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I've used a pneumatic finish nailer for years and never minded it until recently when I bought a battery powered framing nailer to put up a fence with. It was fantastic, and I now haunt every tool sale I see waiting for a good deal on a battery powered finish nailer. (I can't quite justify buying at retail since, you know, I already have a functioning finish nailer).
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The beauty of an electric nailer is that you don't need to get out the compressor to drive a nail. If you just want to drive a few nails at a time, maybe that's a benefit. If you're planning on doing a big project with lots of nailing, less of a big deal.
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Dec 13, 2023 22:39
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Another thing to consider (cuz I just watched a video and that thing is way bigger than I thought) is that holding a big battery + tool up above your head is probably gonna be much more tiring than just holding up a pneumatic nailer. The electric nailers are also a bit slower between shots, but that probably doesn't matter unless you are framing or nailing up a bunch of sheathing or shingles or something. Your use case of 'occasionally need to nail some stuff without much messing around' is sort of the ideal for a cordless nailer but also the one that probably least justifies the high cost, so I guess the question is just how much is convenience worth to you?
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Dec 13, 2023 23:00
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Slugworth posted:I've used a pneumatic finish nailer for years and never minded it until recently when I bought a battery powered framing nailer to put up a fence with. It was fantastic, and I now haunt every tool sale I see waiting for a good deal on a battery powered finish nailer. (I can't quite justify buying at retail since, you know, I already have a functioning finish nailer). The Ryobi is at $140 + $15 shipping on DTO right now but that's not a great sale really: https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/product/P326 darn tools price history: https://darn.tools/products.html?modelNumber=P326 Sale price isn't necessarily bad though either. They're holding it at that price though which pisses me off, since there was just a 40% sale and it was excluded at "Final Price", yet earlier this year it was as low as $110.
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Dec 13, 2023 23:36
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I had a bad experience with the Ryobi airstrike finish nailer. It wasn't consistently firing brads (like 1 in 3, and I did every troubleshooting I could) and was a gigantic pain in the end. I just returned the thing.
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Dec 14, 2023 00:22
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deimos posted:Is that the one TOT praised? I believe so, it's been pretty great in the year I've had it...
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Dec 14, 2023 03:08
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CommonShore posted:I had a bad experience with the Ryobi airstrike finish nailer. It wasn't consistently firing brads (like 1 in 3, and I did every troubleshooting I could) and was a gigantic pain in the end. I just returned the thing. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Dec 14, 2023 03:50
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CommonShore posted:I had a bad experience with the Ryobi airstrike finish nailer. It wasn't consistently firing brads (like 1 in 3, and I did every troubleshooting I could) and was a gigantic pain in the end. I just returned the thing. Wow, you must have got a dud or maybe they've gone downhill. I don't think I've had a misfire in the 6 years and hundreds of nails I've fired with mine. Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Another thing to consider (cuz I just watched a video and that thing is way bigger than I thought) is that holding a big battery + tool up above your head is probably gonna be much more tiring than just holding up a pneumatic nailer. The electric nailers are also a bit slower between shots, but that probably doesn't matter unless you are framing or nailing up a bunch of sheathing or shingles or something. The other thing with the size is getting it into tight spaces, when I was doing some shelves for closet built-ins there was a few situations where it was just too bulky and I had to drive nails by hand, a pneumatic probably would have fit. Not a big deal for me, but for someone doing it for a living, maybe.
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Dec 14, 2023 03:59
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:I guess the question is just how much is convenience worth to you? I answered this question to myself years ago and told myself, extremely little. It's a black hole that will suck you in and not let go.
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Dec 14, 2023 07:05
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I have both framing and brad nail battery guns. The framing is ok but the brad nailer is loving awesome. I trimmed my entire house and crown molding with it and I can't imagine how lovely that job would've been with air. Battery lasts forever too so you don't need a big heavy 4 or 5ah battery on it. I honestly haven't used the framing nailer enough to have justified buying it but hey that's tools. I have no regrets because the convenience of not dealing with a loud, heavy air tank and hose easily outweighs any negatives.
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Dec 14, 2023 15:31
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I should add that I lent my air brad nailer and a tiny compressor to someone who is finishing an interior with only a couple of solar panels for electrical and they're doing a ton of work with it - charge the compressor, drive some brads, plug it back in, measure and line up the next set of stuff, rinse and repeat. They have battery powered tools too, but they're not proving as reliable.
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Dec 14, 2023 17:00
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My middle ground was to buy the Milwaukee M18 air compressor (2 gallons I think). Very portable and lets me use air nailers almost as easily as battery powered ones. As infrequently as I need them it's proving to be a good balance and lets me have a small air compressor available for other things too.
