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Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

RealityWarCriminal posted:

they say it's to simplify vaccination schedules, having one big push before winter. but yeah, it's insurance

the fda talks abut it here (section 5)
https://www.fda.gov/media/164699/download

hoo boy really sayin the quiet part out loud here

The FDA posted:

Although the data are not fully consistent and several knowledge gaps remain, emerging evidence suggests that a combination of SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination, termed hybrid immunity, confers significant protection against COVID-19 and that immunity acquired by infection should be considered in determining the immunization schedule (Pilz et al 2022)

let's take a look at the dogshit citation they provide lmao

Pilz Nuts posted:

Although we clearly outlined the efficacy of natural immunity, we want to strongly emphasize that nobody should on purpose seek infection to bypass vaccination because SARS-CoV-2 infection, regardless of the underlying variant, is associated with noteworthy adverse outcomes. However, it would be imprudent not to factor previous infections into policy considerations, given their high frequency. This may be even more important for younger age strata where COVID-19 risks of severe outcomes are far lower anyhow.

"get hosed, children!"

and also the absolute latest study they incorporated into their review was published in 2021 which means Omicron hadn't existed yet.

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Baddog
May 12, 2001
We don't really have any idea how well the latest booster does against this new variant eh.

I'm prolly still gonna try to get another round of novavax at 6 months, but expect might have to pay for it. Colorado has made it a lot harder to lie.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jloscbX7aco

:thunk:

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
one of the problems with socialized medicine is they all know when you got your last shot, and will deny you. you can't even lie and say you're uninsured because everyone is insured

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

Baddog posted:

We don't really have any idea how well the latest booster does against this new variant eh.

I'm prolly still gonna try to get another round of novavax at 6 months, but expect might have to pay for it. Colorado has made it a lot harder to lie.

I’m hoping to get novavax 6 months after my October Pfizer and expecting to pay out of pocket

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Baddog posted:

We don't really have any idea how well the latest booster does against this new variant eh.

Not against JN.1 specifically.

It’s not great, not terrible against strains circulating in October, November.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.12.12.23299855v1.full-text posted:

We present early vaccine effectiveness (VE) estimates of the 2023 seasonal COVID-19 vaccination campaign using XBB.1.5 vaccine against COVID-19 hospitalization and ICU admission in previously vaccinated adults ≥60 years old in the Netherlands. We compared vaccination status of 2050 hospitalizations including 92 ICU admissions with age group-, sex-, region- and date-specific population vaccination coverage between 9 October and 5 December 2023. VE against hospitalization was 70.7% (95% CI: 66.6; 74.3), VE against ICU admission was 73.3% (95% CI: 42.2; 87.6).

There was a time when “one in four people still get the worst outcomes” would have been considered deplorable results, but it could be a lot worse given how out of date XBB.1.5 was as a target.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

RealityWarCriminal posted:

one of the problems with socialized medicine is they all know when you got your last shot, and will deny you. you can't even lie and say you're uninsured because everyone is insured

pretend you're an american med-tourist

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

RealityWarCriminal posted:

one of the problems with socialized medicine is they all know when you got your last shot, and will deny you. you can't even lie and say you're uninsured because everyone is insured

Yes. I got my last booster in 2020 and since the whole country shares the same vax database, everyone will say I’m up to date and can’t get any more. So even socialism is not the perfect solution. At least in USA you can actually get new vaccines and Paxlovid with money.

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



Ihmemies posted:

Yes. I got my last booster in 2020 and since the whole country shares the same vax database, everyone will say I’m up to date and can’t get any more. So even socialism is not the perfect solution. At least in USA you can actually get new vaccines and Paxlovid with money.

or without money (limited time offer)

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer

The Oldest Man posted:

OK I am further downgrading my opinion of SmarterHEPA and their blast/blast mini air purifier. In addition to not sealing properly, they have what should be a pretty obvious design flaw. The blower motor is placed upstream of the main filter! So the thing gets absolutely caked in fine dust after a while, it's not easy at all to clean it since it's a wheel fan even once you've disassembled the whole thing, and having a bunch of poo poo on the fan blades is going to degrade the performance.

Would definitely not recommend purchasing these products in hindsight. I'll be replacing mine as soon as the filter is up for replacement.

I never thought about this, but QT3's motor is upstream as well 😅

My large purifiers (Winix, Coway) have filters before the fan.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Weird, must be something going around.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

RealityWarCriminal posted:

one of the problems with socialized medicine is they all know when you got your last shot, and will deny you. you can't even lie and say you're uninsured because everyone is insured

It is particularly grating that I got my last (and only) booster ~2 years ago, considering this news item (from today):

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-bonfire-covid-vaccines-coronavirus-waste-europe-analysis/ posted:

EU countries destroy €4B worth of COVID vaccines
A POLITICO analysis shows that more than 200M unwanted coronavirus jabs have been dumped.
(..)
On average, EU countries threw out 0.7 doses of vaccine per capita.
(..)

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

RealityWarCriminal posted:

one of the problems with socialized medicine is they all know when you got your last shot, and will deny you. you can't even lie and say you're uninsured because everyone is insured

My experience in Australia is that pharmacists are too lazy to check. God-bless that Aussie work ethic.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Pingui posted:

It is particularly grating that I got my last (and only) booster ~2 years ago, considering this news item (from today):

You’ve got to cover yourself head to toe with mink fur to disguise yourself as valuable capital, worthy of protection.

