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Nelson Mandingo posted:I'm not sure why destructive environments fall out of fashion. I can't think of a single game with it as a serious mechanic that was explicitly bad because of it off the top of my head. They're kind of a bitch to implement unless you designed for it from the ground up. Tons more work when you have to model what's inside walls, etc.
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Knocking the cashout box from the top floor to the bottom using RPGs and breach charges, where you have the area trapped up, to steal it and win 
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Dec 17, 2023 01:05
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only three thousand channels for all thirty members of the discord. can whoever is in charge of it please add more channels
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you can do environments that don't destruct for like 20% as much work. also arguably destructability in AAA FPS basically died off with BF5 and then especially 2042. The huge map event stuff was kind of underwhelming and not that interesting after the first handful of times and it clearly took a ton of work to do, meanwhile that grew into the ridiculous ~map events~ in bf2042 which were almost universally hated because literally no one is trying to play an fps in a tornado that's just stupid
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Was the flamethrower good at some point? Because it doesn't feel that great when I'm hosing a light in the face point blank and they can out DPS me with a mac11 Yea it's great for securing kills and harassment but 1v1 it loses a lot of fights even in 'optimal' range.
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Dec 17, 2023 09:55
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The flamethrower was nerfed into the ground on release; compared to beta it lost range, damage, rate of fire, and they changed the graphics so it wasnt as blinding. its pretty much garbo atm. it can barely outdamage a heal beam IMO they should make the flamethrower the alt fire of the goo gun
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Dec 17, 2023 11:13
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Herstory Begins Now posted:you can do environments that don't destruct for like 20% as much work. also arguably destructability in AAA FPS basically died off with BF5 and then especially 2042. The huge map event stuff was kind of underwhelming and not that interesting after the first handful of times and it clearly took a ton of work to do, meanwhile that grew into the ridiculous ~map events~ in bf2042 which were almost universally hated because literally no one is trying to play an fps in a tornado that's just stupid Please don't point to the disappointing poo poo show that was 2042 and blame its destruction for why no one liked it. No one likes it because it is a soulless derivation of previous concepts designed to suck money out of rubes. Also its loving boring. Also the tornado did nothing. This game looks interesting. I might give it a try when im less burned out on competitive fps.
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Dec 17, 2023 16:28
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The only game I can think of with destruction, besides BF of old, was Red Faction and I believe it was more a single player series (I only played the first two)
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Bf2042 also had barely any destruction compared to previous iterations of battlefield which is another reason why it sucked.
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the battlefield series got chasing true dynamic destruction and eventually decided it was too difficult and wasn't worth it when all anyone ever wanted was more bad company 2
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poor battlefield
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The flamethrower was nerfed into the ground on release; compared to beta it lost range, damage, rate of fire, and they changed the graphics so it wasnt as blinding. its pretty much garbo atm. it can barely outdamage a heal beam I had the feeling its way worse than it used to be, judging by how many people were singing it's praises and yea - now it's laughably bad. Hilarious to use, especially on lights that think they can dodge out of being on fire - but I'm gonna switch to the shotgun I think.
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ZeusCannon posted:Please don't point to the disappointing poo poo show that was 2042 and blame its destruction for why no one liked it. ur reading that post backwards: it didn't have meaningful destruction, that's my entire point. destruction in the bf series morphed from basically the height of bfbc2 into some weird bastardized notion of destruction and weird 'destructive' map events by 2042 that was utterly soulless, in addition to the entire rest of the game being basically fps white bread Kwolok posted:Bf2042 also had barely any destruction compared to previous iterations of battlefield which is another reason why it sucked. yeah that was what I was getting at^ Au Revoir Shosanna posted:the battlefield series got chasing true dynamic destruction and eventually decided it was too difficult and wasn't worth it when all anyone ever wanted was more bad company 2 yeah exactly Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Dec 17, 2023 |
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Valve's recent documentary on Half Life had an interesting bit where at one point they had to define what fun was, and the definition they settled on was interactivity - the game responds to your actions. In 1998 that included things we regard as the default today, like bullet hole decals being left on a wall when you shoot it. But the principle is the same. Battlefield for some reason really decided to lean into big visual set pieces instead.
