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jaadee posted:There was a lot of back-and-forth on hip drop tackles a couple weeks ago and it seemed like folks thought a hip drop tackle was simply tackling from behind and using one's bodyweight to drag an opposing player down, as opposed to tackling from behind and wrapping the legs or otherwise impeding an opposing player's ability to keep their legs moving. This is the correct take. Hip drop tackles are awful.
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I just saw the TJ Watt self-reported concussion symptoms last Friday and is still in the protocol. From last Thursday's GDT, pmchem posted:he’s playing through an obvious concussion from the first drive and not doing poo poo why are players and teams so dumb? how did the NFL let this happen? I mean Watt went back in the game with a TINTED VISOR basically advertising his concussion, what in the hell?
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pmchem posted:I just saw the TJ Watt self-reported concussion symptoms last Friday and is still in the protocol. Concussions are a badge of honor starting in high school. Playing after getting your bell rung is seen as badass.
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biceps crimes posted:this league is dumb as gently caress if they ban the qb shove over health and safety Feels like trying again to get a different result after banning it on competitive grounds got an “lol git gud” I refuse to believe there is an unstoppable play in the NFL. If it becomes enough of a problem, defenses will fuckin figure it out. Even if it takes my dream of a traveling duo of morbidly obese dudes whose only purpose is to stand in front of the center on fourth and short. Edit: was this the same “totally not a concussion” where Watt had to be checked and then demanded a tinted visor because the lights hurt his eyes lmao? “Player safety is a priority”
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Docjowles posted:Get on mountain time’s level imo. Optimal sports watching window 
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Watt is a case of another neurologist that the union should fire. Dude missed/ignored an obvious symptom if he even bothered to look at Watt. Team doctor should go to but lol team employee.
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Docjowles posted:Get on mountain time’s level imo. Optimal sports watching window
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dingo with a joint posted:Saturday games rule because I get to watch NFL during the New Zealand weekend. I'm going to spend this Sunday afternoon in an American bar watching Broncos v Lions live and getting drunk with my Pats fan mate. Same except northern hemisphere of you
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Doltos posted:Concussions are a badge of honor starting in high school. Playing after getting your bell rung is seen as badass. poo poo, even earlier than that. My son (likely) got one as an eight year old playing Pop Warner when he wasn't paying attention on a kickoff. And I was proud of him for sucking it up and not at all concerned he definitely wasn't himself for a week following the play. This was twenty years ago, but I really don't think football (youth or otherwise) is any different.
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chamois posted:in 20 years they'll be playing football on the moon the Olympus Mons Raiders will still suck
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Mister Perky posted:the Olympus Mons Raiders will still suck I look forward to the Seahawks still bitching about the added travel time they face to the spaceport island in flooded out Arkansas in the year 2400. Ahead of the multi year flight to Mars.
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Doltos posted:Concussions are a badge of honor starting in high school. Playing after getting your bell rung is seen as badass. In the mid-00s in high school playing lacrosse I leapt into the air trying to catch a ball that was badly overshot above the goal. I was drilled midair and slammed onto the ground like 5 feet down from my peak of the leap. I don't remember anything of like the next 30 minutes after that and I can't possibly imagine trying to go back into the game like that. They kept me out of the next game and I was pretty upset about that. The rest of that whole period is somewhat fuzzy. The ground was very wet and soft. Muddy.
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drat you had a 60 inch vertical that rules
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Freaquency posted:Yeah those early slots kick off at 7:30 my time and I’m not waking up to watch football that early every week, even for a team I like. Bold of you to assume the league won't be broadcasting itself straight into your dreams Futurama style.
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I wake up at 445 to watch the panthers play every week. On a Monday. You're not true fans. Or maybe I'm a masochist. Come to think about it, no wonder I'm just coming out the otherside of a pretty bad bout of depressed mood.
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I love that Amazon got swindled for Billions to have the rights to broadcast what is usually the worst game of the week
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biceps crimes posted:this league is dumb as gently caress
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Personally I think they're over extending but they haven't hosed it up yet despite allowing only Tom Brady to win championships in the script, so what do I know.
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biceps crimes posted:this league is dumb as gently caress
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indigi posted:drat you had a 60 inch vertical that rules You realize it's not uncommon for someone's head to be at least five feet from the ground just while standing.
