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text editor posted:Israel has video of the three hostages escaping from Hamas, pulled from the bodycam of a dead IDF dog sent in as a scout (like a real German shepherd) Oh Hamas didn't let them go, they escaped? Woo boy what an own goal. Getting out of the hands of Hamas, who by accounts has not been torturing people, and running straight into a bunch of Israeli dipshits who shoot anything that moves.
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Hatebag posted:neat. i wonder why they made single shot bolt actions though. fewer springs? idk, not a gun guy. i guess the cycling would need to be pretty precisely made in order to not gently caress up after a few rounds though off the cuff reason is you don't need to worry about a gas tube through the barrel or any recoiling assemblies and then tuning them for whatever bullet weight+velocity and powder charge+powder type(the infamous jamming in the m16 was because it was engineered for a specific powder which was then changed when front line troops got them in vietnam). similar reasons for single shot, designing a magazine that doesn't gently caress up is actually notoriously tricky. plus from a guerilla perspective there's not going to be much call for followup shots from these guys. their whole MO is pop out of their hiding place, kill someone, and vanish.
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Halloween Jack posted:They should create a system where medals and promotions earned by IDF soldiers go to those ultra-Orthodox guys who don't serve. thats genius
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Hatebag posted:neat. i wonder why they made single shot bolt actions though. fewer springs? idk, not a gun guy. i guess the cycling would need to be pretty precisely made in order to not gently caress up after a few rounds though For precision shooting, a bolt action has less moving parts which means better repeatability and a more reliable zero on the gun. For a semi automatic rifle you indeed need to machine everything very accurately to have all the parts cycle over and over without even tiny variations. And even then, modern militaries still use bolt action rifles for snipers or marksmen for the above reasons. These guns are not being made for a guy who is under fire, so a magazine is an extra luxury and introduces a bunch of complexity, given their limited access to machining tooling. easier to just have him single load it from ammo he keeps in a pouch or case. They can focus all of their effort on the bolt, the chamber, and the barrel, which is all they technically need. These guys sit and wait for their chance, shoot, and regardless of whether they kill an IDF soldier or not, they need to move because the IDF still has more resources to call in airstrikes or lob tank rounds in his general direction.
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30.5 Days posted:The IDF blew away my son. But I never hated them. I said, 'Thank you for your service.'
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Admiral Bosch posted:off the cuff reason is you don't need to worry about a gas tube through the barrel or any recoiling assemblies and then tuning them for whatever bullet weight+velocity and powder charge+powder type(the infamous jamming in the m16 was because it was engineered for a specific powder which was then changed when front line troops got them in vietnam). yeah, i just read about how the m82's cycling works and that seems like an unnecessary amount of complication for a gun to do hit and fade potshots. especially if you're making them in a bunker with extremely limited materials quote:The M82 is a short-recoil semi-automatic firearm. When the gun is fired, the barrel initially recoils for a short distance (about 1 inch (25 mm)), while being securely locked by the rotating bolt. After the short travel, the lower part of the accelerator arm, held by the receiver upper part, is already hinged in the bolt carrier and the middle portion strikes it back to the barrel by a rod placed in the bolt carrier, transferring part of the recoil energy of the barrel to the bolt to achieve reliable cycling and unlock it from the barrel. The bolt is unlocked by turning in the curved cam track in the bolt carrier. Then the barrel is stopped by the combined effect of the accelerator, buffer spring, and the muzzle brake and the bolt continues back, to extract and eject a spent case.[clarification needed] On its return stroke, the bolt strips the fresh cartridge from the box magazine and feeds it into the chamber and finally locks itself to the barrel. The striker is also cocked on the return stroke of the bolt. The gun is fed from a large, detachable box magazine holding up to ten rounds, although a rare twelve-round magazine was developed for use during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. especially since you can probably just manually reload in a few seconds anyway
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PostNouveau posted:There's some similar argument on "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" because people say the Hamas version of that slogan is like "From the river to the sea, death to all the Jews" and I have no idea if that's for real or a similar twisting of words. So naturally this means any pro-Palestine demonstrators around the world want genocide, according to Hasbara. you're giving them too much credit, the hasbara line is "oh, 'palestine will be free'? free of WHAT? JEWS? I SEE"
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Admiral Bosch posted:https://twitter.com/AoR3138/status/1737535002454163863 This reminds me of NATO 155mm shell production factories.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:These guns are not being made for a guy who is under fire, so a magazine is an extra luxury and introduces a bunch of complexity, given their limited access to machining tooling. easier to just have him single load it from ammo he keeps in a pouch or case. They can focus all of their effort on the bolt, the chamber, and the barrel, which is all they technically need. These guys sit and wait for their chance, shoot, and regardless of whether they kill an IDF soldier or not, they need to move because the IDF still has more resources to call in airstrikes or lob tank rounds in his general direction.
