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Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Also your work will be immediately fed into AI datasets to be stolen from

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TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

Golden age to create art, dark age to promote or release it.

Like a lot of mediums are way more accessible now to all incomes.

If you want to put it out there though good luck.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

After several months, Innuendo Studios blesses with a new video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IrG68YTMjo

...on that's barely 5 minutes long.

look, i'm a big fan of IS, and his alt-right playbook series is great. but i feel it's kind of insulting when you take multiple months long breaks and drizzle out a short, half-assed video like this. at least when hbomb and shaun take their long breaks, they make it worth the wait.

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Mr Interweb posted:

After several months, Innuendo Studios blesses with a new video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IrG68YTMjo

...on that's barely 5 minutes long.

look, i'm a big fan of IS, and his alt-right playbook series is great. but i feel it's kind of insulting when you take multiple months long breaks and drizzle out a short, half-assed video like this. at least when hbomb and shaun take their long breaks, they make it worth the wait.

He's actually released four of those mini-videos over the past 4 months. I think they're meant more as little snacks to tide us over until a proper videos comes out.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

the alt right playbook thumbnail has instilled a fight or flight response in me

HolePisser1982
Nov 3, 2002


Alaois posted:

the alt right playbook thumbnail has instilled a fight or flight response in me

stillvisions
Oct 15, 2014

I really should have come up with something better before spending five bucks on this.

Skippy McPants posted:

Trying to be an author in 2023 seems like one of the most miserable things I could imagine. Like, you have all the problems that always plagued the profession and now stack on the new bullshit of social media drama and the "content creation" mindset.

Edit: oh, and all the Small Business Owner brain worms for anyone doing self-publishing.

Ugh. I dunno, there are some bright'ish spots like Patreon, but in general, it just seems like an awful time to be a creative of any stripe.

One of the few ways you can operate as an author is the Chuck Tingle method - he's famous for it but there are niche authors who have built up a fandom in various genre circles (mostly porn-y) who release novellas via e-reader on a frequent basis for relatively decent earnings because digital distribution keeps the cost down. A few will set up a deal for some limited edition pretty looking physical releases/collections, paired with an illustrator for a few drawings to seal the deal.

Usually that works by getting people on board with fanfic then pivoting and hoping they follow you. The problem is you need to find the audience first, because now your books will be swimming in a sea of AI-Generated crap.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

stillvisions posted:

Not sure if this is a spoiler because it's revealed pretty early from my recollection:
For the computer science majors, the code breaking MacGuffin is basically a P=NP chip that can instantly guess and test all encryptions at the same time.
The brief bit of maths we hear in the dude's lecture near the start (something about elliptic curve encryption which is used and which the NSA did manage to introduce a backdoor into) was definitely written by someone who knew the right stuff to include which is part of why I'm charitable towards it.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 14 days!
Illuminaughtii with the 2 Bobs:

Bobs: "OK it says here you're a u tuber? You make these videos?"
I: "Yes. Well, me and my staff."
Bobs: "These videos are real conversation starters at the water cooler! You researched this stuff yourself? How did you find it?"
I: "Google and, uh see I have a researcher I pay to look up interesting stories..."
Bobs: "But you write and edit the material in your unique style right?"
I:"Funny thing, I actually hire a writer to do that so I can make videos faster and make more money."
Bobs: "Huh, all right. And that little pyramid faced mascot, real cute by the way. You drew that? Bet you've got binders full of doodles from school like that one!"
I: "Well, uh, you see... I commissioned an artist to do the portraits with a handful of recycled poses to keep viewers engaged since it is kinda a visual medium and all that"
Bobs: "Sure, sure. But like, what is it that you... Do?"
I: "Look, these writers, they can't record ninety minutes of hastily researched subject matter in one take, ok? I have people skills! Just look at how many followers I have!
Bobs:"Oh, you built up that follower base from scratch did you now?
I: :byodame:

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Panfilo posted:

Illuminaughtii with the 2 Bobs:

Bobs: "OK it says here you're a u tuber? You make these videos?"
I: "Yes. Well, me and my staff."
Bobs: "These videos are real conversation starters at the water cooler! You researched this stuff yourself? How did you find it?"
I: "Google and, uh see I have a researcher I pay to look up interesting stories..."
Bobs: "But you write and edit the material in your unique style right?"
I:"Funny thing, I actually hire a writer to do that so I can make videos faster and make more money."
Bobs: "Huh, all right. And that little pyramid faced mascot, real cute by the way. You drew that? Bet you've got binders full of doodles from school like that one!"
I: "Well, uh, you see... I commissioned an artist to do the portraits with a handful of recycled poses to keep viewers engaged since it is kinda a visual medium and all that"
Bobs: "Sure, sure. But like, what is it that you... Do?"
I: "Look, these writers, they can't record ninety minutes of hastily researched subject matter in one take, ok? I have people skills! Just look at how many followers I have!
Bobs:"Oh, you built up that follower base from scratch did you now?
I: :byodame:

Looking forward to the Illuminaughtii v Panfilo docket

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack
The sad part is that I feel like this offloading of literally every subtask of production on to someone else to generate a source of "passive income" has increasingly become the standard mindset throughout first world culture. I think the best description I've heard of this is "The Zapierification of all things".

