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freebooter posted:Nah I would prefer to keep most of the 19th architectural heritage of inner-city Melbourne, it's aesthetically pleasing and half the reason I still live here instead of moving back to the affordable but off-puttingly Ballardian environs of Perth where everything was built 5 minutes ago and looks like Phoenix Arizona. You’re free to buy and maintain as much of it as you want
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I got a question in my linguistics class about particular things that the students disliked in heard speech and I didn't have a good answer because descrpitvism and stuff, but I said the transer of the ugly nerd term utilise, replacing the word use outside of dim managerial terminology. And some kid piped up all "uh actually they have their own very appropriate uses" And I was like man I hate being in introductrionary classes with 18 year olds Square brackets misusage in that quote makes me sympathise with the usage fuckhead The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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The Peccadillo posted:I got a question in my linguistics class about particular things that the students disliked in heard speech and I didn't have a good answer because descrpitvism and stuff, but I said the transer of the ugly nerd term utilise, replacing the word use outside of dim managerial terminology. And some kid piped up all "uh actually they have their own very appropriate uses" misutilisation 
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Non Compos Mentis posted:i say keep the façade and build new behind it heritage types get very angry when you suggest that personally I agree though. husk em and fill em with modern apartments. people in Melbourne moan about the loss of "the paris of the southern hemisphere" when most of the old buildings in the CBD were torn down, but those buildings, while having ornate facades, were built like poo poo, cutting all kinds of corners to pump them out during the boom. last time they were reno-ing St Paul's, you could see the brick construction under the huge "solid" bluestone foundations. just a ~5cm bluestone veneer. builders have always been fly by night grifters
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Literally throwing away the victories of the union movement to protect heritage listed buildings because you want more loving apartments. I hope you rot.
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Mola Yam posted:heritage types get very angry when you suggest that I saw that doco Lost City of Melbourne. It kind of laments all the destruction of the 50s and 60s while also admitting that most of them were completely unsuitable for modern living and working.
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Dec 18, 2023 09:20
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keep historic buildings and knock down the old poo poo boxes blocking the redevelopment of old shops just because they are old is dumb, especially when its shops that have been empty for ages because the landlords charge exorbitant rents for them repossess them buildings 
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Dec 18, 2023 09:27
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I don't mind getting rid of the insides of old buildings but I do like the developers being forced to either keep or work with the facades. There's enough grey boxes popping up in the city without some being forced to at least play nice with the general environment. I like how much of Sydney City has been kept with a sandstone theme, even if it's got a litany of other problems.
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This is the map of heritage protection implemented by local councils in Melbourne https://x.com/heritage_why/status/1419886322680958976
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The Peccadillo posted:I got a question in my linguistics class about particular things that the students disliked in heard speech and I didn't have a good answer because descrpitvism and stuff, but I said the transer of the ugly nerd term utilise, replacing the word use outside of dim managerial terminology. And some kid piped up all "uh actually they have their own very appropriate uses" "Content"
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EoinCannon posted:I saw that doco Lost City of Melbourne. It kind of laments all the destruction of the 50s and 60s while also admitting that most of them were completely unsuitable for modern living and working. That doco was really interesting because I had no idea about that part of Melbourne’s history. I understand why it was necessary but some of those art deco buildings were just beautiful and it’s sad they had to go. If anyone is interested it’s on sbs here.
