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Arena is a lot more toxic than MTGO despite not even having a chat box. I've played leagues and challenges where you assemble a lock/combo that requires a decent amount of clicking and usually your opponent will concede if they have no outs instead of making you play it out. If you're laddering for zero stakes on Arena, even in Mythic bracket, most of the time the opponent will rope you or waste both of your time if you're on a combo deck. I think the client resembling a mobile game sends secret signals to peoples brains to make them go crazy.
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Captain Invictus posted:I don't think that's the case, I think people on arena often just suck like that idk, I catch his stream a few times at work, and I don't get roped like 1/10 the amount of times he does, even discounting the obvious stream/queue sniping. Maybe that's just at higher ranks where that is the accepted practice, I don't usually get above plat in constructed or gold in limited. Though I don't watch a lot of pro players stream because most of them aren't very good at streaming, so maybe that's just a normal reaction to getting matched up against a name you recognize?
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Dec 15, 2023 16:03
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YggdrasilTM posted:
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Dec 15, 2023 16:23
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/Chosler/status/1735397252997558344 I’m in the same boat, if you’re just using Magic Arena as Draft Crack packs are worthless
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Dec 15, 2023 17:56
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fadam posted:I think the client resembling a mobile game sends secret signals to peoples brains to make them go crazy. I, and I'm sure lots of other people, only play it on my phone. Some sometimes the rope may be due needing to take a phone call and forgetting to concede.
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Dec 15, 2023 18:18
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Half my ropes are when arena crashed on my phone and I didn't feel motivated enough or it took too long to get back online
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Dec 15, 2023 18:20
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I am playing this really slow combo deck for no stakes, why are people not respecting my time?
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Dec 15, 2023 18:39
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The people playing slow control decks are the absolute worst about alt-tabbing out.
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Dec 15, 2023 18:50
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I always make every combo deck play out its combo unless the combo also requires me to click. If I have something I can do like sac a Blood I'll just do it for no value to dump my priority then let them keep on their thing. I won't rope or anything unsportsmanlike, but I also don't owe Scurry Oak guy 5 minutes of his life back while I've got youtube pulled up on another monitor.
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Dec 15, 2023 19:11
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Huxley posted:I always make every combo deck play out its combo unless the combo also requires me to click. If I have something I can do like sac a Blood I'll just do it for no value to dump my priority then let them keep on their thing. I won't rope or anything unsportsmanlike, but I also don't owe Scurry Oak guy 5 minutes of his life back while I've got youtube pulled up on another monitor. This very fair. I think fadam and is mostly talking about people being salty and intentionally making the process take as long as they by abusing the rope system for the crime of playing the wrong deck, which happens a lot regardless of deck type. People just hate losing and then get really pouty about it
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Dec 15, 2023 19:18
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Huxley posted:I always make every combo deck play out its combo unless the combo also requires me to click. If I have something I can do like sac a Blood I'll just do it for no value to dump my priority then let them keep on their thing. I won't rope or anything unsportsmanlike, but I also don't owe Scurry Oak guy 5 minutes of his life back while I've got youtube pulled up on another monitor. especially in Bo3 when they're fighting both their match timer and arena's rope, sometimes they're just forced to end their combo prematurely, or burn enough of their clock that they can't win game 3 in time
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Dec 15, 2023 19:18
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Not every combo is deterministic though. If you're playing Golgari Storm you can easily die without hitting any of your storm cards. Make em play it out.
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Dec 15, 2023 19:19
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I think time is one of the biggest reasons I don't play Magic online (and don't usually keep up with it when I try to get into it). If you don't want to spend real cardboard money on fake cardboard, you're expected to pour countless hours into grinding just to get wild cards just to get the staples you need (and then the more niche stuff after that), and on top of that, playing even a single round feels so sluggish sometimes with people hemming and hawing and roping and the game itself (naturally) going through each step and phase of each turn. In person games tend to feel a lot more snappy and fast paced when you can both mutually shortcut things.
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Dec 15, 2023 19:19
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Yeah, obviously if you have an out or you want to see what they're running in a Pact deck (although this does really suck for the guy clicking all the Pact triggers away lol) or if you're unsure how a combo works (I once had a guy explain the old Pioneer Kethis combo to me while he won with it twice just because I didn't get it) it makes sense to get them to play it out, but if you're completely dead to a combo once they spend a minute or two building storm or resolving Amalia triggers or something I think it makes sense to just concede. You'll probably get more win% out of a session by just moving on with your life than you will shaving a bit of time off your opponents clock. It's a free country tho so if you really want to watch YouTube while I hunt for a Stitcher's Supplier over and over I'll just have to suck it up.
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Dec 15, 2023 19:26
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TheKingofSprings posted:I’m in the same boat, if you’re just using Magic Arena as Draft Crack packs are worthless That's not true though, is it? Once you start opening duplicates of things you get gems that can be used for more drafts. And you can use saved up wildcards/vaults to craft those cards and speed up the rate of getting duplicates.
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Dec 15, 2023 20:29
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A Moose posted:idk what it is, but every time I see him play constructed, his opponents are either stream sniping, or making a deck specifically to counter his deck and trying to queue against him, or just salt roping. Why does everyone on arena hate him so much? Maybe it's because of thumbnails like that?