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Dec 14, 2023 17:07
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Your use case of 'occasionally need to nail some stuff without much messing around' is sort of the ideal for a cordless nailer but also the one that probably least justifies the high cost, so I guess the question is just how much is convenience worth to you? Typically a lot tbh because convenience is what lets me impulsively knock a project out instead of getting stuck dithering or playing video games  But the points about comparative cost of compressor + air nailer (+ value of then having a platform for air tools) are good ones.
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Dec 14, 2023 17:35
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Trabant posted:Hey, appropriately* enough this came out earlier today:
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Apropos of my earlier ramble about buying into DeWalt cordless: one of the “free” pack-in options if you buy the nicer Driver/Drill combo is a 6Ah 20+60V FlexVolt battery. Is that worth getting over one of the tools (at this point the two contenders are prolly the XR jigsaw and the XR 20V full-size recip)? The ads say that you get more runtime (and more power if they’re FlexVolt compatible) with 20V tools, but more importantly—there would likely be a circular saw added to the stable sooner rather than later. Would it be worth spending the additional ~$50 on the 60V saw vs the 20V if I forego a free tool and get the big battery instead? What are the gains/losses in real world terms? (At the end of the day you end up saving like $130-200, regardless of route taken, and it’s not like he/I wouldn’t get a jigsaw or whatever when the need arose. I guess this is more about whether the more expensive battery is worth buying into at all) DeWalt says a bunch of “the flexibility of battery + the power of corded” and I have a (~30 year old) corded saw to compare to, but I don’t actually know what that means for my dad/me, who will be frequently borrowing the tools. The only other 60V tool he’d likely get is the 60v recip saw, and mayyyyybe a chainsaw?, so mostly this is about 1-3 handheld saws and otherwise the benefit would be to 20V tools. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Dec 14, 2023 19:06
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Ok Comboomer posted:Apropos of my earlier ramble about buying into DeWalt cordless: one of the “free” pack-in options if you buy the nicer Driver/Drill combo is a 6Ah 20+60V FlexVolt battery. I don't think it would be worth it for a drill/driver. Those have more than enough power with the standard battery or even powerstack. The Flexvolt batteries are also much bigger and heavier than the 20v so it makes your tools heavier and cumbersome to work with. I have the Flexvolt chainsaw and leaf blower and that's where those batteries really shine. I'd look into a powerstack bundle before I'd go into the flexvolt for what you're describing.
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Dec 14, 2023 19:21
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wandler20 posted:I don't think it would be worth it for a drill/driver. Those have more than enough power with the standard battery or even powerstack. The Flexvolt batteries are also much bigger and heavier than the 20v so it makes your tools heavier and cumbersome to work with. I have the Flexvolt chainsaw and leaf blower and that's where those batteries really shine. I'd look into a powerstack bundle before I'd go into the flexvolt for what you're describing. what about the circular saw and/or recip? I can definitely see it mattering with a chainsaw, although he might already have an EGO one, I have to check. I think he may have broken it, tbh. Edit: and where do FlexVolt Advantage(TM) tools fit in all of this? Seems like an in-between solution that doesn’t rly make sense if 1) you have to buy the big battery anyway 2) the 60V tool is $50 more expensive and you’re already dropping ~$300+ on just the tool. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Dec 14, 2023 |
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Dec 14, 2023 19:31
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Ok Comboomer posted:what about the circular saw and/or recip? I can definitely see it mattering with a chainsaw, although he might already have an EGO one, I have to check. I think he may have broken it, tbh. I've never had any issues with power with my 20v circular saw or reciprocating saw (I have the XR version of each). I think you'd have to be doing some serious work to justify the Flexvolt stuff (outside of maybe a few tools). Also, the Flexvolt batteries are really expensive if you want to add more down the line. You can find deals for free 5AH batteries with a bare tool purchase all the time. These are just my experiences tho.
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Dec 14, 2023 19:42
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I want a router. But which?
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Yeah they're reasonable. I think you can get this and this and be close to 150 funny money before VAT if you watch for holiday sales The good brand of woodworking tools I like is Festool or DeWalt but you'd be paying a premium.
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Dec 16, 2023 13:42
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Just to chime in on battery powered nail guns: I’d highly recommend noticing what other folks are saying and… buying one that isn’t Makita. As a Makita household originally, I’ve come to find their limitations and good god their nailers made me think I didn’t know how to use one for some reason. They’re heavier, slower, and seem to be overall shittier than their competitors (both team red and yellow seem to have much better ones, hell the Ryobi talked about was better than Makita’s). They’re good on a lot of things but carpentry tools often ain’t one of them.