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i am a staunch descriptivist but imo you can loathe usages of language and still treat them as valid linguistically but if i had a magic wish to straight up delete a word i would pick 'like' instantaneously and not even consider the broader linguistic usages of that word beyond as a placeholder
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Solemn Sloth posted:This is the map of heritage protection implemented by local councils in Melbourne My aunt was trying to reno her little workers cottage in Richmond and the amount of poo poo you weren’t allowed to use in construction was staggering. I get that no one wants to live in a street full of grey, featureless rendered shitboxes but it still seemed a bit over the top
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:i am a staunch descriptivist but imo you can loathe usages of language and still treat them as valid linguistically but if i had a magic wish to straight up delete a word i would pick 'like' instantaneously and not even consider the broader linguistic usages of that word beyond as a placeholder Stop hating women
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What's even the point of heritage listing? Beyond protecting unique/interesting/historically significant buildings isn't it just sparkling nimbyism?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Stop hating women hey thats sexist
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Spookydonut posted:What's even the point of heritage listing? It’s nimbyism with a fair bit of racism/classism for good measure. Not only does it restrict increased density where there is access to services and infrastructure, it prevents *those people* from coming in and building their ugly houses. I have no problem with having significant things listed on the state heritage register and protecting them, but local heritage is an absolute loving crock.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:i am a staunch descriptivist but imo you can loathe usages of language and still treat them as valid linguistically but if i had a magic wish to straight up delete a word i would pick 'like' instantaneously and not even consider the broader linguistic usages of that word beyond as a placeholder The overutilization of "like" as a stoppage only ever seems to bother me when I notice it in Chapo Trap House when I, like, notice him, like, utilising the term "like" instead of like a vocal, like, ellipses or comma If I don't notice it just rolls off like water off a duck's back, but if I do occasionally it's all I can hear
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Solemn Sloth posted:This is the map of heritage protection implemented by local councils in Melbourne Blanket heritage overlays are disingenuous bullshit and the Vic state govt should follow NSW's lead, however at the other end of the spectrum you just know that the people who run that twitter account or the Sydney YIMBY one would happily tear down the entire inner city and replace it with Corbusian monoliths
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freebooter posted:Blanket heritage overlays are disingenuous bullshit and the Vic state govt should follow NSW's lead, however at the other end of the spectrum you just know that the people who run that twitter account or the Sydney YIMBY one would happily tear down the entire inner city and replace it with Corbusian monoliths good
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freebooter posted:Blanket heritage overlays are disingenuous bullshit and the Vic state govt should follow NSW's lead, however at the other end of the spectrum you just know that the people who run that twitter account or the Sydney YIMBY one would happily tear down the entire inner city and replace it with Corbusian monoliths Once again, the people that love those buildings are free to buy them and protect them as long as they wish. Hell they could even buy them, chuck a covenant on the title prescribing what they want to keep, and then sell them on again.
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Dec 18, 2023 22:48
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Planning approvals are supposed to manage externalities like incompatible adjacent uses or access to daylight and privacy not to enforce some dipshits aesthetic preferences on the world at large and turn a city into a museum
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All buildings should be a minimum of 20 stories, have only two exits and either be covered in combustible cladding or glass cut to make it a death ray when the sun hits it just so.
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I understand the love of heritage buildings, but why not just enact rules on what the buildings facades look like? Bunch of heritage decoration rules? I grew up in a suburb with something similar, it kept the whole place looking like it was still from the 1910s.
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Buildings of historical significance should be heritage listed to some extent but do we really need thousands of examples of how lovely and moldy Terrace houses can get after 100 years of landlord neglect
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there's definitely value in protecting buildings of historical significance etc. but it has definitely been taken to a ridiculous point in australian cities and mostly just serves to protect the interests of homeowners
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I worry that without heritage protections Melbourne CBD would look like the docklands. And be as attractive, energetic, and desirable to live in as the docklands I agree that heritage protections are not fit for purpose but developers can't be trusted to make good buildings. They need more regulation and enforcement to make them do it properly EoinCannon fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Dec 19, 2023 |
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heritage list the ferris wheel at the docklands
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gently caress they’re taking forever to remove that failure. No one even wants to be bothered selling the scrap
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EoinCannon posted:I worry that without heritage protections Melbourne CBD would look like the docklands. And be as attractive, energetic, and desirable to live in as the docklands yes of course, buildings need to have decent standards which need to be enforced, and some level of heritage should remain, it just should be much more limited in scope than it currently is.
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they didnt heritage list the dragon roller coaster on the top floor of the myer centre so i consider the whole idea pointless
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hmmm yes the alternatives are entire neighbourhoods of single family heritage homes or high rise 20 family deathtraps and there is no in-between.
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EoinCannon posted:I worry that without heritage protections Melbourne CBD would look like the docklands. And be as attractive, energetic, and desirable to live in as the docklands Everything will be a black and grey box eventually that's the new rule.
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Heritage listing in Brisbane means poo poo as either the house accidentally catches fire or there’s no consequences for knocking it down.
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we should really be building underground
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toowoomba won shittown of the year i'm guessing because of you know who
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Spookydonut posted:toowoomba won shittown of the year i'm guessing because of you know who It beat Port Pirie?
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BrigadierSensible posted:It beat Port Pirie? It beat Townsville, they had the gong for the last two years and have been at the top of the list nearly every month. It takes some serious loving staying power to beat Townsville.
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Nobody loves a winner like Kweenslan Southern states BTFO it’s a beautiful day in Brisbane today, a city that has a rail network that works with trains on it.
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