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LatwPIAT
Jun 6, 2011

That Old Tree posted:

Hmmm. First, to complain a little more about my former beloved Rolemaster, since Potential Stats are generated on a progressive scale, the statistical likelihood of getting a really lovely Potential is virtually zero, and that minuscule possibility only exists for stats that you super dump on at character creation. As you go up the scale for temp stats at character creation, you're rolling fewer dice so you are statistically more likely to get a lovely roll, but also the floor for your potential stat rises.

Oh, probably. From what I remember of how it works, the average Potential is halfway up the scale from where you are, so even a starting 20 will get you to 60 on an average roll, and 90% of the time it'll be higher than 50. It's less the specific implementation and more the concept I find interesting.

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Antifreeze Head posted:

My biggest concern is that people already vastly overplay a mild negative modifier, so I shudder to think how someone will believe to be appropriate for an intelligence of two.
If you've got people in your group who are like "My character has INT 3 so a hurr durr durr durr" there's no substitute for telling them to knock that poo poo off.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Kai Tave posted:

There's a substantial difference in personal investment when all the guys are essentially acting as one big character for you to play as, versus an actual single character which is your sole focal point.

I miss playing the Warlord and vicariously being all the guys.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Antifreeze Head posted:

I'm going to try that for the next one-shot I run.

My biggest concern is that people already vastly overplay a mild negative modifier, so I shudder to think how someone will believe to be appropriate for an intelligence of two.

Maybe I'd just allow the PC to be whatever in the monster manual seems closest to the stats they get. Let's see what kind of shenanigans a dog bard, awakened tree cleric, mimic sorcerer and bulette theif can get up to!

https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/230312/monstrous-races

I bought this years ago, seemed neat enough for $3.

Lambo Trillrissian
May 18, 2007

Antifreeze Head posted:

I'm going to try that for the next one-shot I run.

My biggest concern is that people already vastly overplay a mild negative modifier, so I shudder to think how someone will believe to be appropriate for an intelligence of two.

Maybe I'd just allow the PC to be whatever in the monster manual seems closest to the stats they get. Let's see what kind of shenanigans a dog bard, awakened tree cleric, mimic sorcerer and bulette theif can get up to!

it did inspire my home group to theorycraft the "1 int, 20 cha Wizard" who covered up not being able to actually cast spells by abusing Use Magic Device skill checks

still better than a 3.5 fighter :(

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

Lambo Trillrissian posted:

it did inspire my home group to theorycraft the "1 int, 20 cha Wizard" who covered up not being able to actually cast spells by abusing Use Magic Device skill checks

still better than a 3.5 fighter :(

No, that's demonstrably worse than a 3.5 fighter. They can do the same thing, but have d10 HD and full BAB. EDIT: And more bonus feats.

lightrook
Nov 7, 2016

Pin 188

Zurai posted:

No, that's demonstrably worse than a 3.5 fighter. They can do the same thing, but have d10 HD and full BAB. EDIT: And more bonus feats.

Not quite! You can cast a spell through a wand without a UMD check if it's on your spell list, even if you can't personally cast it. So the wizard fraud still has an edge at using wands of wizard spells, i.e. most of them.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.
Did WOTC step in the AI poop again?

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1642-updated-statement-on-ai

Lambo Trillrissian
May 18, 2007

Zurai posted:

No, that's demonstrably worse than a 3.5 fighter. They can do the same thing, but have d10 HD and full BAB. EDIT: And more bonus feats.

If I recall correctly the idea hinged around doing dumb stuff to optimize clumsy jank like Craft Construct that was gatekept behind caster level prereqs but technically didn't require actually knowing the spells. But this was a long time ago and we were still basically children so, who knows. I have not thought this much about D&D in a decade so I'm not too worried about being very wrong

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:

Lambo Trillrissian posted:

it did inspire my home group to theorycraft the "1 int, 20 cha Wizard" who covered up not being able to actually cast spells by abusing Use Magic Device skill checks

still better than a 3.5 fighter :(

https://youtu.be/a6tQ6P0jCvg?si=yrwr_vPH-maXLfBT

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Halloween Jack posted:

If you've got people in your group who are like "My character has INT 3 so a hurr durr durr durr" there's no substitute for telling them to knock that poo poo off.
IIRC RAW a character with int 3 is non-sapient. "hurr durr durr durr" would be too advanced.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Congrats, you've made D&D Rincewind.

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


Splicer posted:

IIRC RAW a character with int 3 is non-sapient. "hurr durr durr durr" would be too advanced.

You're off by one. It's less than 3 that's non-sapient.

Lurks With Wolves
Jan 14, 2013

At least I don't dance with them, right?

There's the art stuff posted on the previous page and a MtG job posting for someone who knows how to photoshop things that both looked AI-adjacent at a glance but when you look at them deeper they're standard generic D&D fantasy art/standard Photoshop job offers that aren't necessarily AI-related in the first place. Which is probably why this response is just a Beyond post and not even a blog post about how they're cutting ties with an artist that used AI.

EDIT: They made a separate blog post about the second thing I mentioned. In both cases, it definitely looks like they saw people freaking out about AI for no reason and made a basic post to make people relax. Also, the relevant discussion is more pages back than I thought, but this is the most relevant part.

Lurks With Wolves fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 19, 2023

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Congrats, you've made D&D Rincewind.

Rincewind is smart enough to run away from dangerous things. In fact he's the Disk's leading expert on Cruel and Unusual Geography.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Kinda the joke with Rincewind is that he's pretty competent at most aspects of wizardry that don't involve casting spells.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Lemniscate Blue posted:

Rincewind is smart enough to run away from dangerous things. In fact he's the Disk's leading expert on Cruel and Unusual Geography.

He's the Professor of it, even!

