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Yeah hard doubts on anyone actually good for Palestinians to get in after Netanyahu. The fruit of decades of fascism.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://x.com/navystrang/status/1737123337644675231?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Looking forward to explaining to customers over the next 3 years how everything is expensive again because Israel wants to continue its genocide of the Palestinian people
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Houthis are only targeting Israeli-connected ships, right? So obviously the solution is stop loving dealing with Israel, a thing which you should already be doing because they're poo poo.
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Dec 19, 2023 21:35
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PT6A posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Houthis are only targeting Israeli-connected ships, right? So obviously the solution is stop loving dealing with Israel, a thing which you should already be doing because they're poo poo. Try telling that to your shipping insurance.
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Dec 19, 2023 21:53
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PT6A posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Houthis are only targeting Israeli-connected ships, right? So obviously the solution is stop loving dealing with Israel, a thing which you should already be doing because they're poo poo. The Houthis appear to be targeting ships and then sometimes issuing statements claiming the ships are connected to Israel. It's a pretext.
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Dec 19, 2023 22:16
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Discendo Vox posted:The Houthis appear to be targeting ships and then sometimes issuing statements claiming the ships are connected to Israel. It's a pretext. Kindof hard to see what else they stand to gain.
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Dec 19, 2023 22:45
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Starting to think these antisemitic terror orgs are pretty indiscriminate when it comes to attacks
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Dec 19, 2023 22:47
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Discendo Vox posted:The Houthis appear to be targeting ships and then sometimes issuing statements claiming the ships are connected to Israel. It's a pretext. Considering all the western nations are in the tank for Israel and covering for the genocide they aren’t wrong. Western nations only care about money and they are getting hit in the pocketbook, the only thing that affects them.
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Dec 19, 2023 23:02
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PT6A posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Houthis are only targeting Israeli-connected ships, right? So obviously the solution is stop loving dealing with Israel, a thing which you should already be doing because they're poo poo. They don't have an easy way to verify this, and more indiscriminate economic chaos and disruption only helps their cause of putting pressure on the international community to stop the genocide in Gaza. It's very probably why we've heard more and more politicians talking about the importance of 'moving towards a sustainable ceasefire'. That's so far been empty waffle, but also empty waffle that they weren't bothering with previously.
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Dec 19, 2023 23:10
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I can't believe they're just attacking civilians and then claiming after the fact that their victims were combatants.
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Dec 19, 2023 23:11
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National Parks posted:Looking forward to explaining to customers over the next 3 years how everything is expensive again because Israel wants to continue its genocide of the Palestinian people I was at my dealership waiting for them to finish work on my car earlier last year while the salesmen were having their staff meeting. The manager was telling the associates that when people are haggling, you gotta "hit em with Covid, hit em with the supply chain issues, hit em with the war in Ukraine," and I assume they have added the war in Palestine to the list
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Dec 19, 2023 23:15
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Halloween Jack posted:I can't believe they're just attacking civilians and then claiming after the fact that their victims were combatants. Irony Be My Shield posted:Starting to think these antisemitic terror orgs are pretty indiscriminate when it comes to attacks 
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Dec 19, 2023 23:20
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Halloween Jack posted:I can't believe they're just attacking civilians and then claiming after the fact that their victims were combatants.
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Who are we supposed to be owning here with this? I don't think anyone has said in any way that Israel is cool when they do that.
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Dec 19, 2023 23:31
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Private Speech posted:Kindof hard to see what else they stand to gain. Egypt is getting deprived of a huge source of revenue from the fee to use the suez. These actions place immense pressure on Egypt to make meaningful efforts to stop the Palestinian genocide
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Dec 19, 2023 23:37
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I think it puts more pressure on Western countries to send some battleships to Yemen's coast. Which they seem to have agreed to do now. We'll see how that pans out.
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A big flaming stink posted:Egypt is getting deprived of a huge source of revenue from the fee to use the suez. These actions place immense pressure on Egypt to make meaningful efforts to stop the Palestinian genocide It's much more likely that they will make meaningful effort to stop the Houthis from shooting at ships. It's something they have much more ability to do.