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figured out maxing out the fov helps with close range fights and far range through better recoil control cons: - enemies look like ants - harder to hit with revolver farther out - fisheye
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I have seen the light and the light is the loving HEAVY SHOTGUN My god Lights disappear when I look at them Mediums flee but it is too late Heavies with any other gun melt immediately Fatty with shotgun, rpg, mines (for sticking to deposit boxes and staircases) and mesh shield/shield bubble - just disgusting. Also the Bank It mode is way better than vault guarding gametype - y'all were right. If the vaults gave out incremental rewards along the way it'd be more interesting, but as is the only poo poo that matters is the fight 15 seconds before the timer finishes. Hell, there should be a small reward for being the ones to claim the initial box, too- something like 2500 for being the first to the box, 10K at 5 increments, and 10K for the 'final' capture.
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Dec 18, 2023 06:41
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^Basically how the tourney rules work Well not exactly but they are way better. You need team discipline tho.
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Tourney is amusing since you can just make the box the 1st place team's problem if you're already in a qualifying position.
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My problem with bank it is it seems like the defensive part of the game just doesn't exist for it, it's kind of just a race. The game seems designed around setting up defenses and also attacking them. It is a fun mode though but I still prefer quick cash.
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amitlu posted:My problem with bank it is it seems like the defensive part of the game just doesn't exist for it, it's kind of just a race. The game seems designed around setting up defenses and also attacking them. Oh you can absolutely play defense and its how i win most of my games: mining the poo poo out of the oldest deposit and running to the fresh one, in an endless cycle of exploding lights delivering their riches to you. Just have to stay ahead of the pack and most of the time the teams will fight each other behind you, send their fast dudes ahead - and they feed you their coins. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp6zCXikTv8 (ideal circumstances displayed) DarkDobe fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Dec 19, 2023 |
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Any recommendations on what to unlock first for each class?
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Any recommendations on what to unlock first for each class? Heavy - Dome shield Medium - Explosive Mines Light - cloak
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Infidelicious posted:Heavy - Dome shield Disagree. Light: glitch grenades Medium: gas mines or glitch mines Yours are good no doubt but glitch grenades win games. Dome shield is a categorical must though yeah
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In terms of weapons I really like the repeater for the medium class (model 1887?) it hits like a truck and doesn’t require pixel perfect aim. (The AK is very good too) For the heavy the Lewis is my go-to, I’ve tried the auto shotgun because people seem to love it but it’s micro reload every 4 shots has hosed me time and again so I’ve ditched it and not looked back. Bank it and tournaments are the best game modes, Quick cash is just a bad version of tournament so I don’t really see the point of it. (unranked tournament is available when you don’t want the sweatiness of ranked) I just hope they do something about cheaters because I’ve seen a couple already and I would hate to see such a fun game ruined by lack of support.
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:
Amen. The shotgun is amazing when you can just delete someone up close, but that 4 round re-rack gets me every time. I feel like it needs a more visible animation or something at least. Lewis gun all the way. I haven't unlocked done shield yet but I love the mesh shield. It's really funny to stutter step anyone using a non-automatic weapon with it. It has a relatively short recovery on deactivation, so you can make people waste a lot of ammo while getting a few shots of your own in. It's great when you get by surprise.
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Kwolok posted:Disagree. Light: glitch grenades Glitch grenades require positioning and game sense, both of which are easier to develop when you're not getting merc'd because grappling hook is on cd. Medium starts with gas mines, but they're actually pretty dangerous to yourself and teammates outside defending a cashout. Ex mines are safer and more generally useful IME.
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also you can put explosive mines on things and throw them at people which is fun. i mean you can do that with gas mines as well i guess but its less fun because there isn't an explosion.
