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MixMasterMalaria posted:Bitcoin over 42k, up more than 150% this year. turns out people continue to be loving morons
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Dec 17, 2023 22:06
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It's called reversion to the mean.
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Dec 17, 2023 22:11
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At this point Obama will become president again and declare Tether too big to fail
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Dec 17, 2023 22:23
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amway and herbalife are still trucking along, i'm sure crypto will continue to find idiots to fleece
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Dec 17, 2023 23:36
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It turns out stupid people are a renewable resource where the resource pool gets bigger the worse things are.
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Dec 18, 2023 00:19
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It's like that Chinese investment company that was widely known as a ponzi scheme that the Chinese government let exist for some reason and it became one of the most popular investments in the country because everyone knew it was a ponzi scheme and was convinced that they would be one of the smart ones who knew when to get out to get some free money off the idiots. Everyone knows that bitcoin is for suckers and tons of people are going to get left holding the bag AGAIN, but I'm going to get in and make money off of the suckers because THIS TIME I'll get out at the exact right moment, unlike those other rubes. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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Dec 18, 2023 15:23
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's like that Chinese investment company that was wildly known as a ponzi scheme that the Chinese government let exist for some reason and it became one of the most popular investments in the country because everyone knew it was a ponzi scheme and was convinced that they would be one of the smart ones who knew when to get out to get some free money off the idiots. As someone who got in and out at the right times in 2021 and made ~30k (got into my house!), don't try it. The loving stress watching that account bounce up and down and the chance to lose everything is just not worth it.
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Dec 18, 2023 15:37
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's like that Chinese investment company that was widely known as a ponzi scheme that the Chinese government let exist for some reason and it became one of the most popular investments in the country because everyone knew it was a ponzi scheme and was convinced that they would be one of the smart ones who knew when to get out to get some free money off the idiots. We've all been waiting for the bottom to drop out for good for over a decade. Sadly, at this point, I think we just have to accept that it's going to stick around, even if it's extremely dumb.
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Dec 18, 2023 16:04
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Chevy briefly had their online sales and customer service departments run by a version of Chat GPT. Someone tricked the AI into agreeing to sell a new car for $1 and posted it online. A bunch of people tried it afterwards and Chevy eventually had to change it so it couldn't answer questions about sales and then eventually just took it down entirely. https://twitter.com/ChrisJBakke/status/1736533308849443121 
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Dec 18, 2023 16:32
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We’re gonna be seeing that a lot. Companies thinking that ChatGPT and other general AI tools are plug-and-play for every use case. Eventually they’ll figure out they need to hire a person — or a team or a vendor — to censor the robot.
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Dec 18, 2023 16:58
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Vegetable posted:We’re gonna be seeing that a lot. Companies thinking that ChatGPT and other general AI tools are plug-and-play for every use case. Eventually they’ll figure out they need to hire a person — or a team or a vendor — to censor the robot. Tech nightmares 6: hiring a team to censor the robot
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Dec 18, 2023 17:14
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Volmarias posted:We've all been waiting for the bottom to drop out for good for over a decade. Sadly, at this point, I think we just have to accept that it's going to stick around, even if it's extremely dumb. Bernie Madoff managed to go 17 years.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:19
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Sounds like a live assistor would know not to let a sale of a truck for one dollar not to go through, but I majored humanities and unemployable skills, so what would I know?
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Dec 18, 2023 17:31
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Star Man posted:Sounds like a live assistor would know not to let a sale of a truck for one dollar not to go through, but I majored humanities and unemployable skills, so what would I know? A live person would cost more than zero dollars, which means that number would not go up as fast. I'm also curious if they actually honor this, or try to welch on it as a "well obviously it's not an actual offer, they took advantage of a flaw which means technically they were hacking and"
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Dec 18, 2023 17:34
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I seriously doubt the chat bot was there to actually finalize sales. Probably intended to answer questions about features, accessories, warranties, etc.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:37
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ponzicar posted:I seriously doubt the chat bot was there to actually finalize sales. Probably intended to answer questions about features, accessories, warranties, etc.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:43
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Volmarias posted:A live person would cost more than zero dollars, which means that number would not go up as fast. They definitely won't. It was obviously unintended and the Chat bot doesn't have the legal authority to make a sale. It is just funny that they basically took Chat GPT out of the box with no edits and directed everyone who inquired about customer service or sales to the bot.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:43
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Volmarias posted:A live person would cost more than zero dollars, which means that number would not go up as fast. I can't imagine the dealership didn't tell them to gently caress off if they actually tried to push the issue. Even if the bot could be used to finalize a sale I can't imagine the effort (and money) was spent to automate the contract creation and signing, assuming that's even legal in their state since I'm pretty sure when I bought my last vehicle there was at least one step that had to be notarized in addition to actual signatures by real people on both sides of the deal and a Chatbot isn't going to be able to make or sign DocuSign files. Yet. I give it a year before some techbro dipshit does exactly that and loses everything. Plus someone saying "yes I have legal authority and this is legally binding" doesn't make it true and you'd struggle to find a judge who'd say otherwise.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:47
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Volmarias posted:A live person would cost more than zero dollars, which means that number would not go up as fast.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:48
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Prior to the fix people were also just using it as a free version of ChatGTP that they could get to do their programming homework or whatever, which is a possibly funnier abuse.