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Dec 15, 2023 20:48
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rickiep00h posted:Maybe it's because of thumbnails like that? If anything I would have assumed it was his sound board.
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Dec 15, 2023 20:51
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Maybe they just hate Mondays?
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Dec 15, 2023 22:39
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TheKingofSprings posted:I’m in the same boat, if you’re just using Magic Arena as Draft Crack packs are worthless Shouldn't you be opening them so you can get gems instead of rares when you are drafting, then?
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Dec 16, 2023 03:58
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Framboise posted:In person games tend to feel a lot more snappy and fast paced when you can both mutually shortcut things. For me shuffling at the start of a game and then maybe 1 or 2 mulligan means in paper the time to just get a game underway can be longer than some arena games take to play out. Doesn't feel as long but sure takes forever to actually play.
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Dec 16, 2023 12:38
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Framboise posted:you're expected to pour countless hours into grinding just to get wild cards just to get the staples you need (and then the more niche stuff after that) It really comes down if spending those countless hours feels fun or not. I have fun just grinding coins from quests for quick drafts playing a little bit of ladder and retreating back to starter deck duels when ladder gets too intense.
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Dec 16, 2023 16:31
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i play the game when its fun, and then dont for months at a time in between sets. I have literally every card on the client and have not spent a dollar in years. its really, really bad if you want to just hop into the new format as a brand new player but if you like to play regularly you can start to build a giant collection of wildcards etc without having to worry about grinding or whatever. just play when its fun and dont stress
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Dec 16, 2023 18:18
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If I discard a card to Indomitus Rex, can I pick the backside of the card, if it’s double sided and the transform side is a creature?
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Dec 16, 2023 23:09
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Sexual Aluminum posted:If I discard a card to Indomitus Rex, can I pick the backside of the card, if it’s double sided and the transform side is a creature? Cards are only their front side when not on the battlefield or stack. So you cannot choose the back side 712.8a While a double-faced card is outside the game or in a zone other than the battlefield or stack, it has only the characteristics of its front face.
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Strong Sauce posted:Cards are only their front side when not on the battlefield or stack. So you cannot choose the back side Boooo Thanks, but boooo
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Dec 17, 2023 00:21
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Time posted:i play the game when its fun, and then dont for months at a time in between sets. I have literally every card on the client and have not spent a dollar in years. its really, really bad if you want to just hop into the new format as a brand new player. I've been looking at a lot of these lists and I think expensive is a bit much, especially comparing to paper prices. You can make ~85% of these lists for approx 150 dollars (40 rare WC @ 100, 8 mythics @ 40) of purchased wildcards and 20 minutes of entering promo codes on a totally new account. These are like 600-1000 dollar decks in paper, so I guess it just seems a little more reasonable an entry point for some people, even if it doesn't exactly mirror a paper format. Doesn't put the whole format at your fingertips or anything, but for the most part it seems pretty reasonable?
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Dec 17, 2023 02:45
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150 dollars is a lot for a whole videogame, let alone a single deck for one. Can't really fault someone for not thinking it's a good exchange.
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Dec 17, 2023 02:53
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I mean you could lose $150 easily in value trying to resell your $1000 paper deck so idk what the big deal is
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Eej posted:I mean you could lose $150 easily in value trying to resell your $1000 paper deck so idk what the big deal is
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Dec 17, 2023 05:08
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Eej posted:I mean you could lose $150 easily in value trying to resell your $1000 paper deck so idk what the big deal is I love arena but this is a stupid line of thought
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HootTheOwl posted:Now do the math on how much you lose trying to resell a 1000 dollar arena deck who's spending $1000 on a arena deck
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Eej posted:who's spending $1000 on a arena deck Every dollar spent on arena has no resell value and thus makes your original point kind of silly.
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Eej posted:who's spending $1000 on a arena deck For the comparison to be apt, the dollar amount needs to be the same
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Dec 17, 2023 14:49
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If you can either buy a car for £100 with no ability to resell, or buy the same one for £1000 with the option to sell it at some point for £800, you're not better off with option 2 just because you can't sell the first
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Dec 17, 2023 14:57
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distortion park posted:If you can either buy a car for £100 with no ability to resell, or buy the same one for £1000 with the option to sell it at some point for £800, you're not better off with option 2 just because you can't sell the first Card prices, famously, have never gone up
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Dec 17, 2023 15:07
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simply play well and arena is free
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HootTheOwl posted:Now do the math on how much you lose trying to resell a 1000 dollar arena deck This, jokes aside. I spent a long time putting way too much money into dumb gacha games with nothing to speak of for it now that I've quit, I'm not really too inclined to start dumping money into a video game for digital game pieces again. Time posted:simply play well and arena is free see but here's the thing i do not play well 
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Time posted:simply play well and arena is free Sure, if you have infinite hours and never EVER stop playing
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HootTheOwl posted:Sure, if you have infinite hours and never EVER stop playing I only play when a limited set is new then don’t play for months at a time. This new format is the only time I have really broken that pattern in years
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I enjoy competitive constructed and casul multiplayer. Any time spent playing limited or grinding quests with gimmick decks is lovely homework to me and I won't do it. Arena has always been a bad value proposition for me and it has gotten progressively worse as it ages. And I hve talked to plenty of other players in the same boat.
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