And that's really lovely because it not only results in the internet being clogged up by more low-effort content, but I think it has a deeply demoralizing effect on people who want their labor to actually contribute to humanity as a whole. It just feels like all of the jobs have increasingly become ones of managing the under-payed class of gig laborers who do pointless tasks to move money around without actually producing anything of actual value, and that really saddens me.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

KingKalamari posted:

The sad part is that I feel like this offloading of literally every subtask of production on to someone else to generate a source of "passive income" has increasingly become the standard mindset throughout first world culture. I think the best description I've heard of this is "The Zapierification of all things".

And that's really lovely because it not only results in the internet being clogged up by more low-effort content, but I think it has a deeply demoralizing effect on people who want their labor to actually contribute to humanity as a whole. It just feels like all of the jobs have increasingly become ones of managing the under-payed class of gig laborers who do pointless tasks to move money around without actually producing anything of actual value, and that really saddens me.

It's just capitalism. Exploit labor, collect profit, and create nothing of value.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 14 days!

KingKalamari posted:

The sad part is that I feel like this offloading of literally every subtask of production on to someone else to generate a source of "passive income" has increasingly become the standard mindset throughout first world culture. I think the best description I've heard of this is "The Zapierification of all things".

And that's really lovely because it not only results in the internet being clogged up by more low-effort content, but I think it has a deeply demoralizing effect on people who want their labor to actually contribute to humanity as a whole. It just feels like all of the jobs have increasingly become ones of managing the under-payed class of gig laborers who do pointless tasks to move money around without actually producing anything of actual value, and that really saddens me.

It's the American Dream, really.

Get an amazing deal on rent in a big place? Sublet it out so you effectively pay nothing to live there. Win the lottery? Start your own crazy business idea and hire everyone else to do the actual work while you get all the credit!

I can't help but think "Small Business" owners qq ing about how they work eighty hours a week making the equivalent of less than minimum wage kind of reinforce this kind of ambition, with people aspiring to want to have things both ways.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Skippy McPants posted:

Trying to be an author in 2023 seems like one of the most miserable things I could imagine. Like, you have all the problems that always plagued the profession and now stack on the new bullshit of social media drama and the "content creation" mindset.

Edit: oh, and all the Small Business Owner brain worms for anyone doing self-publishing.

Ugh. I dunno, there are some bright'ish spots like Patreon, but in general, it just seems like an awful time to be a creative of any stripe.

Also publishers suck more than ever. Like, in theory, the whole deal is basically that they cover the costs of printing, manufacturing, marketing, and all that poo poo for you so your book can actually reach people and they take a cut of the revenue to profit. Except aside from the fact that, increasingly, publishers kind of gate themselves off as ivory tower bullshit where the only way to actually get in is via pre-existing fame or connections to people who are already in the fold; elsewise everyone else gets to fight for the scraps like we constantly see YA authors doing: you even have to do your own marketing now, on social media. Most basic packages expect you to make so many posts and poo poo a day promoting your own book. The largest benefit of going with a publisher is, by and large, the fact that you have that publisher's name attached to your book - because the amount of work you have to do going the self publishing route is, by and large, the same; but the amount of money you spend isn't. Which is really loving stupid, but people genuinely do judge books based on who published them.

Nuebot fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 15, 2023

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl4EAJM5KJ0

"you were so racist that you got Coldplay's attention?"

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9bQAjT5MsU

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

KingKalamari posted:

The sad part is that I feel like this offloading of literally every subtask of production on to someone else to generate a source of "passive income" has increasingly become the standard mindset throughout first world culture. I think the best description I've heard of this is "The Zapierification of all things".

And that's really lovely because it not only results in the internet being clogged up by more low-effort content, but I think it has a deeply demoralizing effect on people who want their labor to actually contribute to humanity as a whole. It just feels like all of the jobs have increasingly become ones of managing the under-payed class of gig laborers who do pointless tasks to move money around without actually producing anything of actual value, and that really saddens me.

