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Turns out that letting people accumulate a bunch of PTO and having them take it all at once in December on little to short notice is not a great system. Who could have guessed? (No judgement on the team member but now my manager is out with COVID leaving just two of us handling the end of Q4 rush. FML)
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dpkg chopra posted:Turns out that letting people accumulate a bunch of PTO and having them take it all at once in December on little to short notice is not a great system. Yes, but that's a problem for Not Now, and not having that PTO show up on the balance sheet both means number go up, and the finance guy has less work to do.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:20
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The week off between Christmas and New Year's is sacred to me at this point. The way my job works it's tough to take a full week off at once so this is the time I get to do it.
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Dec 18, 2023 17:30
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There was a really great period of time in this company when they allowed unlimited carryover for 30+ years, then randomly one year announced that they'd limit it to 150% your yearly allowance. Since then it's been reduced to 80 hours. A bunch of lifers ended up just disappearing for months on end. Personally I like floating a lot of vacation time since I tend to not really plan out when I'm going to use it that far in advance, so I like to have it when I need it. I also accrue 4 weeks/year so only being able to carry over 80 hours is honestly pretty dumb. e: The real bullshit is not getting paid out for sick time. So now, at the end of the year when everybody's burning Vacation and we're juggling Holiday alternates, we also have to deal with people just randomly calling out. Since we're a 24/7 department, we can't just leave the department unmanned. So while you have the right to call out in that case, you're going to gently caress over the on call and make an enemy in the process. Renegret fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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Dec 18, 2023 17:34
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I had my days off nicely stated in my out of office message, then a kid got sick. The message is now “out of office.”
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Dec 18, 2023 18:53
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Guy Axlerod posted:I'm an IT middle manager. 8 hours of videos + a hands on quiz for each section. I think an hour or two of introduction would be reasonable. Kind of like the intro I got when I started here. That's hilarious. Id like to see an hour or two of basic product knowledge training where I work, but drat 8 hours would be such a waste.
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Dec 18, 2023 18:58
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When I started at my company, working in the customer service center, I had to take endless hours of training about not giving bribes to border guards and accepting gifts from foreign dignitaries.
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Dec 18, 2023 19:03
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dpkg chopra posted:Turns out that letting people accumulate a bunch of PTO and having them take it all at once in December on little to short notice is not a great system. All my leave gets cancelled earlier in the year so I'm in use or lose shortly after thanksgiving every year. Don't want me gone in December, let me take a week here and there on the spring and summer.
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Dec 18, 2023 19:05
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Yeah, like I said, no shade on my co-worker, but I found out they were going to be off every Monday in December literally the last day of November which means it was impossible for me to arrange with team B a plan of action for when I’m the only one covering team A AND team B. I mean, gently caress it, I’m not going to work over my regular hours for this, but it makes the working day needlessly stressful. If it’s just a matter of burning PTO, then taking off the entire first week of the month would’ve been easier for everyone involved.
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Dec 18, 2023 19:35
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:I have no idea why or how but it seems to be possible to be a mid level permanent employee and still be on an hourly/timesheet based pay scale if you're based in the US, this is at a US corp so idk if this is a common thing or not. Only way to do that here at a corp in socialist Europe is to be a contractor and even then you'd be on a day rate and wouldn't ever do overtime. hourly FTE is a thing yes. it's called "non-exempt" for payroll purposes, and while regulatorily in almost all cases you're technically owed overtime wages for anything over 40 hours, in practice the business will take measures ranging from "you're scheduled for 37.5 hours this week" to "if you put more than 40 hours on your time sheet without prior approval you're fired"
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Dec 18, 2023 19:39
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HiroProtagonist posted:hourly FTE is a thing yes. it's called "non-exempt" for payroll purposes, and while regulatorily in almost all cases you're technically owed overtime wages for anything over 40 hours, in practice the business will take measures ranging from "you're scheduled for 37.5 hours this week" to "if you put more than 40 hours on your time sheet without prior approval you're fired" FLSA exemption is one of the worst things that happened to American workers.