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Mustache Ride posted:Yeah they're reasonable. I think you can get this and this and be close to 150 funny money before VAT if you watch for holiday sales That looks good, but do I need to care about the power output of the thing compared to a mains powered one? Will I compromise on how fast I can do stuff? I ask because the cordless drills I have are poo poo at making holes in masonry compared to an ancient mains powered hammer drill I have.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:That looks good, but do I need to care about the power output of the thing compared to a mains powered one? Will I compromise on how fast I can do stuff? I ask because the cordless drills I have are poo poo at making holes in masonry compared to an ancient mains powered hammer drill I have. IDK anything about UK brands to know which is better/more reliable, but this is more like what I would look for given your requirements: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trend-T7EK...394&sr=1-4&th=1 https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-er2100-2100w-1-2-electric-router-220-240v/535fx e: if you ask in the woodworking thread you may get some more answers. I know there are a few UK goons there.
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Dec 16, 2023 19:26
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That's good to know regarding the collet size. For dust collection, is it something people bother with, or is it pissing in the wind?
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Dec 16, 2023 19:28
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:That's good to know regarding the collet size. For dust collection, is it something people bother with, or is it pissing in the wind? I'm sure quality of dust collection varies, but it can make a world of difference on something as messy as a router. Go from being covered in chips to having nearly no cleanup depending on what you are routing.
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Dec 16, 2023 19:49
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:That's good to know regarding the collet size. For dust collection, is it something people bother with, or is it pissing in the wind?
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Dec 16, 2023 19:49
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 Typical Ryobi December use
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tater_salad posted:
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For big jobs with a router like flattening a slab, I think the most effective dust collection is two dust masks: one for you, and one for the person following you holding the shop vac hose next to the router.
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Dec 18, 2023 09:24
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I have to cut a bunch of foil faced polyiso insulation into squares, am I on the right track thinking my circ saw + track plus a blade like this is gonna be the easiest way? https://marshalltown.com/pro-3403-centerfire-circular-rigid-foam-blade?variantItemId=29966
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Dec 18, 2023 14:47
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Is it too thick for a knife? You could use a hand saw or even a sawzall
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It’s 2”. A sawzall would surely work I just figured a toothed blade would make an unholy mess.
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Dec 18, 2023 16:09
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What is the purpose where you need clean cut insulation boards? Is this some new finish carpentry I've not heard of?
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Dec 18, 2023 16:16
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Picked up a Ridgid octane cordless trim router at DTO for $55 yesterday. Is Ridgid as a brand dying? The offerings since the DTO kerfuffle have been abysmal and I’m knee deep in Orange at my house. I am a mid level wood and auto tool user so the cost/quality value appealed to me.
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Dec 18, 2023 16:18
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the yeti posted:It’s 2”. Frequently, (but not always) you can cut the foil side with a knife as deep as you can and then break the pieces after.
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Dec 18, 2023 16:47
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USE THE POWER TOOL
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Jenkl posted:What is the purpose where you need clean cut insulation boards? Is this some new finish carpentry I've not heard of? Its less that I need clean edges and more cutting a bunch of them and wanting to minimize foam dust. Old house, sealing and insulating rim joist pockets. wesleywillis posted:Frequently, (but not always) you can cut the foil side with a knife as deep as you can and then break the pieces after. Yeah, that’s what I do with like 1” XPS but I’ve no experience with thicker material; it seemed likely it’s too thick to score and break.
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the yeti posted:Its less that I need clean edges and more cutting a bunch of them and wanting to minimize foam dust. Old house, sealing and insulating rim joist pockets. You need a proper insulation knife for this if you want to make the least amount of mess. This is the kind of thing I've used in the past: https://www.amazon.com/CenterFire-Insulation-Knife-cutting-insulation/dp/B0096A7968
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the yeti posted:Its less that I need clean edges and more cutting a bunch of them and wanting to minimize foam dust. Old house, sealing and insulating rim joist pockets. My gut says there's gotta be cheaper ways to achieve this effect, but I've not actually been able to identify one (oh wait, I think Mo just posted one). Can you cut outside? Edit: you are the yeti of course you can!
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ThirstyBuck posted:Picked up a Ridgid octane cordless trim router at DTO for $55 yesterday. Just on DTO, probably, maybe. BeAuMaN posted:So a fellow goon on a goon discord pointed this out to me (Not sure what their SA name is):
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