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Paladinus posted:I think it puts more pressure on Western countries to send some battleships to Yemen's coast. Which they seem to have agreed to do now. We'll see how that pans out. Tuna-Fish posted:It's much more likely that they will make meaningful effort to stop the Houthis from shooting at ships. It's something they have much more ability to do. Well, hopefully, it'll get deescalated before then. Otherwise we'll get to see what happens when the rubber hits the road. And to answer your question Kchama it is in response to people saying "they are only targeting civilian shipping" as a pretext when it seems as if the Houthis are doing less wanton damage and care than the IDF.
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Bout to see the US military, which was chill as gently caress about ongoing genocide and torture of millions, get into some REAL poo poo motion about 
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Josef bugman posted:Well, hopefully, it'll get deescalated before then. Otherwise we'll get to see what happens when the rubber hits the road. There is no way you got that from that post. You must have some amazing glasses on, to read so deeply between the lines. Jaxyon posted:Bout to see the US military, which was chill as gently caress about ongoing genocide and torture of millions, get into some REAL poo poo motion about It's always about money.
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Kchama posted:There is no way you got that from that post. You must have some amazing glasses on, to read so deeply between the lines. I mean, I think that was what was being said? The juxtaposition of "this is what they claim to be doing" vs "what is being done". How would you read it, if I can ask?
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Josef bugman posted:I mean, I think that was what was being said? The juxtaposition of "this is what they claim to be doing" vs "what is being done". How would you read it, if I can ask? Pretty blatantly trying to call people out for hypocrisy how Israel also uses said pretext to attack civilians (and kill) when they blatantly know it isn't true. Which is why I was asking "So who are we owning?" since I haven't seen anyone think it is a good thing, even the vaguely more pro-Israel people.
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The Houthis seem to be taking effective action against an ongoing genocide, something the rest of the world is currently incapable of.
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Mia Wasikowska posted:The Houthis seem to be taking effective action against an ongoing genocide, something the rest of the world is currently incapable of.
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Mia Wasikowska posted:The Houthis seem to be taking effective action against an ongoing genocide, something the rest of the world is currently incapable of. Every western government and media outlet will be saying it’s because of Iran instead of support for Gaza. And they will continue to bleed credibility.
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Darth Walrus posted:They don't have an easy way to verify this, and more indiscriminate economic chaos and disruption only helps their cause of putting pressure on the international community to stop the genocide in Gaza. It's very probably why we've heard more and more politicians talking about the importance of 'moving towards a sustainable ceasefire'. That's so far been empty waffle, but also empty waffle that they weren't bothering with previously. https://www.gov.uk/government/speec...oreign-minister quote:We must also think carefully about the nature of any longer-term peace deal. Even before October 7, it was hard to imagine Hamas as a real partner for peace. After October 7, we can have no illusions. Leaving Hamas in power in Gaza would be a permanent roadblock on the path to a two-state solution.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If you read the what the advocates are saying about it you'll see that their point is that a "sustainable ceasefire" can only be achieved if Hamas is destroyed. It's a messaging shift rather than an actual policy change. That was what I was alluding to by 'empty waffle', yes.
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Mia Wasikowska posted:The Houthis seem to be taking effective action against an ongoing genocide, something the rest of the world is currently incapable of. How is it effective action? If Paladinus posted:I think it puts more pressure on Western countries to send some battleships to Yemen's coast. Which they seem to have agreed to do now. We'll see how that pans out.
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Kalit posted:How is it effective action? If Yeah, why would anyone believe that the Houthis could effectively hold out against the US and its proxies?
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Kalit posted:How is it effective action? If I'm going to guess destroying random civilian instructure in Yemen with boats is going to go about as well as the Israelis bombing refugee camps in Gaza in terms of disrupting hamas's or the houthi's military capacity. The Biden administration fighting a direct war with Yemen in an election year isn't going to go over well. National Parks fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Dec 20, 2023 |
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There would be no risk of a regional war or these sorts of disruptions if the global north stopped supporting Israeli genocide. They're just not very clever.
