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Yeah, Zach Wilson was pressured on 80% of his dropbacks yesterday. I don't think he had the opportunity to throw a pass from an actual pocket before he was concussed out of the game. Do we think that Joe Flacco, who was repeatedly terrible as the Jets backup the past 2 years behind an equally bad OL, would be good now? No way.
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Yeah my conclusion out of all of this is that the Jets probably would have been a 2022 Broncos-style disaster this year if Rodgers had stayed healthy
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Diva Cupcake posted:Yeah, Zach Wilson was pressured on 80% of his dropbacks yesterday. I don't think he had the opportunity to throw a pass from an actual pocket before he was concussed out of the game. I think the conversation is more in service of those who think Saleh is only a healthy Rodgers away from doing well and therefore keeping his job. Obviously, glaring issues with other areas of the roster aren't exactly helping Saleh's case..
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Dec 18, 2023 15:07
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The other side of the argument seems to be that he's only a Joe Flacco away from deserving to keep his job
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Dec 18, 2023 15:32
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The337th posted:These are all fine ideas, but I think it's very safe to assume that all the backups and free agents who've been serviceable would have totally failed with the Jets o-line in front of them The line that absolutely embarrassed themselves yesterday was pretty much the line they wanted to go into the season with other than AVT. It's the worst line in the NFL and everyone knew it all offseason and preseason. It would've destroyed the season even if Rodgers didn't get hurt.
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Dec 18, 2023 15:39
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Yeah, that's the point If Saleh deserves the boot for offensive roster failure, it's his o-line, not the lack of a slightly less lovely backup QB
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Dec 18, 2023 15:50
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Diva Cupcake posted:
Like a true rapist, he continues to force himself on the league.
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Dec 18, 2023 15:54
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The337th posted:The other side of the argument seems to be that he's only a Joe Flacco away from deserving to keep his job The real answer here is that there isn't an argument for him keeping his job.
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Dec 18, 2023 15:57
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The Jets have had 3 games under Saleh with his 30% winning% where they have been plausibly alive for a playoff longshot in December and they have ATE COMPLETE poo poo in all 3. He sucks. He's just as bad as any coach we've had including Gase and there is zero chance they will ever win anything while he's here. If they keep him they are punting good time and money after bad that they have already pissed away in the last 13 years.
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Bumhead posted:The real answer here is that there isn't an argument for him keeping his job. yeah, that's the point
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Dec 18, 2023 16:04
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There’s maybe 5 teams with an actual good OL and then a bunch of teams just doing poo poo with scheme and play calling to hide the fact that they’ve got huge liabilities at certain spots, or across the board. The Jets O Line looks so bad in part because the offense coaching is bad and the offensive coaching is bad because they hired a loser fresh off of one of the worst head coaching jobs ever just because they didn’t believe Aaron would go to the only team that even wanted him without hiring all of his loser friends. The Jets have had this pathetic, groveling, loser energy ever since they started courting Rodgers and it’s really no surprise that they basically gave up as soon as he went down because that’s what losers do, they give up.
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Dec 18, 2023 16:33
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Time to clean house. https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1736766443365048824?s=20
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wandler20 posted:Time to clean house. i'm charmed by the near-perfect spacing of the oval logos on this chart
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wandler20 posted:Time to clean house. but zach wilson was just about to break out! - a thing jets fan twitter believed
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A lot of thorough cases condemning Saleh, but I will be the one defender that he made Zack Wilson an offensive player of the week for one week.
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It's as simple as his head coaching record is 16-32. That's a .333 winning percentage! Coaches have been fired for way, way worse. I don't care what the circumstances are, better coaches will show a lot more than 5 wins a year. Hoping that Saleh will magically turn it around next year is damning the franchise to go 6-11 again. What's the point?
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The Jets going 6-11 sounds pretty great imo
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Kirios posted:It's as simple as his head coaching record is 16-32. That's a .333 winning percentage! Coaches have been fired for way, way worse. I don't care what the circumstances are, better coaches will show a lot more than 5 wins a year. He never had a better than like... the #28th best QB.
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Jets are in a reasonable draft position to draft QB3 in the upcoming draft. Idk if that matters or not. Most coaching regimes don’t get three chances to get a franchise qb.