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Admiral Bosch posted:https://twitter.com/AoR3138/status/1737535002454163863 Wearing gloves while using a lathe? These guys are more of a danger to themselves than the IDF could ever be.
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Admiral Bosch posted:https://twitter.com/AoR3138/status/1737535002454163863 I wonder if the janitors at the qassam arms factory also wear the headband balaclava combo
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm also not a gun guy, but aren't these .50 rifles? I don't see why you'd need or want a box mag for that. I only remember that scene in Hurt Locker where the .50 box mag doesn't work because it had blood on it or something.
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:I wonder if the janitors at the qassam arms factory also wear the headband balaclava combo I’d like to think so and that everyone sees the value of everyone else’s work and there are a lot of high 5s and positive affirmations exchanged
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm also not a gun guy, but aren't these .50 rifles? I don't see why you'd need or want a box mag for that. to keep the ammo clean and ready to fire, and to facilitate faster follow up shots. thats why modern .50 cal rifles use them. its not a perfect situation to have to have the shooter grab each round and manually place it into the gun. that has a higher chance of introducing dirt into the action. but given what hamas is working with, that is a sacrifice they are smart to make.
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HazCat posted:Wearing gloves while using a lathe? These guys are more of a danger to themselves than the IDF could ever be. i also wanted to point that out(and the long sleeves). it's dangerous but i'm telling myself they're only all dolled up like that for this obvious propaganda shoot, and are working in shortsleeves normally.
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the bullets are marked "12.7 Qassam" probably mm. So yeah more or less 50cal. I can see them wanting as much strength so theyre not handing out pipe bombs to their snipers. The more gun and military brained can probably glean a lot from these videos about their operations and what kind of material is available to them. Theyve also named the rifle the "Adnan AlGhoul rifle". Rigged Death Trap has issued a correction as of 21:36 on Dec 20, 2023 |
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PostNouveau posted:Oh Hamas didn't let them go, they escaped? according to what I read their captors died in a firefight on the 10th, they left the building shortly after and wandered around for 5 days waiting for help before dying on the 15th
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Rigged Death Trap posted:the bullets are marked "12.7 Qassam" probably mm. yeah, i would imagine they have to overbuild the chamber and barrel too for that reason since their starting materials are imperfect a lot of the time. just amazing ingenuity.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:the bullets are marked "12.7 Qassam" probably mm. i figure they also wanted to be able to scavenge ammo from idf supplies or use ammo they seized in other places. it's funny hamas uses basically all american style rifles and even their zipgun anti materiel rifle looks like an m82
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how the gently caress do you wander around for 5 days, it would take two hours to walk to the east fence from anywhere in Gaza
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Admiral Bosch posted:i also wanted to point that out(and the long sleeves). it's dangerous but i'm telling myself they're only all dolled up like that for this obvious propaganda shoot, and are working in shortsleeves normally. yup this is just theatre. but short sleeves or no, you know that they're wearing flip flops and no eye protection usually.
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carcinofuck posted:yup this is just theatre. but short sleeves or no, you know that they're wearing flip flops and no eye protection usually. then i have some strong words for their shop floor manager
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Hatebag posted:neat. i wonder why they made single shot bolt actions though. fewer springs? idk, not a gun guy. i guess the cycling would need to be pretty precisely made in order to not gently caress up after a few rounds though Simple design, less ways to malfunction/Jam, and probably most importantly it is kind of a known problem for long-range shooting that gas-cycled guns like the AR-10 tend to be less accurate than their bolt action equivalents. Not sure on the exact cause but I'd imagine it has something to do with the way the gas system works that makes for minute pressure differences inside the barrel between the edge of the barrel near the gas tube and the edge opposite it Again, just guessing on the reason, but bolt action guns being more accurate than gas-cycled semiautomatics is fairly well established I suppose the only way to know for sure how effective it is would be to goad some guntuber into trying to import one for a video
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World War Mammories posted:you're giving them too much credit, the hasbara line is "oh, 'palestine will be free'? free of WHAT? JEWS? I SEE" Zionists think the word “Palestine” is antiSemitic and that the existence of Palestinians is anti-semitic
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They're probably single shot bolt actions because they're being made by a guy in a tunnel
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text editor posted:I suppose the only way to know for sure how effective it is would be to goad some guntuber into trying to import one for a video Theyll immediately slam some really sketchy ammo into it and kentucky ballistics themselves
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Sancho Banana posted:*American POW coming back home* "they tortured me. Those sickos tried to mess up my loving mind. They told me America is racist" "These fuckin' guys said it's capocollo, not gabagool. like the most antisemitic poo poo I ever heard, bro."
