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Honestly they didn't even need a plot where it gets resolved, they could've just dropped a single line about the Time Lords removing the limit from everyone during the war and called it a day.
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Random Stranger posted:I suspect that Moffat was happy to shuffle things around so that he'd be the one to resolve the regeneration limit question. If he wasn't in charge, then someone might do something weird like say the Doctor was a secret super special Time Lord who could regenerate as many times as they needed and was the source of all Time Lord regeneration and all the Morbius Doctors counted. Let's be fair, that's the funniest part. That was the Doctor Who equivalent of JJ Abrams trying to undo everything that Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi. Just scribbling all over what the last person wrote and yelling "NO, NOT LIKE THAT"
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Dec 14, 2023 20:10
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Davies wrote a short story that was set right before Rose, and it described the Time War in a bunch of crazed psychedelic imagery (iirc Earth was mentioned somewhere with its history being used as ammo for a giant gun or something) and at one point said the Doctor had been reborn and unborn so many times now due to the war that not only didn't he know what regen he was on, he didn't even know how old he was. He wrote it in 2013 right before the show itself wrote out the regeneration limit so it never got published, but the Time War was a good implied way to resolve the whole thing.
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Dec 14, 2023 20:10
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Seeing some of that abstract and time winding stuff would've been interesting. For as big a deal the time war is meant to be, I just kind of have a vague conception of "big war, everyone dying and it sucks" which is all we absolutely need... But using history in a time gun is the kind of poo poo to properly elevate over just another cataclysmic war.
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MikeJF posted:Honestly they didn't even need a plot where it gets resolved, they could've just dropped a single line about the Time Lords removing the limit from everyone during the war and called it a day. I mean, they COULD have. However, the crux of the Time of the Doctor would be non-existent, and then there would be nothing memorable about it. As it stands, the episode works because you've got the Doctor saying "well, I'm out of regenerations, so I'm going to spend every day on Christmas for the rest of my life" and Clara begging the Time Lords to give the Doctor more time, like he saved them in the previous episode.
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Random Stranger posted:I suspect that Moffat was happy to shuffle things around so that he'd be the one to resolve the regeneration limit question. If he wasn't in charge, then someone might do something weird like say the Doctor was a secret super special Time Lord who could regenerate as many times as they needed and was the source of all Time Lord regeneration and all the Morbius Doctors counted. Multiple Morbius Doctors? Granted I wasn't paying attention too much but I only remember one Doctor Who in Morbius.
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Dec 14, 2023 20:20
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It's extremely funny that there was a magic number the first time because most things that ask you to think too hard about the concept make it seem silly. But they really did double-down on that for awhile in the classic series, so they had to explain it away.
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Bicyclops posted:It's extremely funny that there was a magic number the first time because most things that ask you to think too hard about the concept make it seem silly. But they really did double-down on that for awhile in the classic series, so they had to explain it away. They did, but RTD had already done it when the Master came back
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Dec 14, 2023 20:31
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The funniest thing about the regeneration limit is that the Time Lords, in The Five Doctors, flat out offer The Master a brand new regeneration cycle. So even in the classic series the limit had been tossed aside. And The Master wasn't even in a Time Lord body!
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Dec 14, 2023 20:38
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Davros1 posted:The funniest thing about the regeneration limit is that the Time Lords, in The Five Doctors, flat out offer The Master a brand new regeneration cycle. So even in the classic series the limit had been tossed aside. I mean you could argue "Oh no the timelords are gone so they can't" but then RTD brought THEM back as well.
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Dec 14, 2023 20:50
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Fil5000 posted:I mean you could argue "Oh no the timelords are gone so they can't" but then RTD brought THEM back as well. Moffat brought them back 
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Dec 14, 2023 20:51
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I subscribed to a DW fanzine in the 80s and somebody brought that up in the letter column, and the editor’s response was basically “okay nice idea but doing The Thirteen Doctors would just be silly, c’mon” I hope that editor was around for the 50th anniversary special
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Edward Mass posted:Moffat brought them back RTD did first, remember? Timothy Dalton as Rassilon?
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Fil5000 posted:RTD did first, remember? Timothy Dalton as Rassilon?  I try to forget the End of Time, I really do.
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Every time Rassilon's spittle touches you, you get a new regeneration cycle. Just this once, everybody lives, forever!
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Bicyclops posted:Every time Rassilon's spittle touches you, you get a new regeneration cycle. It's a self defense evolutionary trait. Without it he would eventually run out of scenery to chew.
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Dec 14, 2023 21:19
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I wish they'd had him go as full camp as he did in Hot Fuzz.
