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MarxCarl
Jul 18, 2003

FogHelmut posted:

That's what I would think too, but

Ahh, didn't see that on the Wolftooth page, only thing they have is a mention of a chart on the the regular ReMote page - https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/remote?_pos=3&_sid=2d0609b31&_ss=r

quote:

Compatibility

  • Compatible with all cable actuated dropper posts.
  • Works with dropper posts that have the barrel end of the cable at the remote and those that have the barrel end at the post.

  • If your post is not listed in the charts below, measure the pivot center to end of your current lever. If it is greater than 52mm the Light Action will work best. If it is less than 52mm, the Standard ReMote will work best.

but there's no chart on the page for droppers, just mount point compatibility for Shimano and SRAM brake levers.

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oXDemosthenesXo
May 9, 2005
Grimey Drawer
Love the dropper remote nerd chat, thanks for all the input.

I might try the 360 just for fun. I don't have any dexterity issues I'm just a sucker for weird UI things.

Scrapez
Feb 27, 2004

That Wolf Tooth one just looks awesome. I would have bought one just for the look had I known they existed.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Another option for thumb dexterity or strength issues is the axs reverb, but $$$. A guy I know had his shop take apart a grip shifter and get it to actuate his dropper (he also uses one on the other side to shift).

I've been through a few dropper posts and levers, went from standard wolf tooth to light action mostly because it put the paddle in a better place on my sram brakes, which I run pretty far in. Tucks up against the brake nicely with the mmx clamp. Only thing I don't like is that it's kind of sharp and I catch the back of my thumb on it sometimes. Used with a transfer, transfer sl, and a bikeyoke divine sl. The "sl" posts take very little force to actuate. Other bike I have a bontrager droplock combo dropper and lockout deal. Kind of bulky but I like it and the dropper lever has a lot of leverage and feels pretty nice. Lockout is like a toggle push to lock and unlock deal so only two paddles.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
9point8 makes a “trigger” style lever that is designed to go in front of the bars (either side), like a miniature brake lever.



I’ve never given much thought to how important it is or isn’t to be able to pull the brake lever with the thumb and hit a dropper remote with the thumb at the same time. I think that I’d still want to be able to do that even if it doesn’t come up much. I’d at least put such a lever on the same side as the rear brakes and not the front.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
We had a cool change here so I went for a long, uninterrupted session on the mountain. Did a bunch of blue climbs and then the blue flow trail down a couple times.

Didn't see too many lads out there climbing but heaps doing the downhill runs which is good to see.

Nohearum
Nov 2, 2013
Kona is having a BOGO sale on Process full bikes. Time to find a friend that also wants a new bike.
https://www.konaworld.com/collections/process-bogo

Scrapez
Feb 27, 2004

My bike came with Maxxis Assegai front and rear and tubes installed. I've had difficulty maintaining enough speed on downhill hardpack flow/jump lines. My hardtail rolled so much faster.

Today, I changed the rear to a DHR II and went tubeless and it made a HUGE improvement. I went to one of the trails I session often and wasn't even trying to go fast and broke my Strava PR by 8 seconds. Did it in 49 seconds and previous record was 57 seconds going as fast as I could.

I don't know if it was more a product of going tubeless or the rear tire change. Likely a combination of the two. Feels so much better now. I'm excited to get out on some of the trails where I was casing jumps due to lack of speed to see if this will help.

Bonus pictures of this weekends adventures in Bentonville:






Setec_Astronomy
Mar 10, 2003

there's nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation can't prolong

Scrapez posted:

I don't know if it was more a product of going tubeless or the rear tire change.

My guess would be rear tire; it's amazing how much difference the right tread pattern makes.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
Yeah I'm surprised the bike came with assegais front AND rear, that's generally a front specific tyre. DHR is definitely the right call for the rear for sure.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

VelociBacon posted:

When I was growing up, myself and 40 other u18 downhill racers got our cheeks clapped by a guy nobody knew on a planet-X hardtail with Jr. T's. I had forgotten all about this trauma until just now, thanks thread.
Those types of dudes are always impressive. My LBS owner *houses* everyone at every ride he shows up to, it's so funny.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
Opinions on Cushcore for trail riding? Will do a tubeless swap when I need to replace the tyres and I've heard good things besides being hard to install.

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


abigserve posted:

Opinions on Cushcore for trail riding? Will do a tubeless swap when I need to replace the tyres and I've heard good things besides being hard to install.

Are you denting rims or blowing tires off? Probably unnecessary weight and expense if not

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

abigserve posted:

Opinions on Cushcore for trail riding? Will do a tubeless swap when I need to replace the tyres and I've heard good things besides being hard to install.

Depends on where you ride imo. Colorado and areas with a lot of rocks I think inserts are super helpful.

If you ride in Michigan, not needed.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
I ride the lightweight inserts and it seems worthwhile. In my gravel wheels especially since there's no suspension and less tire volume between the rim and ground. I have vittorias in those wheels, and then a vittoria air liner light in the back of my hei hei, and a tubolight sl in my hardtail. I had tubolights in both mtbs but after awhile the one got a little bit shredded up so it seemed like it was doing something useful. Both bikes also have carbon wheels and flimsy xc tires I like to ride at low pressures.