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National Parks posted:I'm going to guess destroying random civilian instructure in Yemen with boats is going to go about as well as the Israelis bombing refugee camps in Gaza in terms of disrupting hamas's military capacity. Huh? If the US/other Western nations got mad at the Houthis for attacking civilian ships and/or blocking a canal, they’d simply destroy the ships doing said things. I’m unsure why you think anyone would start bombing civilian infrastructure when the objective would be to get rid of the ships who are doing said things… Kalit fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Dec 20, 2023 |
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Kalit posted:Huh? If the US/other Western nations got mad at the Houthis for blocking a canal, they’d simply destroy the ships blocking the canal. I’m unsure why you think anyone would start bombing civilian infrastructure when the objective is to clear the canal… The problem isn't ships in the canal, the problem is that drones launched from Yemen are being used to attack ships. They've been able to intercept some with military vessels, but having to continuously do that is not cost effective and it may not even fix the underlying problem of ships getting attacked in the shipping lane. The solution is to either negotiate an end to it or do something about the people launching the drones, playing prevent defense is not an actual answer
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BougieBitch posted:The problem isn't ships in the canal, the problem is that drones launched from Yemen are being used to attack ships. They've been able to intercept some with military vessels, but having to continuously do that is not cost effective and it may not even fix the underlying problem of ships getting attacked in the shipping lane. The solution is to either negotiate an end to it or do something about the people launching the drones, playing prevent defense is not an actual answer Ahhh, I hadn’t heard the latest news about drones, I only heard about the initial attacks from other ships. That clears things up a bit, thanks for the explanation.
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The US would rather fight a new war than stop a genocide.
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hadji murad posted:The US would rather fight a new war than stop a genocide. We could probably use fewer incendiary / smug one-liners hereabouts, especially in an environment where there's legit a good bit to discuss about piracy, shipping lanes, historical respones, and so on. What is your statement actually adding to the discussion? An implication that the US will start a new war, that you do not elaborate upon, and an expression of irritation/anger? In a thread where the rules broadly discourage low-effort rageposting, because we're extremely aware that this topic can easily degenerate into endless angry screaming? Maybe let's not do this thing.
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Kalit posted:Ahhh, I hadn’t heard the latest news about drones, I only heard about the initial attacks from other ships. That clears things up a bit, thanks for the explanation. The drones could also reach some important oil rigs and refineries, which is another reason the USA hasn't done anything about this yet. Also another reason why Saudi Arabia wouldn't join the coalition to stop them. Right now all the USA is doing is using interceptors that cost close to a million dollars on drones that cost more than a hundred times less. The question is if the Houthi will run out of lawnmower powered drones before the USA runs out of million dollar interceptors.
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Private Speech posted:Kindof hard to see what else they stand to gain. Most of the ships have little to no connection with Israel. Not going to/from there, no flagged there, ship not owned by Israelis, ship not operated by Israelis. A couple have had tenuous links like "A rich Israeli guy is a part owner in the company that chartered the ship".
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Foxfire_ posted:Most of the ships have little to no connection with Israel. Not going to/from there, no flagged there, ship not owned by Israelis, ship not operated by Israelis. A couple have had tenuous links like "A rich Israeli guy is a part owner in the company that chartered the ship". It seems more as if the attacks are targeting all civilian shipping in an effort to force people to a negotiating table. However even with the capture there have been few, if any, deaths from what I can see. Whilst still this could be argued to be bad I think that this could also be considered a good thing? It seems to be more like direct attacks on trade as a method of disruption far more than terror attacks?
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Josef bugman posted:It seems more as if the attacks are targeting all civilian shipping in an effort to force people to a negotiating table. However even with the capture there have been few, if any, deaths from what I can see. Whilst still this could be argued to be bad I think that this could also be considered a good thing? It seems to be more like direct attacks on trade as a method of disruption far more than terror attacks? Their just trying to justify their piracy. They don't give a poo poo about Gazans.
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