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Clipperton posted:I subscribed to a DW fanzine in the 80s and somebody brought that up in the letter column, and the editor’s response was basically “okay nice idea but doing The Thirteen Doctors would just be silly, c’mon” “No sir! All thirteen!” made me leap out of my seat, such a great moment.
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I like the regeneration limit as a thing because it does make it seem like something the doctor shouldn't waste trivially. Oh no, I got a pimple ~*MURRAY GOLD*~ HMM new skin, that's weird.
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PriorMarcus posted:Whatever happened to Jamie Mathinson? He put out a short story collection earlier this year. Self-published.
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The_Doctor posted:He put out a short story collection earlier this year. Self-published. Interesting. Has anyone read it? He wrote four episodes for Capaldi and people seemed to enjoy them all, then he vanished entirely.
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Speaking of writers, with only 8 eps per season, wonder how much opportunity there will be for a variety of writers with our new Doctor.
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Khanstant posted:Speaking of writers, with only 8 eps per season, wonder how much opportunity there will be for a variety of writers with our new Doctor. I assume Rusty is doing the opener and the finale, maybe one more (maybe the first part of the finale if they do it as a 2-parter), so 5 slots?
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Fil5000 posted:I wish they'd had him go as full camp as he did in Hot Fuzz. I mean...... didn't he? lol
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I haven't been following things super closely but seeing some stuff suggesting the colourisation of The Daleks wasn't a one off?
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Random Stranger posted:I suspect that Moffat was happy to shuffle things around so that he'd be the one to resolve the regeneration limit question. If he wasn't in charge, then someone might do something weird like say the Doctor was a secret super special Time Lord who could regenerate as many times as they needed and was the source of all Time Lord regeneration and all the Morbius Doctors counted. 2house2fly posted:Davies wrote a short story that was set right before Rose, and it described the Time War in a bunch of crazed psychedelic imagery (iirc Earth was mentioned somewhere with its history being used as ammo for a giant gun or something) and at one point said the Doctor had been reborn and unborn so many times now due to the war that not only didn't he know what regen he was on, he didn't even know how old he was. He wrote it in 2013 right before the show itself wrote out the regeneration limit so it never got published, but the Time War was a good implied way to resolve the whole thing. What if they brought back an obscure villain from 60 years ago and had him use godlike powers to meddle with the Doctor's past so we have idea how many regenerations he has?
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I remember someone asking in this thread over a decade ago if the show was going to end once he hit the regen limit. There were fans that believed this!
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Astroman posted:What if they brought back an obscure villain from 60 years ago and had him use godlike powers to meddle with the Doctor's past so we have idea how many regenerations he has? Nah, it'd only work if you got some big time Broadway star to play the role, and where is Doctor Who gonna find the money for that?
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Gaz-L posted:I haven't been following things super closely but seeing some stuff suggesting the colourisation of The Daleks wasn't a one off? I think RTD’s suggested he’d love to see all the black and white serials colorized, but I don’t think anything has been specifically announced.
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Gaz-L posted:I haven't been following things super closely but seeing some stuff suggesting the colourisation of The Daleks wasn't a one off? There was an interview with the team behind the colour Daleks on Radio Free Skaro about a month ago where they said a second colourisation was coming.
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Gaz-L posted:The Colourisation of The Daleks I love that episode!
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Bicyclops posted:I mean...... didn't he? lol I think he was about 70% of Hot Fuzz level of camp. Like he was clearly directed to play it big as Rassilon but he didn't have the same sort of malicious glee that characterised Simon Skinner.
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Fil5000 posted:I think he was about 70% of Hot Fuzz level of camp. Like he was clearly directed to play it big as Rassilon but he didn't have the same sort of malicious glee that characterised Simon Skinner. I don't think anything can top Simon Skinner though. "I'm a SLASHER...of PRICES!"
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I don't think anything can top Simon Skinner though. "I'm a SLASHER...of PRICES!"
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This joke is funny every single time it turns up in anything. Even the terrible American I.T. Crowd pilot couldn't gently caress it up.
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It was a crying shame they (presumably couldn't) get Dalton back as Rassilon for the Capaldi episodes. It's such a brief appearance but it's absolute rubbish.
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PriorMarcus posted:It was a crying shame they (presumably couldn't) get Dalton back as Rassilon for the Capaldi episodes. It's such a brief appearance but it's absolute rubbish. I don't get this, he's not bad in the role at all. That said, not that Dalton's a bad actor but IMO Donald Sumpter's probably better. Or, at least, has less of a history of just phoning it in.
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