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

Aphex- posted:

Yeah I'm surprised the bike came with assegais front AND rear, that's generally a front specific tyre. DHR is definitely the right call for the rear for sure.

I don't know if I'd go that far; Ibis specs the Ripmo with Assegai front and rear and has for years, for example. Not saying that you're wrong about the DHR being the right call here, but I don't think assegai rear is a surprising choice for (what I think is) a ~170mm travel e-bike.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

abigserve posted:

Opinions on Cushcore for trail riding? Will do a tubeless swap when I need to replace the tyres and I've heard good things besides being hard to install.

I liked the less deformation of the tire at lower pressures, generally leading to more controlled grip as the wheel leans over and a tire would otherwise squirm. You can definitely feel the cushcore sit down on the edge and keep the tire wall in place. Not for nothing, but they come stock with green replacement valve stems that you need to use (unless you have Fillmore stems or the like), otherwise the insert will seal off your normal valve opening. And I didn't like that color accent on my bike :colbert:

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

Steve French posted:

I don't know if I'd go that far; Ibis specs the Ripmo with Assegai front and rear and has for years, for example. Not saying that you're wrong about the DHR being the right call here, but I don't think assegai rear is a surprising choice for (what I think is) a ~170mm travel e-bike.

Ah yeah totally overlooked the fact that it was an ebike! My girlfriend runs Schwalbe Magic Marys front and rear on her Scott Genius ebike, who cares about a little extra drag when you've got an 85nm motor!

I tried out cushcore on my rear tyre in the summer for a couple of rides but really didn't get on with it. It made the rear feel heavy and dead, like there was just no feedback except a really muted feeling. I ride pretty technical and chunky stuff a lot of the time and haven't really felt any more need to have inserts, my rims remain un-dinged so far.

Eejit
Mar 6, 2007

Swiss Army Cockatoo
Cacatua multitoolii

Yeah my Ripmo has assegais front and rear. I think they're a pretty decent all around tire having ridden my last bike with minions. But I'm also not good enough for the difference between minions and assegais to matter.

I fatally dented a rim in Loma last month about 5 minutes into climbing Mary's. It was a very sad day. I don't even know how it happened, nothing rad had happened yet.

Steve French
Sep 8, 2003

I cracked the rim on my DH bike on my last run (lol) of my last park day of the season last year at trestle. And it had cushcore in it.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I serviced my lowers.

gently caress yeah small bump compliance is back. :cabot:

Homers BBBq
Mar 11, 2008

Platystemon posted:

I serviced my lowers.

gently caress yeah small bump compliance is back. :cabot:

I'm trying to figure out my suspension service because there is so much conflicting information out there. Interested what others here do now that we are heading into the offseason.

According to the fox website, the only service interval for my Fox 36 grip 2 is a "full service" at 125 hours or yearly, which includes inspection, damper rebuild, air spring rebuild, and bath oil and wiper replacement. Same for the shock.

I'm coming up on 1 year but only had about 75 hours. Maybe I'm wrong but a full damper and air spring rebuild seems excessive as everything feels fine and I'm under the 125 hours by a good amount. I also don't ride in an extreme muddy environment and only had a few DH park days.

The bath oil and wiper replacement makes sense as something to service at the 1 year mark as these can break down over time, not just by hours. This is the same as the "lowers" service correct? This seems reasonable to do myself.

Similarly for the shock, air can service seems reasonable over a full damper rebuild at this point.

Assuming I ride about the same amount in 2024, would it be reasonable to perform the bath oil and wiper on the fork and air can service on the shock this offseason and then send both off to Fox next year for the full rebuilds?

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
Yeah the general rule is a lowers service every 50 hours or so. Full services I take it to my local suspension servicing place, that's once a year.

Also I highly, highly recommend getting your suspension professionally setup if at all possible. There are so many variables and so many changes that you can do that can make such a massive difference in how your bike handles and feels, that investing in a proper setup session is so unbelievably worth it. It will make your bike feel night and day compared to stock settings.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost
I took a class on serving my forks and shocks, and it was worth every penny.

Homers BBBq
Mar 11, 2008

Aphex- posted:

Yeah the general rule is a lowers service every 50 hours or so. Full services I take it to my local suspension servicing place, that's once a year.

Also I highly, highly recommend getting your suspension professionally setup if at all possible. There are so many variables and so many changes that you can do that can make such a massive difference in how your bike handles and feels, that investing in a proper setup session is so unbelievably worth it. It will make your bike feel night and day compared to stock settings.

I appreciate the feedback but this is why I ask... as far as I can tell, the 50 hour lower service is outdated and a hold over from older forks that required that service at that interval. All newer fox forks only have the 125 hour full service interval I mentioned. Doing a lower service at 50 hours sort of feels like changing my car oil at 3000 miles even though the service interval is 10k. It can't hurt but may be overkill.

Fox also claims they are the only ones who can do a full service:

"Certified FOX technicians are the only suspension specialists in North America trained by FOX Factory and hold current FOX suspension accreditation."

