and after another month or two of no response from the landlord, finally gave me my money back.
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Dec 14, 2023 12:33
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I had to do it a long time ago. The landlord came round and did the inventory after leaving, said everything was fine, all good. Then when it came to deposit return they said that there were problems, after having said everything was fine. I disputed it with the scheme and said this, eventually landlord submitted no evidence and I got the deposit back - though it did take months.
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Dec 14, 2023 12:36
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Jakabite posted:Anyone got experience with disputes via a deposit protection scheme? Previous landlord trying to pull a fast one and my tactic of ‘verbal abuse down the phone to try and make them cry’ didn’t work. Do it. Take it out of the landlords hands. Pray that they never even bothered putting it in a deposit scheme because if not you can make  One of my proudest and also most regretted experiences was having a landlord try to shaft me on the deposit. Stupid gits hadn't even put it into a deposit scheme (a legal requirement). I tried to play nice and sent lots of letters demanding it back but they stonewalled me. I guess they didn't expect me to take them to small claims court, so the second I sent through the summons they folded immediately and repaid in full plus all my costs and interest. That was very enjoyable but I found out at the time that by pissing about being nice I'd shot myself in the foot. If they don't put the money in a deposit scheme you can take them for 3x the deposit. There's a time limit though and I'd overrun it by a few weeks sending all the increasingly threatening letters. Should have just gone nuclear on the bastards from the off.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:00
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New money making scheme where you find one of those places that wants a year's rent as a deposit and then try to triple your money.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:04
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Thanks gang, I’ll be doing all this and relishing it hugely. It also means I have someone to ring and shout at whenever I’m in a bad mood which is always good (they’re a family ‘business’ so I’m not just getting on at some poor fucker working there)
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Dec 14, 2023 13:10
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Honestly I'd just not bother contacting the landlord directly any further, except maybe to tell them you plan on settling this via the deposit scheme in case they want to make things easier for everyone and just fold. No point stressing yourself out for the sake of some parasite who isn't going to budge until they're forced to.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:24
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Yeah I have always been successful through the deposit protection scheme. Even one instance where I felt a bit bad for the landlord, he claimed for repainting as the place stunk of cigarette smoke (it did) due to one of my flatmates being a massive stoner. The DPS didn't have a bit of it though.
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Dec 14, 2023 13:47
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Speaking of landlords I also have a question about maintenance stuff. Our flat is generally fine and the letting agent is refreshingly hands off most of the time, but does generally respond to repair requests quickly. We have one corner of the living room though where the wall is obviously hollow. I'm guessing it's where the pipes etc are. We've clearly got a leaky pipe somewhere because since like a year and a half ago we've noticed damp patches appearing on the wall and ceiling. They aren't getting massively worse but they occasionally do spread a bit. I've now reported this like 3 times, and beyond telling me to ask my upstairs neighbour if he's had any issues in his flat, which he hasn't, the letting agent has pretty much ignored the issue completely. It's not massively urgent, and there's no mould or anything, but I feel like it's almost certainly going to be causing incremental damage. Not really sure how to proceed because on the one hand I don't care, it's not my flat and I've created a pretty solid paper trail so I can't be held accountable, and I worry that fixing it might involve a major job knocking down walls etc, which means we'd probably have to move out for a bit at least. At the same time it's not exactly great having big damp patches just sitting there, and I'm a bit concerned because there are plug sockets on the same wall right next to the damp bits. I'm also picturing the ceiling deciding to fall in at the most inopportune moment, which would be a nightmare. So yeah, not sure. I know I'd be very pissed if I was the owner and the letting agent was just ignoring an issue that might seriously damage the fabric of the building long term.
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Dec 14, 2023 14:01
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Don't see why you'd have to move out to replace a bit of hosed plasterboard, sounds like an afternoons work
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Dec 14, 2023 14:05
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It's more we don't know where the leak is coming from and if they're going to sort the pipes it might involve having to go right into the ceiling and up the wall cavity
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Dec 14, 2023 14:07
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ThomasPaine posted:Speaking of landlords I also have a question about maintenance stuff. Our flat is generally fine and the letting agent is refreshingly hands off most of the time, but does generally respond to repair requests quickly. We have one corner of the living room though where the wall is obviously hollow. I'm guessing it's where the pipes etc are. We've clearly got a leaky pipe somewhere because since like a year and a half ago we've noticed damp patches appearing on the wall and ceiling. They aren't getting massively worse but they occasionally do spread a bit. I've now reported this like 3 times, and beyond telling me to ask my upstairs neighbour if he's had any issues in his flat, which he hasn't, the letting agent has pretty much ignored the issue completely. If this is happening semi regularly and weirdly only when it's cold, it could just condensation. My place does that and it's really annoying but short of living in the freezing cold, sticking a dehumidifier on it, or massively upgrading your insulation there's not much that can be done. These things are sometimes hard to diagnose properly but ultimately if you've reported it and it's not hurting you by sprouting black mold or whatever, I'd say you've done your bit. I wouldn't use any sockets on damp walls though..
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Dec 14, 2023 14:08
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ThomasPaine posted:Speaking of landlords I also have a question about maintenance stuff. Our flat is generally fine and the letting agent is refreshingly hands off most of the time, but does generally respond to repair requests quickly. We have one corner of the living room though where the wall is obviously hollow. I'm guessing it's where the pipes etc are. We've clearly got a leaky pipe somewhere because since like a year and a half ago we've noticed damp patches appearing on the wall and ceiling. They aren't getting massively worse but they occasionally do spread a bit. I've now reported this like 3 times, and beyond telling me to ask my upstairs neighbour if he's had any issues in his flat, which he hasn't, the letting agent has pretty much ignored the issue completely. I had rising damp appearing on some of my internal walls* since the summer causing the bubbly plaster look. I was dreading it was a breach in the damp course for the entire block of flats as being on the ground floor, rectification if required would be a nightmare. So I decided to ignore it and hope it went away. (Reader: it didn't, it kept on growing up the wall about 1cm per month). Anyway then it started appearing on the wall in the external corridor alongside my bathroom wall but also with the main drain from the flat roof at the top of the block going down there too which we have been having ongoing problems with. So I thought I wonder if it is my bathroom that's the cause. I got a plumber who drilled a hole in the bath panel (it isn't a normal bath panel) and had a look with a mini camera, but didn't see anything. The damp kept creeping up the wall so I got a handyman to remove the bath panel and look and it was all wet under there, not from a broken / disconnected pipe. (There was also a pair of men's underpants that must have been there at least 6 years - I've only lived here 4 yrs - who 'walls up' a pair of men's underpants under a bath - but I digress). So by a process of deduction I figured it must be a leak from the bath surrounds. So several layers of shower curtains later, I left a week before marking progress up the wall to give any water already en route to the wall time to filter through, marked the wall and there's been no further rising since then. * NOT adjacent my bathroom - must have been creeping through brick work. So tl:dr you might be able to deduce the source of the damp by careful observation & suggest to the landlord/letting agent. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Dec 14, 2023 14:11
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ThomasPaine posted:It's more we don't know where the leak is coming from and if they're going to sort the pipes it might involve having to go right into the ceiling and up the wall cavity Might take a bit of detectiving idk but still I wouldn't think you'd have to vacate. I imagine you could push back if it came to that
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Good afternoon, and welcome to oval office of the Day 
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poo poo That Definitely Happened Of The Day
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Skulker posted:poo poo That Definitely Happened Of The Day Yup. The door was being replaced, so he cut up the old one as a joke. He's a complete oval office though https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/property-investor-samuel-leeds-accused-of-shutting-down-criticism-over-10000-courses https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-51046596
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