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Rectal Placenta posted:You realize it's not uncommon for someone's head to be at least five feet from the ground just while standing. oh so he has a 0 inch vertical. that's impressive in its own way
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SKULL.GIF posted:I can't think of any instances off the top of my head where the shove has resulted in an injury. People certainly get Hurts
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jaadee posted:There was a lot of back-and-forth on hip drop tackles a couple weeks ago and it seemed like folks thought a hip drop tackle was simply tackling from behind and using one's bodyweight to drag an opposing player down, as opposed to tackling from behind and wrapping the legs or otherwise impeding an opposing player's ability to keep their legs moving. I always thought a hip drop was tackling from behind and using ones bodyweight. I didn't realize that all these tacklers are intentionally trying to injure/land on the legs, and that it wasn't something that happens sometimes but not others. I've never heard a single player talk about deliberately trying to land on the legs.
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bows1 posted:I always thought a hip drop was tackling from behind and using ones bodyweight. I didn't realize that all these tacklers are intentionally trying to injure/land on the legs, and that it wasn't something that happens sometimes but not others. I've never heard a single player talk about deliberately trying to land on the legs. Unfortunately I've heard several announcers this season call it a hip drop tackle when it's just the former, which is probably the source of confusion.
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I'm sure the referees will have no issues interpreting the difference once it's introduced as a rule
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The337th posted:I'm sure the referees will have no issues interpreting the difference once it's introduced as a rule yeah exactly, the last thing we need is more subjective judgement rules
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Is it really that different from horsecollar tackles, which at one point seemed innocuous and commonplace.
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Miss Lonelyhearts posted:Is it really that different from horsecollar tackles, which at one point seemed innocuous and commonplace. I don't think it is different. The best possible outcome would be to make the hip drop an unnecessary roughness penalty and also make unnecessary roughness reviewable by sky judge. That'll never happen because the on field refs are babies, but it would absolutely work.
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It kind of seems like they want to slowly get rid of "players landing onto other players" not only for safety, but also because it leads to more shoulder tackles/shove tackles that are more easily juked/broken, which leads to more yardage and more surprise breakthroughs for exciting plays. You can't land on the QB anymore, which has directly led to more broken/evaded sacks that lead to extended plays.
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Hip drop tackles are as dangerous as horse collar and they both need to be stamped out. It's lovely tackling technique done by inferior athletes. It's not really subjective when it happens.
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I haven’t been paying attention but when I saw that rugby video I instantly wanted that poo poo gone. I’m pretty sure a trained ref will be able to tell if you intentionally fall on someone’s legs like that since that looks like an obviously deliberate act compared to just tackling someone and falling down weirdly.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I haven’t been paying attention but when I saw that rugby video I instantly wanted that poo poo gone. I’m pretty sure a trained ref will be able to tell if you intentionally fall on someone’s legs like that since that looks like an obviously deliberate act compared to just tackling someone and falling down weirdly. Ok, so now you're asking them to determine intent on the fly.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Ok, so now you're asking them to determine intent on the fly. In the rugby video it seemed pretty easy to determine intent because all the hip drop guys were moving themselves to deliberately land on the legs and all the clean tackles just fell to the ground. I know it was a video showing very clear cut situations, but it seemed like the hip-drops, while more effective, were deliberately targeted. Not one looked like someone unintentionally landing on the ball carrier's leg.
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Nah, it's just like the horse collar. Intent doesn't matter. If you grab an offensive player, swing your weight, then drop down on top of them, it's a hip drop.
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We need to bring back 1970s tackling.
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Yeah it’s a matter of recklessness not intent. It would be really weird if there was a rash of players purposefully falling on dudes’ legs while in the midst of making a desperation tackle
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davecrazy posted:We need to bring back 1970s tackling. JACK'D UP!!!
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syzpid posted:I love that Amazon got swindled for Billions to have the rights to broadcast what is usually the worst game of the week Bezos is just putting that as addback acquisition costs on his eventual Seahawks purchase.
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Docjowles posted:I look forward to the Seahawks still bitching about the added travel time they face to the spaceport island in flooded out Arkansas in the year 2400. Ahead of the multi year flight to Mars. The Mons Raiders are nothing. I still can't believe they moved the Titans to Titan.
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