LBS I'm sure can do it and this is just marketing but you need to be clear what your local place is doing for the price.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

Homers BBBq posted:

I appreciate the feedback but this is why I ask... as far as I can tell, the 50 hour lower service is outdated and a hold over from older forks that required that service at that interval. All newer fox forks only have the 125 hour full service interval I mentioned. Doing a lower service at 50 hours sort of feels like changing my car oil at 3000 miles even though the service interval is 10k. It can't hurt but may be overkill.

Fox also claims they are the only ones who can do a full service:

"Certified FOX technicians are the only suspension specialists in North America trained by FOX Factory and hold current FOX suspension accreditation."

LBS I'm sure can do it and this is just marketing but you need to be clear what your local place is doing for the price.

I have a local suspension workshop (Sprung Suspension) who service every brand of fork and shock available. They've got experience on the world cup downhill circuit and I've chatted with their guys a lot. They all do lowers services on their own bikes probably once every month or two, it's not overkill. It will prolong the life of your forks as well as keep them supple and sensitive off the top for longer. There's no harm in doing it more often. I generally do it once every three months or so but I also have a coil fork which is less susceptible to losing sensitivity, also I'm lazy. I was out in the Alps for two weeks this summer with one of the Sprung guys, and they did a lowers service before the trip, then halfway through the trip on his fox 49s. The difference was huge only after one week!

I guess it's luck of the draw if you're near a FOX certified technician but you might try asking at your LBS if there are any around.

I do the lowers myself because it's easy and I don't need any special tools really, but when I need a full service (lowers, damper, bushing resize, seal replacement, full rebuild etc) I take it to them because they know exactly what they're doing. Generally once a year is good for that type of service for your average rider.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Homers BBBq posted:

I appreciate the feedback but this is why I ask... as far as I can tell, the 50 hour lower service is outdated and a hold over from older forks that required that service at that interval. All newer fox forks only have the 125 hour full service interval I mentioned. Doing a lower service at 50 hours sort of feels like changing my car oil at 3000 miles even though the service interval is 10k. It can't hurt but may be overkill.

If I had only been worried about debris and old oil shortening the life of the moving parts, I might have put it off, but like I said, service restored small bump compliance, which I knew wasn’t as good as it could have been.

People will say stuff like “I ride all the time and haven’t had the fork serviced in five years, and it still performs like new”, and I know that they’re full of poo poo. They just forgot what “good” feels like. Could Fox’s stuff go twice as long between service as my RockShox and still feel alright, though? Yeah maybe.

I’d change the oil more often in my car if it made it perform better in a meaningful way.

Homers BBBq
Mar 11, 2008
Yeah I was thinking exactly like you said... lower service is to prolong the life of moving parts but I haven't done it to see how the performance improves.

I'm going to pull the fork and shock and send it in to fox. I don't mind sending it in as we have a few months of off season here. I'll also plan to get the materials for the lowers service and do it mid-season next year to see how it feels as has been suggested.

I just don't understand why fox wouldn't list the 50 hour service as optional in their literature. If you look back at old forks on their website, it mentions the oil change at lower intervals specifically. They deliberately eliminated it on newer forks but seems like many still swear by it.

Agrinja
Nov 30, 2013

Praise the Sun!

Total Clam
I just snagged a Cannondale Habi HT 3. I want a basic hardtail and this seems like A great way to start. Now I just have to wait.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


Go home rhino, you don’t belong in Arkansas

Scrapez
Feb 27, 2004

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Go home rhino, you don’t belong in Arkansas

Interestingly, the rhino sits atop The President Bush Push. Is this some sort of veiled shot at the former president being a RINO (Republican In Name Only)? Guessing just a coincidence.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I’ll respect a dirt road climb of twenty-two percent grade for a hundred metres, but only because the man was sixty-four years old at the time.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

now watch this ride

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

taqueso posted:

now watch this ride

Slightly less dramatic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5FoL0pur9Q&t=131s

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Platystemon posted:

I’ll respect a dirt road climb of twenty-two percent grade for a hundred metres, but only because the man was sixty-four years old at the time.

its because he was being chased by the malevolent ghost of a small iraqi child

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Not mentioned: his buddy and training partner Lance Armstrong had the lead.

Agrinja
Nov 30, 2013

Praise the Sun!

Total Clam
Is Super Rider a good channel to learn from? Are there any good learning channels for fundies I am missing?

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


Agrinja posted:

Is Super Rider a good channel to learn from? Are there any good learning channels for fundies I am missing?

Ben Cathro's learn to ride series - on the pinkbike youtube channel I think

Agrinja
Nov 30, 2013

Praise the Sun!

Total Clam
Thanks much! Anybody have a rec for a good bike discord? I'm going to be doing a mix of the woods and my city.

Agrinja fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Dec 20, 2023

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brand engager
Mar 23, 2011

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

Ben Cathro's learn to ride series - on the pinkbike youtube channel I think

Might be this one, just finished watching it recently https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQCfPUTFFOkmsIbQkvW2L6YM6KOLy8ElD

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