It's a depressingly self-perpetuating cycle, too-- how many people really want "a passive income source", really, compared to how many who just want what "a passive income stream" gives you in the current landscape -- some long term security of food and housing and the breathing room to know that if you stop working for awhile, you won't die? How many people would be doing creative things to contribute to humanity if they weren't completely burnt out in their jobs that they have no option to put down for a month, a week, a day because their housing and healthcare depend absolutely on the whims of their boss?

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

KingKalamari posted:

The sad part is that I feel like this offloading of literally every subtask of production on to someone else to generate a source of "passive income" has increasingly become the standard mindset throughout first world culture. I think the best description I've heard of this is "The Zapierification of all things".

And that's really lovely because it not only results in the internet being clogged up by more low-effort content, but I think it has a deeply demoralizing effect on people who want their labor to actually contribute to humanity as a whole. It just feels like all of the jobs have increasingly become ones of managing the under-payed class of gig laborers who do pointless tasks to move money around without actually producing anything of actual value, and that really saddens me.

Folding Ideas did a video about a year ago on gig economy writers-for-hire whose job is to research & write entire books for people who want to generate passive income via Amazon ebooks, and the multiple layers of scams and grifts involved. It's goddamned infuriating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYciU1uiUw

Of course this was before ChatGPT really took off so you don't even need to hire gig economy writers any more, you just get an AI app to pump it out and you're golden. Amazon is already glutted with incredibly lovely AI-generated books which are full of bullshit because they don't bother to edit them at all: https://sonderbooks.com/blog/?p=42630&f
My favourite are the kids books which were obviously trained on cartoons and get basic facts hilariously wrong:


There's also been several established authors who discovered that scammers are selling AI-generated books under their name on Amazon, and in some cases they had to fight a crazy uphill battle to get Amazon to do anything about it after they got told "Well your name isn't copyrighted so they haven't broken any rules": https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/30/authors-shocked-to-find-ai-ripoffs-of-their-books-being-sold-on-amazon


Nuebot posted:

Also publishers suck more than ever. Like, in theory, the whole deal is basically that they cover the costs of printing, manufacturing, marketing, and all that poo poo for you so your book can actually reach people and they take a cut of the revenue to profit. Except aside from the fact that, increasingly, publishers kind of gate themselves off as ivory tower bullshit where the only way to actually get in is via pre-existing fame or connections to people who are already in the fold; elsewise everyone else gets to fight for the scraps like we constantly see YA authors doing: you even have to do your own marketing now, on social media. Most basic packages expect you to make so many posts and poo poo a day promoting your own book. The largest benefit of going with a publisher is, by and large, the fact that you have that publisher's name attached to your book - because the amount of work you have to do going the self publishing route is, by and large, the same; but the amount of money you spend isn't. Which is really loving stupid, but people genuinely do judge books based on who published them.

I've been reading Martin Scott's (AKA Martin Millar) award winning fantasy series 'Thraxas' since the early 00s and they were originally published via big publishers like Baen but he's since lost his publishers and has gone indie. I try to avoid Amazon as much as possible but now it's the only way to get a physical copy of his new books. :(

stillvisions
Oct 15, 2014

I really should have come up with something better before spending five bucks on this.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

There's also been several established authors who discovered that scammers are selling AI-generated books under their name on Amazon, and in some cases they had to fight a crazy uphill battle to get Amazon to do anything about it after they got told "Well your name isn't copyrighted so they haven't broken any rules": https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/30/authors-shocked-to-find-ai-ripoffs-of-their-books-being-sold-on-amazon

This has also been the bane of online creators trying to branch out with a book; their pre-order announcement has led to AI lookalikes popping up to be immediately available for sale months before the real thing releases.

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

stillvisions posted:

This has also been the bane of online creators trying to branch out with a book; their pre-order announcement has led to AI lookalikes popping up to be immediately available for sale months before the real thing releases.

I wonder if it would be better to just suddenly release a book out of the blue. I imagine publishers wouldn't want that though. Does Amazon's algorithm reward a pre-order period?

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

Did this video about the Naked Gun movies stealing jokes yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohV9gyjrd6E

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

Nice one on the recommendation for Majuular in here -- watched his Dark Seed and Harvester vids and they were both excellent!