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/20/israel-gaza-war-live-updates-ceasefire-hamas-chief-egypt-hostage-talks-palestine The US delaying UN votes again, quell surprise if after all of this the US still votes it down
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text editor posted:according to what I read their captors died in a firefight on the 10th, they left the building shortly after and wandered around for 5 days waiting for help before dying on the 15th wandered around for 5 days? in Gaza? how? like actually, how do you manage that without accidentally making it to not-Gaza?
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30.5 Days posted:The IDF blew away my son. But I never hated them. I said, 'Thank you for your service.'
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Dr Sun Try posted:wandered around for 5 days? in Gaza? how? keep running into places the idf is bombing so you go in another direction
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text editor posted:Simple design, less ways to malfunction/Jam, and probably most importantly it is kind of a known problem for long-range shooting that gas-cycled guns like the AR-10 tend to be less accurate than their bolt action equivalents. box mag doesn't implicitly mean gas-cycled. A mosin has a 5 rd internal mag which people sometimes replace with box mags, but they are still bolt guns. .50 box-mag sniper rifles are also bolt guns, for reliability and accuracy reasons. I haven't been a gun person in 10+ years but my bleary memory is that basically all self-loading .50s are machine guns, which have a different set of use cases (and also, based on experience shooting them mostly with TFR people, jam up constantly compared to bolt guns that just go boom forever). A detachable magazine is a luxury when you're handcrafting weapons with machine shop tools. The less articulating parts you have, the less places you have where loving up a .1mm space matters.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:box mag doesn't implicitly mean gas-cycled. A mosin has a 5 rd internal mag which people sometimes replace with box mags, but they are still bolt guns. .50 box-mag sniper rifles are also bolt guns, for reliability and accuracy reasons. I haven't been a gun person in 10+ years but my bleary memory is that basically all self-loading .50s are machine guns, which have a different set of use cases (and also, based on experience shooting them mostly with TFR people, jam up constantly compared to bolt guns that just go boom forever). mostly right but there are self loading semi automatic .50 BMG rifles. i can't speak to any military use case but in the states they are a toy for the rich
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text editor posted:Simple design, less ways to malfunction/Jam, and probably most importantly it is kind of a known problem for long-range shooting that gas-cycled guns like the AR-10 tend to be less accurate than their bolt action equivalents. Not sure on the exact cause but I'd imagine it has something to do with the way the gas system works that makes for minute pressure differences inside the barrel between the edge of the barrel near the gas tube and the edge opposite it yeah, you need precision machining to have the repeatability of the entire action. if the bolt is milliseconds slower or fast in between shots, or the firing pin extends 1 millisecond off, or it hits the case in a slightly different spot, all of that adds up and for a long range shot, introduces variation that can mean a follow up shot misses, or the bullet does not hit where the zero indicates it should. these guys want the gun to be as predictable as possible given their limited capacity, so anything extraneous is being abandoned.
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Orange Devil posted:This reminds me of NATO 155mm shell production factories. Except these guys actually make shells.
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hadji murad posted:Comedians in Cars Getting Qassamed
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Sancho Banana posted:"Iris, mother of Yotam Haim, sent a message to the fighters of the 17th battalion that accidently shot her son in Gaza: 'I love you and hug you from afar. What happened wasn't your fault and isn't the fault of anyone other than Hamas. Don't hesitate for a moment. If you see a terrorist - don't think you've killed a hostage. Protect yourselves and only that way you can protect us'" NBD she already has a state owned zombaby replacement on order
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Theyve also named the rifle the "Adnan AlGhoul rifle". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_al-Ghoul quote:Adnan was not an "ordinary rank-and-file" terrorist operative but rather a top-ranking terrorist of Hamas' military-terrorist apparatus in the Gaza Strip.
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Thoguh posted:Why would you need a task force to do something that’s taught as a standard homework assignment in undergrad data analytics and coding classes? drat did I miss out by not being a grifting consultant. Give me an hour with excel solver or some standard Python libraries and I’ll have that for you, $1,000,000 please. Pff JUST $1M? That's not a serious solution, disregarded.
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