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Saleh just seems like a classic case of good coordinator, bad head coach. The defense is top shelf but the offense has been so wildly mismanaged on all fronts. I can see him sticking around and the Jets trying to give the Rodgers experiment one more shot next year with a focus on the O-line in the offseason, but it's that or fire everyone
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Febreeze posted:Saleh just seems like a classic case of good coordinator, bad head coach. The defense is top shelf but the offense has been so wildly mismanaged on all fronts. I can see him sticking around and the Jets trying to give the Rodgers experiment one more shot next year with a focus on the O-line in the offseason, but it's that or fire everyone Things the Jets need: - A healthy QB who is not a tomato can. So not Rodgers, not Zach Wilson. - A starting tackle and better OL depth - Another receiving threat - A qualified OC Would you trust Joe Douglas and Saleh to get those things?
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Things the Jets need:
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Things the Jets need: Most teams have a lot of problems going into an offseason and if lucky are able to solve most of them. Never all of them. Firing everyone doesn't fix those problems either. The Jets gambled for the Rodgers experiment last season and got snakebitten on day one, we can speculate about how the season would have gone with Rodgers back there but we don't actually know, and I can see the team deciding it's worth trying one more time. I don't trust Saleh and Douglas to fix that but the decision isn't up to me, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of the idiot owners who would have to make that choice. Go for the Rodgers last run one more time or blow everything up and start fresh again? Hard to see which side they'll land on.
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The Jets firing Saleh and Douglas means they bring in whoever Rodgers thinks is the best coach so lol if you think that'll go well
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I think Saleh, Douglas and Rodgers must be a package at this point.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:The Jets firing Saleh and Douglas means they bring in whoever Rodgers thinks is the best coach so lol if you think that'll go well If you're handcuffed to Rodgers anyways, fire everyone but Hackett. When the team flames out next year, fire Hackett then.
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Harlock posted:If you're handcuffed to Rodgers anyways, fire everyone but Hackett. When the team flames out next year, fire Hackett then. This sounds like a really elaborate suicide.
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Peter King says Tomlin is on the warm seat: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/nfl-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-jake-browning-playoffs-fmia-week-15-peter-kingquote:The seat’s toasty for Mike Tomlin. quote:Mike Tomlin, coach, Pittsburgh. An awful decision by Tomlin with the Steelers down 11 with 18 minutes to play. Pittsburgh had a fourth down at the Indianapolis 39-yard line with a kicker who’s made five of six from 50 and beyond this season. But Tomlin bypassed giving Chris Boswell a chance to make it a one-score game on a 57-yard attempt in an indoor stadium—with a bad offense in a game he had to have. And on the play before, instead of choosing to get Boswell closer on third-and-14, the Steelers, in a big offensive hole, threw incomplete deep for George Pickens instead of just trying to get it closer to make it a one-score game. Bad day for the Steelers and their coach.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:At this point just fire everyone and tell Qron to pound sand Pretty sure that the Jets are committed to Rodgers cap-wise at least next year
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Can someone talk about Mike Tomlin's scheme background? Despite everybody talking about how great a coach he is, all I know is he deploys a 3-4 defense and usually has good defenses.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:- A healthy QB who is not a tomato can. Sounds like the Jets need some kind of ball or orb. One that seems to defy expectations by being an exact mathematical match for an object of a round three dimensional variety.
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Forrest on Fire posted:Can someone talk about Mike Tomlin's scheme background? Despite everybody talking about how great a coach he is, all I know is he deploys a 3-4 defense and usually has good defenses. He came up under Dungy in Tampa then did a year with the Vikings as their DC. He was actually a 4-3 guy for most of his career and also focused on the secondary.
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Tomlin and Cowher are/were never really credited with too much of a specific tactical philosophy, even though they always ran a 3-4. Cowher's defenses were really innovative at the beginning but that mostly seemed to be given to the coordinators. They're mostly thought of as man-managing players coaches and I think part of why they can get kind of underrated(as much as a HOF coach and maybe future HOF coach can be) Noll was before my time but I kind of suspect he was similar; never really hear too much about his playcalling or innovative ideas. Steelers have a type
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What the hell is going on with Arthur Smith, did Bijan pee in his Cheerios or something??? Losing to this panthers team should be firable lol
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Saleh is absolutely getting fired. Anybody leaking to the media about how it’s not their fault is dead already. Rodgers never said poo poo about wanting to play for him. I think Tomlin isn’t going anywhere this year but if the Steelers eat poo poo next year maybe. I do give him a ton of respect for wasting that cromagnon dipshit watts career though
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The candidates for a job where you're handcuffed to a bad offensive coordinator and an aging quarterback who is going to get surly if you try and draft his replacement are going to be brutal. I guess the best bet would be to hire an offensive minded coach like LaFleur and just have Hackett as an intermediary?
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