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"
Youtube Nitpick: Anytime I walk away from the keyboard while playing youtube the next video will always end up being

1. Evermore vid from Jenny Nicholson
2. Line Goes Up from Folding Ideas
3. Vampire Diaries from Jenny Nicholson
4. AVGN full-season megavid

and I am so god damned tired of seeing any of these specific videos.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY4vgK9B8sk

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
I don't know if he's come up in the thread before but I'm enjoying the work of Monty Zander, who does a mix of long and short form game critique, analysis of the first ten minutes of games and why they matter as well as getting his wife to play various games with no previous experience of them. The latter I'm not so interested in but the other stuff? Good fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgwpyes0FFc

LASER BEAM DREAM
Nov 3, 2005

Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

Grassy Knowles posted:

Youtube Nitpick: Anytime I walk away from the keyboard while playing youtube the next video will always end up being

1. Evermore vid from Jenny Nicholson
2. Line Goes Up from Folding Ideas
3. Vampire Diaries from Jenny Nicholson
4. AVGN full-season megavid

and I am so god damned tired of seeing any of these specific videos.

Same, I have watched the first 30 minutes of the first 3 at least 10 times each because of YouTube autoplays. At least they’re getting some of my YouTube premium dollars.

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.
What kind of psychopaths leave YouTube auto play on and just lets it run?

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Brocktoon posted:

What kind of psychopaths leave YouTube auto play on and just lets it run?

I am working on a rollerskate thing and like to watch skate videos while I do that work, but I'll forget to queue enough (or sometimes any cause I'm a doofus) and one of the aforementioned videos will come on. You're right, though--I'm absolutely making the wrong choices in my autoplay settings here and getting what I deserve for it.

tinaun
Jun 9, 2011

                  tell me...

Wait you can give reviews to books on good reads before the official release date? And you don’t even have to verify that you have an advance copy?? Of course poo poo like this will happen. It’s weird that there isn’t a big goodreads alternative at this point, like rateyourmusic vs album of the year vs musicboard, or IMDb vs letterboxd vs critiker for movies.

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017

KingKalamari posted:

And that's really lovely because it not only results in the internet being clogged up by more low-effort content, but I think it has a deeply demoralizing effect on people who want their labor to actually contribute to humanity as a whole. It just feels like all of the jobs have increasingly become ones of managing the under-payed class of gig laborers who do pointless tasks to move money around without actually producing anything of actual value, and that really saddens me.

There's definitely some of that, and on the other side of it, something drives me absolutely insane about the SaaS-ification of everyday life. If I want to do some research and pull book quotes for citations, the least bad way that talks to Apple Books or to Kindle--who limit how many highlights you can pull for some stupid anti-piracy reason, so I mostly use Apple now when I can--is Readwise, who have their hand out for $8/month. Notion has their hand out for $8/month (though at least they recently improved their free plan too, which I actually dropped back to).

It's not the money, I can absolutely afford it, but managing subscriptions just to do basic "move from A to B" poo poo is awful. I used to just be able to pay for this, or at worst write some code (but you have to be buds with the platforms to get access to stuff like highlights from their API!).

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

tinaun posted:

Wait you can give reviews to books on good reads before the official release date? And you don’t even have to verify that you have an advance copy?? Of course poo poo like this will happen. It’s weird that there isn’t a big goodreads alternative at this point, like rateyourmusic vs album of the year vs musicboard, or IMDb vs letterboxd vs critiker for movies.
The same bullshit happens in the board game world on BoardGameGeek.

Basically - they don't want to keep the staff go manage it.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

dwarf74 posted:

Basically - they don't want to keep the staff go manage it.

This is the problem with basically every review aggregator—and really all semi-automated services on the internet. They work really well when maintained by a decently sized and competent staff, but they still kinda-sorta-shittily work with no maintenance at all. Guess which of those two options every business goes with.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Semi Tangential to Internet Creator chat, but Fond My Mind was tracked down and uploaded to Youtube yesterday.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Short video talking about why and how MOBAs are extremely toxic wastedump hellscapes not by accident but as an intentional design decision;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEGbesrj4is

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

tinaun posted:

Wait you can give reviews to books on good reads before the official release date? And you don’t even have to verify that you have an advance copy?? Of course poo poo like this will happen. It’s weird that there isn’t a big goodreads alternative at this point, like rateyourmusic vs album of the year vs musicboard, or IMDb vs letterboxd vs critiker for movies.

Advance copies get so widely spread it's absurd. I got a book from emailing the publisher earlier this year and it wasn't until after writing the goodreads review and seeing none in the language i read it in i realized that i read an advance translation and hid my highlights.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Kevin Defunctland Perjurer making handwiches for charity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rgwcvKkX5Y

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


YMS drama.

https://twitter.com/ChrystalWRox/status/1735726111236165944?s=20

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~
https://twitter.com/2gay2lift/status/1735762043569914211?s=46&t=pYXbrsIUxM-F__2KiH5Cag
lmao

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



usually people are a little more subtle about mobilising their fanbase to make spurious reports

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ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream
Their fans are threatening me with violence just look at this post


quote:

"Hope the door hits you on the rear end on the way out"

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