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Dec 18, 2023 19:59
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HiroProtagonist posted:hourly FTE is a thing yes. it's called "non-exempt" for payroll purposes, and while regulatorily in almost all cases you're technically owed overtime wages for anything over 40 hours, in practice the business will take measures ranging from "you're scheduled for 37.5 hours this week" to "if you put more than 40 hours on your time sheet without prior approval you're fired" There's something my old company did which I wonder about, legality-wise. Pennsylvania, for reference. They would hire independent contractors to do scientific / engineering jobs which really were probably WHD violations of the traditional self-employment vs employee tax scam nature. However, they'd sign to these weird "maximum hourly" contracts that would pay for up to X hours of work per pay period. As an example, the contract might pay a maximum of 160 hours of work time per month, renewable terms every 6 mo or 12mo, etc. If you worked fewer than 160 hours, of course, you got your pay reduced because they had to be billed to the employer. However, then they'd give you far, far more work than you could possibly complete in a 40-hour work week. Your projects would be massive, and the contractors were now left with a choice between working the hours they were being paid (and then losing the contract / having it killed at the 6mo mark), versus working insane overtime (and thus being exploited continuously and getting another even more exploitative contract at renewal time). On one hand, the easiest solution is to not work for fuckers who do a contract like that, but that's easier said than done when you're trying to work at one of a very limited number of tech companies with factories in an Amish-dominant area. There's not a lot of work to go around, and the company knows that.
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Dec 18, 2023 21:11
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I'm on a call with someone who is apparently so important he just doesn't bother to show up to meetings. Miraculously, he showed up to this one, but a few minutes into the call he declared that he was in "listen only" mode, and went silent, and then started to intermittently respond in the chat. How do people get away with this poo poo?
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Dec 18, 2023 22:23
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Awkward Davies posted:I'm on a call with someone who is apparently so important he just doesn't bother to show up to meetings. being chatty isn't in my job description, is it in theirs?
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Dec 18, 2023 23:00
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They're helping make the meeting get by faster OP
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Dec 18, 2023 23:03
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FAUXTON posted:being chatty isn't in my job description, is it in theirs? Jokes aside, we were on the call to address an issue that he identified, has the expertise in, and that he has spear-headed. We wouldn't have been on the call if not for him.
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Dec 18, 2023 23:04
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Just got out of a meeting scheduled at the last minute. "Hello employee number 1854. Please come up with a list of your 20% lowest performers by the end of the week." Happy holidays to all! (Real tempted to put myself on the list)
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Dec 18, 2023 23:05
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Motronic posted:Just got out of a meeting scheduled at the last minute. "Hello employee number 1854. Please come up with a list of your 20% lowest performers by the end of the week." Ugh that sucks, merry christmas!
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Dec 18, 2023 23:07
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My lack of work is equivalent to at least 25% of my team. I'm really good at fuckin off lately.
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Dec 18, 2023 23:19
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Meanwhile, today was my most productive day in weeks. No meetings = poo poo gets done. Feels good to do actual things.
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Dec 18, 2023 23:27
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Motronic posted:Just got out of a meeting scheduled at the last minute. "Hello employee number 1854. Please come up with a list of your 20% lowest performers by the end of the week." List the person who scheduled the meeting.
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Dec 19, 2023 00:09
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Anonymous Robot posted:When I started at my company, working in the customer service center, I had to take endless hours of training about not giving bribes to border guards and accepting gifts from foreign dignitaries. "We make everyone in the company do mandatory ethics training every year, so if something bad happens it's just a rogue employee, not a cultural issue, and the company is not liable."
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Dec 19, 2023 01:40
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I feel like my bribery training was more about how to contextualize the bribe to be allowed. You can pay for "priority processing" but not pay for approval.
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Dec 19, 2023 02:06
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I usually just stuff $100 bills into the cop's pocket until he hollers at me to stop.