Just don’t let them give you the spicy buttplug.

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003

Baddog posted:

We don't really have any idea how well the latest booster does against this new variant eh.

I'm prolly still gonna try to get another round of novavax at 6 months, but expect might have to pay for it. Colorado has made it a lot harder to lie.

We need one of those two-box flowcharts that says 'Has it been more than 3 months since the vaccine came out?' and both answers point at 'Moderately effective against severe outcomes.'

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

sonatinas posted:

mine came with those! I wondered why they weren’t built in…

Fansy posted:

I never thought about this, but QT3's motor is upstream as well 😅

My large purifiers (Winix, Coway) have filters before the fan.


Dren posted:

Uhhh not unless you got the addons to make it seal.

https://smartairfilters.com/uk/en/2022/10/05/qt3-mind-the-gap/

Yeah I think it's because the company has no loving idea what they're doing

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

Chamale posted:

I hope Rubby is doing well.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


Doesn't look like anything to me

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

NeonPunk posted:

Hoping that it's just sequencing prioritization is also a very bad thing too since it implies that they're testing the most severe cases first

Zantie posted:

This is most likely it. S- gene drop out or target failure (SGTF) has been a means of prioritizing sequencing of new variants from Alpha->Delta->Omicron and each various wave of sub variants.

Dredging this up again because Ryan posted a really cool graph that illustrates when the oscillation of a specific part of the spike protein "switches" between each main variant and subvariant.

https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1736526826179092781

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Zantie posted:

Dredging this up again because Ryan posted a really cool graph that illustrates when the oscillation of a specific part of the spike protein "switches" between each main variant and subvariant.

https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1736526826179092781

Kiting the population level immune response like it's a WoW boss

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It’s a slowly-evolving virus. :classiclol:

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006
I heard a commercial today that talked about how 30% of people get long covid and I’m kinda shocked.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Zantie posted:

Dredging this up again because Ryan posted a really cool graph that illustrates when the oscillation of a specific part of the spike protein "switches" between each main variant and subvariant.

https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1736526826179092781

yeah this is a pretty nifty way to talk to receptive or even just curious people about how evolution by natural selection works in these cases, because you can also shoehorn in some of the "the virus doesn't act or elect or consciously DO anything" language.

it's not "choosing" to become more evasive, it's not "getting around" our vaccines. It's just a mathematical process by which eventually an assembly of chaotic changes iterates itself into and out of existence.

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

Zantie posted:

Dredging this up again because Ryan posted a really cool graph that illustrates when the oscillation of a specific part of the spike protein "switches" between each main variant and subvariant.

https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1736526826179092781

https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1736526830163710192#m

Whee! Evolutionary merry go round.

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022

Pingui posted:

quote:

LA County landlords can apply for financial relief from COVID losses
:thermidor:

fyi, if the landlord can't be reached for long enough during approval, this program sends the whole relief check to the tenant instead.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Strep Vote posted:

Whee! Evolutionary merry go round.



“All our teams make an effort to stay optimistic, but I will say that once our virus division saw the vaccine efficacy data, they started asking for payment up front.”

Dren
Jan 5, 2001

Pillbug
https://x.com/bob_wachter/status/1736865303609659664?s=46&t=f1MRhF2xe8gNhr6WGxk_NA

new wachter math dropped, right on cue

snipped this one for the “i’m here now” bob head

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Personally, if this happened to me five months ago, I would take measures to avoid it happening again.

Why Am I So Tired
Sep 28, 2021

Dren posted:

https://x.com/bob_wachter/status/1736865303609659664?s=46&t=f1MRhF2xe8gNhr6WGxk_NA

new wachter math dropped, right on cue

snipped this one for the “i’m here now” bob head

I am truly in awe of this man.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Having done the math and carefully considered every variable, it is clear that what I was already doing is optimal :eng101:

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster
i loved oscillating double replacement reactions in Chem!

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Pingui posted:

Having done the math and carefully considered every variable, it is clear that what I was already doing is optimal :eng101:

lol

Just perfect professional boomer brain

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
I like how the most extreme end of the chart, which is bright red, says you can go to a party as long as you wear a mask in between food and drink.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Dren posted:

https://x.com/bob_wachter/status/1736865303609659664?s=46&t=f1MRhF2xe8gNhr6WGxk_NA

new wachter math dropped, right on cue

snipped this one for the “i’m here now” bob head

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

Dren posted:

https://x.com/bob_wachter/status/1736865303609659664?s=46&t=f1MRhF2xe8gNhr6WGxk_NA

new wachter math dropped, right on cue

snipped this one for the “i’m here now” bob head

This tweet's a real head-scratcher.

ColdBlooded
Jul 15, 2001

Ask me how to run a good team into the ground.

Dren posted:

https://x.com/bob_wachter/status/1736865303609659664?s=46&t=f1MRhF2xe8gNhr6WGxk_NA

new wachter math dropped, right on cue

snipped this one for the “i’m here now” bob head

lol

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry
"near someone who appears ill" gently caress me running lol

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Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

Gunshow Poophole posted:

"near someone who appears ill" gently caress me running lol

hurriedly strapping on a surgical mask as i walk past the skate park

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