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Dec 18, 2023 18:41
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Evil Fluffy posted:Plus someone saying "yes I have legal authority and this is legally binding" doesn't make it true and you'd struggle to find a judge who'd say otherwise. No but if you say "no takesies backsies" then it's binding, this is how the US conned Alaska from the Tsar for $1.
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Dec 18, 2023 18:52
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Evil Fluffy posted:Plus someone saying "yes I have legal authority and this is legally binding" doesn't make it true and you'd struggle to find a judge who'd say otherwise.
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Dec 18, 2023 19:37
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Customer service is going to be great, I get to go through another frontline that's powered by GPT prompts just to get to the next level where the person tells me actually no that's all wrong and not corporate policy and what's your phone number or account number?
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Dec 18, 2023 20:49
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roffles posted:Customer service is going to be great, I get to go through another frontline that's powered by GPT prompts just to get to the next level where the person tells me actually no that's all wrong and not corporate policy and what's your phone number or account number? It's already been a thing for a while. My doctor's office and local pharmacy both have completely disabled the option to speak with a person and require you to use their automated system or leave a voice mail. It's very obnoxious when my doctor needs to send a prescription, but forgot, and I have to: - Call the doctor's office. - Leave a voicemail. - Wait a day. - Call the pharmacy. - Leave a voicemail to check if my doctor's office got my other voice mail and had sent the prescription over. If not, then: - Call the doctor's office again. - Leave a voice mail again. - Repeat. My cable provider also prevents you from talking to a human being until you make their robot fail three times and automatically connect you to a person.
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Dec 18, 2023 20:57
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's already been a thing for a while. Yeah it’s all terrible but I’d rather play phone tag than have to figure out if the AI is lying to me.
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Dec 18, 2023 21:03
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The AI is never lying to you, it is always bullshitting you, in the sense of the great essay On Bullshit. The tl;dr is that while both truth and lies are concerned with what the truth is, bullshit is not.
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Dec 18, 2023 22:03
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An increasingly faceless automated labyrinth between you and every service you need, with as little humanity and accountability as possible. You mustn't be alarmed, this is simply our policy.
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Dec 18, 2023 22:23
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BRJurgis posted:An increasingly faceless automated labyrinth between you and every service you need, with as little humanity and accountability as possible. You mustn't be alarmed, this is simply our policy.
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Dec 18, 2023 22:36
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Looking like you have authority to do a thing can in fact give you authority to do a thing, at least in some cases. Honestly, he might have had a case if he'd gone back and forth with the chatbot a bit instead of immediately going for "give me everything for $1" in order to give it the form of an actual negotiation. Probably not, but maybe.
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Dec 18, 2023 22:45
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Rand Brittain posted:Looking like you have authority to do a thing can in fact give you authority to do a thing, at least in some cases. No. There is no scenario in which they would have honored selling him a $1 car. None. Zero. It’s not a “non-zero chance” it’s “exactly zero”.
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Dec 18, 2023 22:46
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Boris Galerkin posted:No. There is no scenario in which they would have honored selling him a $1 car. None. Zero. It’s not a “non-zero chance” it’s “exactly zero”. Seriously. Car dealerships try not to honor actual, real, legally-binding things, lie directly to your face during sales pitches, swap documents on people if they think they can get away with it, etc, and people think they'd honor a $1.00 car sale from their chatbot? Exactly zero chance.
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Dec 18, 2023 23:20
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How can I help you? "My internet stopped working." Great! Anything else I can help you with?
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Dec 18, 2023 23:35
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Boris Galerkin posted:No. There is no scenario in which they would have honored selling him a $1 car. None. Zero. It’s not a “non-zero chance” it’s “exactly zero”. The idea isn't that the dealership would be willing to honor the deal, it's that a judge might look favorably on the plaintiff presenting that as evidence of honest confusion, when you take them to court over it.
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Dec 19, 2023 02:11
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Whatever gets them to stop using loving chatbots
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Dec 19, 2023 02:25
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cat botherer posted:In order to serve you better and more efficiently, "It's a cookbook!"
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Dec 19, 2023 02:35
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Normally I wouldn't expect a judge to rule favorably on what is so obviously a mistake, but I could see a judge being annoyed enough at the lies and hackery of it all that they feel like the company should need to just live with it as they should of known better. Judges can often look not so favorably on big companies that do stupid poo poo and should of known better.
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Dec 19, 2023 02:39
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Maybe a better question is "what if he'd gotten it to sell him a new car for $5,000", which is still insanely cheap but not a completely nominal sum.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think this is a good move and all car companies should follow suit Horrible move. There are apps I use on my EV, from CarPlay that don't have equals from GM, Tesla, or Ford. Waze is just one example. Add to that Podcasts, Google Maps etc.
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VideoGameVet posted:Horrible move. There are apps I use on my EV, from CarPlay that don't have equals from GM, Tesla, or Ford. Awful reader
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