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Just got done chatting with a friend at another company I was interviewing at. Had two rounds of interviews last month and was supposed to have a final round with the CFO. Been radio silence since Thanksgiving so been reaching out to the internal recruiter and my friend. Here is the tea I got. Last month the CFO, two business unit VPs and a finance manager were on a call to discuss budgets for next year. Bit of a contentious call as VPs are trying to get the budget to do what they are being told to do and CFO is trying to contain costs since forecasts for next year are looking tough. Finance manager has not said a word and out of nowhere CFO starts criticizing the finance manager. Finance manager is well liked by the VPs. VPs get pissed, tell the CFO he is behaving inappropriately, end the call and ring up the head of HR. CFO had a stern talking to. CFO took the job about two years ago, relocating to the Midwest from the Pacific Northwest. Apparently the CFO and wife just sold the house in PNW and wife and kids are in California living with family. Sounds like all kinds of crazy and I have been ghosted as poo poo goes down. Should I just disappear like Homer into the bushes or send an email to the recruiter withdrawing my interest?
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Dec 19, 2023 02:29
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...what kind of "criticism" by a CFO gets the CFO a call from HR? homer it
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pmchem posted:...what kind of "criticism" by a CFO gets the CFO a call from HR? slurs, has to be also if it’s a smaller/youngish startup (~5 years) that didn’t have a CFO until recently, head of HR might be employee number 3 and might actually have more pull.
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Dec 19, 2023 02:49
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pmchem posted:homer it
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pmchem posted:...what kind of "criticism" by a CFO gets the CFO a call from HR? Demeaning a subordinate in front of other people is textbook bullying, and pretending the company cares about that is usually one of HR’s jobs. People draw the line in different places though. At my last but one job, one of the team leads complained to HR that being asked about progress on her workstream by the project manager in our biweekly update call constituted bullying because it put her on the spot in front of colleagues. And she’s kind of right! Even though that sort of low-key public shaming is basically how PMs always operate as far as I can tell.
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Dec 19, 2023 04:24
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Beefeater1980 posted:being asked about progress on her workstream by the project manager in our biweekly update call constituted bullying because it put her on the spot in front of colleagues. And she’s kind of right! No she loving isn't, what the hell?
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Dec 19, 2023 04:28
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progress reports in group meetings as bullying lol i might have to crosspost that to the grad school / academia thread
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Dec 19, 2023 04:29
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I mean, it kinds of depends on the nuances and the actual situation right. There’s a case where that’s bullying and there’s a case where it’s not.
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Dec 19, 2023 04:32
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Sure, if I knock on the door of the bathroom stall and go "Hey, do you have those business review slides that are due today?" between the echoing farts, that could be bullying. Asking for a status update in an update call though? Come on.
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How often has she asked for the status prior? Has she been making negative comments about the workers ability to do the work? How did she ask for the status? Did they already discuss the status prior to the meeting? Do they already have a contentious relationship?
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Dec 19, 2023 04:41
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pmchem posted:progress reports in group meetings as bullying lol
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Dec 19, 2023 04:41
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Trabant posted:No she loving isn't, what the hell? So to be an anthropologist about it: within a work context it’s totally normal and she was being ridiculous (PM wasn’t being nasty to her, she just didn’t like being chased or called out). But one of the reasons to have public update calls is that the threat of mild public shaming helps motivate people to get poo poo done.
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Dec 19, 2023 04:45
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Arquinsiel posted:Academia is bullshit enough to deal with, don't go riling that thread up by telling them things are less terrible in the corporate world. too late
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Beefeater1980 posted:So to be an anthropologist about it: within a work context it’s totally normal and she was being ridiculous (PM wasn’t being nasty to her, she just didn’t like being chased or called out). But one of the reasons to have public update calls is that the threat of mild public shaming helps motivate people to get poo poo done. You should be motivated to do a thing you agreed to do and other people are waiting for you to do. Holding someone to that isn't "public shaming". It can be bullying if the PM is ONLY asking 1 person for an update or being consistently lovely to one person, but if you feel like your being shamed because someone is asking about the tangible progress of you doing your job, you're probably not in the right job.
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Trabant posted:Sure, if I knock on the door of the bathroom stall and go "Hey, do you have those business review slides that are due today?" between the echoing farts, that could be bullying. Actually that would be interrupting my 1:30 meeting with the board
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Anonymous Robot posted:When I started at my company, working in the customer service center, I had to take endless hours of training about not giving bribes to border guards and accepting gifts from foreign dignitaries. When I started working in a Scandinavian branch of a Texas-based company, I had to go through training about not bringing my guns to work.
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