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Snooze Cruise posted:also you can put explosive mines on things and throw them at people which is fun. i mean you can do that with gas mines as well i guess but its less fun because there isn't an explosion. I put my vote in for explosive mines almost solely because they 1-shot lights, and one shotting lights is cathartic beyond measure. Also they let you be clever and mine staircases, doors, ceilings above jump pads, etc - get creative. You get a tone of mileage out of putting the mines on objectives, but if you can mine approaches you'll become Pure Evil and have people rage-add you after games. Demoman build is wonderful. Adding the turret to it really stepped it up another level of fuckery.  (just need to unlock the beanie)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSb8BeJ_2Bk My only real gripe with the game is this inconsistent feeling with some of the damage. Sometimes pipes do less damage to people fighting me than they do to me. Sometimes the light sawn-off one-shots me as a heavy. Sometimes the auto-shotgun 2 taps people, sometimes it takes 4+ shots to do half their health - hard to say if its weird hit reg or my aim being off but something just feels a LITTLE fucky sometimes.
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DarkDobe posted:My only real gripe with the game is this inconsistent feeling with some of the damage. Sometimes pipes do less damage to people fighting me than they do to me. There's definitely something going on, twice now I've been in situations where the same amount of damage was displayed but I died and they didn't and I was at full health, with neither getting heals. Maybe they're doing fractional damage and not displaying it? EG, they did 260.4 damage while I did 260.3999 edit - in both cases it showed 260 damage and mediums only have 250. So yeah, something odd.
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i got four skins at once on my akm at the at moment
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TremorX posted:There's definitely something going on, twice now I've been in situations where the same amount of damage was displayed but I died and they didn't and I was at full health, with neither getting heals. Maybe they're doing fractional damage and not displaying it? EG, they did 260.4 damage while I did 260.3999 There...seems to be 1HP protection/some kind of damage reduction going on; I dunno if it's capping damage on limb shots or what but I lose a lot of fights where they're at a sliver, and I've taken hits I was sure should kill me that left me between 1-5 HP Which, if so and that's not just me making poo poo up/being lucky with a small sample size, really does make automatic weapons a lot more powerful than they already are
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DarkDobe posted:My only real gripe with the game is this inconsistent feeling with some of the damage. Sometimes pipes do less damage to people fighting me than they do to me. i thought i was just bad at first but yeah it's definitely a bit inconsistent playing with the light shotgun is especially noticeable because sometimes it just doesn't do the damage it should and it gets you killed i assume it's a latency thing?
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https://twitter.com/reachthefinals/status/1737418932594597933?t=gBNSWiSkwNyT54t7m-0B8Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/reachthefinals/status/1737434810656698800?t=lhGw7l344LNP5EpTE3MrIA&s=19
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lmao we've been able to put zipline anchors on throwable items?! can't believe I never thought to try. sounds like they've just erased the ability to one shot a Light with a mine
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ur reading that post backwards: it didn't have meaningful destruction, that's my entire point. Welp I'm a moron. I agree with you completely then.
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As someone who doesn't really play a ton of FPS games, this looked interesting so I picked it up. I've gotta say I'm having a blast so far and really surprised more people aren't talking about this. The cash gimmick is interesting, the balance seems pretty good outside of a few minor tweaks that they seem aware of, and overall it's just a ton of fun. I'm looking forward to seeing what this brings beyond the first season.
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Not sure how to feel about removing mine 1-shots on lights. Game is fun, generally, but light vs heavy matchups feel more annoying than fun from both sides.
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It's really cool that they're so willing to quickly change clear balance issues. I'm surprised though they didn't touch the light double barrel. Also grappling hook needs to come off cool down twice as fast imo
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Give everyone the grapple hook. And wall run. Also add a mode where you call in a Titan drop
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FastestGunAlive posted:Give everyone the grapple hook. And wall run. Also add a mode where you call in a Titan drop
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