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Intruder posted:I guess it depends on your definition of "winning" a trade. Like Sabathia was never going to reup with Cleveland so getting Brantley for him is a win, but if you compare their two careers post-trade it's more of a push The Red Sox traded Nomar for a worse shortstop and a glove-first first baseman and won the World Series.
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https://twitter.com/ByRobertMurray/status/1737578831157084330 It surprised me a little that the Brewers offered arbitration to Houser and Taylor in the first place so yea give me the TJ guy. It’s funny Houser was traded today since I always thought of him as a lovely James Shields, who was just brought up in this thread as well as was part of the also mentioned Carlos Gomez trade. Sinker/curveball guy who gives up dingers but eats innings, ah yea. These types of guys always make me sad because they have value when they are pre-arb and have minor league options but quickly lose value once they hit arb and become camp guys.
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Mets stock of Crow prospects really taking a hit in recent years.
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Popete posted:Mets stock of Crow prospects really taking a hit in recent years. You might even say it’s been murder-ed
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Eeew, Bob! https://x.com/Pirates/status/1737495824857268279?s=20
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Hand Row posted:https://twitter.com/ByRobertMurray/status/1737578831157084330 I don't think you can say a guy with a career high of 140.2 IP "eats innings"
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tadashi posted:I still can't comprehend that trade. I remember and it was a lot of ambivalent feelings about Nomar since he was constantly hurt. Also Orlando Cabrera learned a secret handshake from every team member so was he worse?!
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Julio Cruz posted:I don't think you can say a guy with a career high of 140.2 IP "eats innings" It was more in the context of a depth guys where you just need someone to throw the drat ball and eat a few innings.
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Inspector_666 posted:One of the wildest things about the Mookie trade is that people will still defend it and say Mookie was dead set on testing the FA market! Iirc, it was something Mookie talked about a fair bit, and it was in keeping with how he'd conducted his entire career to that point.
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Otoh you could just agree to pay a lot of money to the fan favourite borderline generational talent you drafted and developed in his age 27 season. OR, Verdugo!
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https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/angels-reportedly-worried-about-anthony-rendons-attitude-ml0802 "Angels reportedly worried about Anthony Rendon's attitude" oh loving word?
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Perhaps the Angels medical staff should apply leeches in an attempt to rebalance his humors. If Anthony Rendon I sure as gently caress wouldn’t trust their medical staff. Look at how they take care of Trout.
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I'll set the over/under for Rendon ABs next season at 100. Which side you got?
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mdemone posted:https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/angels-reportedly-worried-about-anthony-rendons-attitude-ml0802 I am equal parts sad for you and entertained by the fiasco lmao
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Yeah the most shocking thing I've seen in all my years following MLB is Boston trading Betts. I don't think there is a close second.
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Bregor posted:I am equal parts sad for you and entertained by the fiasco lmao At this point I've looped back around to finding it entertaining as well. I will be hate-watching next season and rooting for some of the young guys to do well so they can get traded.
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I still have not returned to being a Red Sox fan since they traded Mookie Betts. I'm not raging mad about it anymore, but why the gently caress should I trust the owners at this point? They had a guy who's the best position player the team had produced since at least Yazstremski, in the prime of his career, and had more than enough money to pay the man. So they traded him as part of a salary dump. gently caress John Henry. e: right now Betts is 10th in right fielder JAWS and 4th in WAR7, he's 16th in career WAR at age 31. The guy is already a worthy hall of famer and gonna end up being on the verge of inner circle if he has a graceful decline phase. And you trade him for Alex loving Verdugo? Because he's gonna cost you some money to extend? gently caress all the way off. Henry and company got spoiled by Big Papi not having a huge market elsewhere and having a career shape that didn't ever land him a giant contract. And they got cheap because they got bored. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Dec 21, 2023 |
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mdemone posted:I'll set the over/under for Rendon ABs next season at 100. I'll take over. I bet it's 120.
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There were a lot of rumors that Betts didn't want to stay in Boston and would have bolted at the end of the year. The trade was awful but it got them out of having to pay Price and give Betts a new contract, which is perfect for their current cheapskate mentality. So they will just justify it by saying Betts was going to leave anyway and they got to dump David Price
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It's hard for me to think of Boston as this like Milwaukie type ownership because I grew up on them being 1A to the Yankees in terms of big market teams.
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habeasdorkus posted:I still have not returned to being a Red Sox fan since they traded Mookie Betts. I'm not raging mad about it anymore, but why the gently caress should I trust the owners at this point? They had a guy who's the best position player the team had produced since at least Yazstremski, in the prime of his career, and had more than enough money to pay the man. So they traded him as part of a salary dump. gently caress John Henry. I dunno, Wade Boggs is pretty drat close if not better. He was mind boggling in the mid-late 80s. FWIW, looking at first 6 years or first 5 full years, bWAR and bWAA both rate them dead even.
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It’s really rough as a fan when a team trades away a HOF talent. I watched that happen with us trading Miguel Cabrera for a bunch of prospects that mostly didn’t pan out, or they didn’t do anything with our team
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Nodoze posted:There were a lot of rumors that read: the ownership group leaked a lot of bullshit to Boston reporters
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Bregor posted:read: the ownership group leaked a lot of bullshit to Boston reporters Probably yeah, knowing the way they operate.
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Nodoze posted:There were a lot of rumors that Betts didn't want to stay in Boston and would have bolted at the end of the year. The trade was awful but it got them out of having to pay Price and give Betts a new contract, which is perfect for their current cheapskate mentality. So they will just justify it by saying Betts was going to leave anyway and they got to dump David Price
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howe_sam posted:Iirc, it was something Mookie talked about a fair bit, and it was in keeping with how he'd conducted his entire career to that point. I mean, sure, but then he signed an extension!
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Betts wanting to go to free agency while in Boston and then signing an extension in LA seems pretty reasonable. Betts to Boston: I would like $365 million please Boston: No, gently caress you Betts: I don't want to play here any more <Trade> Betts to LA: I would like $365 million please LA: OK
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Try this One Weird Trick to retaining Hall of Fame talent!
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Betts has always claimed he was negotiating with the Red Sox when they traded him and was planning to live there through his entire career.
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mdemone posted:I'll set the over/under for Rendon ABs next season at 100. Typically an over/under is a number impossible to obtain like 99.5 since you can’t have half an at-bat. The way you just set it up everyone could lose if Rendon gets exactly 100 ABs. Actually everyone losing is expected for Angels baseball so I’ll take that.
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mdemone posted:https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/angels-reportedly-worried-about-anthony-rendons-attitude-ml0802 Sam Blum Of The Athletic posted:Beyond his health, the team has had concerns about his attitude. He often hasn’t communicated information about his injuries to the media. And he believed his shin bruise last year was a fracture, while the team’s doctors all said otherwise. The mystery of the Rendon's shin
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Popete posted:The mystery of the Rendon's shin He did his own research
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Alternative medical facts.
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