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Kinda the joke with Rincewind is that he's pretty competent at most aspects of wizardry that don't involve casting spells.

Which makes him a pretty drat good Discworld wizard because all the really good wizards from there understand how much of a pain magic is and go out of their way not to use it whenever possible. It's not that they can't turn you into a newt, it's actually surprisingly simple, it's that a good wizard knows they shouldn't because hauling off and doing that is just asking for trouble.

Gatto Grigio
Feb 9, 2020

Make a low-INT Sorcerer that thinks he’s a wizard and lets CHA do all the heavy lifting.

Carry a “spellbook” that’s just terrible poetry and pornographic doodles

YggdrasilTM
Nov 7, 2011

I did play a int 11 wizard once, in 3.5E. He was forced to become a wizard by a family curse.

Eastmabl
Jan 29, 2019

senrath posted:

You're off by one. It's less than 3 that's non-sapient.

There is a 3.0 splat book where the author suggests if you roll a 3 for a stat that you play a half orc and put the 3 into Int so the racial penalty is nonexistent.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



It's because they can't have a stat below 3, so the splat assumed the 3 would remain a 3.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

senrath posted:

You're off by one. It's less than 3 that's non-sapient.
IDNRC

YggdrasilTM
Nov 7, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

It's because they can't have a stat below 3, so the splat assumed the 3 would remain a 3.

In general you can, but you can't have INT below 3, since that is not-sapient.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸
This hobby is such gibberish sometimes

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


Gatto Grigio posted:

Make a low-INT Sorcerer that thinks he’s a wizard and lets CHA do all the heavy lifting.

Carry a “spellbook” that’s just terrible poetry and pornographic doodles

This is the character of Hamid from Rusty Quill Gaming. Halfling sorcerer who thinks he's a halfling wizard, just got expelled from magic school because he can't make magic work the way it's supposed to in the books, but inexplicably a handful of spells work perfectly for him. And he woke up this morning after a big fight yesterday... suddenly able to do scorching ray, a spell he never learned.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Splicer posted:

This hobby is such gibberish sometimes

The thread tends to dissplve into the orange goo from Evangelion in between dogpiling someone for misspeaking or someone in the industry making GBS threads the bed

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Omnicrom posted:

Which makes him a pretty drat good Discworld wizard because all the really good wizards from there understand how much of a pain magic is and go out of their way not to use it whenever possible. It's not that they can't turn you into a newt, it's actually surprisingly simple, it's that a good wizard knows they shouldn't because hauling off and doing that is just asking for trouble.

quote:

Any ignorant fool can fail to turn someone else into a frog. You had to be clever to refrain from doing it when you knew how easy it was. There were places in the world commemorating those times when wizards hadn’t been quite as clever as that, and on many of them the grass would never grow again.

admanb
Jun 18, 2014

Terry Pratchett was a fundamentally optimistic storyteller, so a lot of the wizard stuff was like "you know all those worlds where wizards caused an apocalypse because they didn't know when to stop? What if they just... did."

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

admanb posted:

Terry Pratchett was a fundamentally optimistic storyteller, so a lot of the wizard stuff was like "you know all those worlds where wizards caused an apocalypse because they didn't know when to stop? What if they just... did."

It comes close a couple of times, in The Light Fantastic and Sourcery.

CitizenKeen
Nov 13, 2003

easygoing pedant
Is there some (unusual) drama surrounding the Candela Obscura RPG and politics? Seeing some vague tweets.

admanb
Jun 18, 2014

CitizenKeen posted:

Is there some (unusual) drama surrounding the Candela Obscura RPG and politics? Seeing some vague tweets.

The only thing I could find is that a YouTube channel with under 2k subscribers that interviewed Macris a month ago posted a review that currently has 680 comments.

WaywardWoodwose
May 19, 2008

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

admanb posted:

The only thing I could find is that a YouTube channel with under 2k subscribers that interviewed Macris a month ago posted a review that currently has 680 comments.

What I heard was, It's just Blades in the Dark with the serial numbers scratched off, but they scratched too deep.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Looks like the new DTRPG site design actually includes your account and settings now.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



It's extremely funny they have a setting based on Victorian London but that is also the victim of an unjustified invasion.

admanb
Jun 18, 2014

WaywardWoodwose posted:

What I heard was, It's just Blades in the Dark with the serial numbers scratched off, but they scratched too deep.

We knew that already though, and it wouldn’t generate any drama.

The system is designed by Stras though, so…

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Pvt.Scott posted:

No you're not wrong, I am. lol

E: doesn't explain my experience with people exclusively using the standard array or point buy. Maybe I'm just weird

It makes sense for online games or drop in games where your group isn't necessarily long term friends and people may be bringing premade characters. You have provably fair stats rather than everybody giving side eye to the guy who claims he rolled 18, 18, 17, 18, 15, 12.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Facebook Aunt posted:

It makes sense for online games or drop in games where your group isn't necessarily long term friends and people may be bringing premade characters. You have provably fair stats rather than everybody giving side eye to the guy who claims he rolled 18, 18, 17, 18, 15, 12.
Array and point buy were the standard in 4e with rolling included as a "you can also do this, but don't".

Also array is required for adventurers league.

Also rolling for stats in 3.x+ is stupid.

So Pvt. Scott is probably playing with a mix of ex-4e players, people who started in AL, and/or intelligent correct opinion havers.

Splicer fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Dec 21, 2023

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Pathfinder 2e has good character creation. You just choose where your bonuses go, and your class tells you what stats the class needs and also gives you an extra boost to one of them.

Rolling is cool for something very short term or with very disposable characters, but I can't imagine doing it for like a real campaign.

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CitizenKeen posted:

Is there some (unusual) drama surrounding the Candela Obscura RPG and politics? Seeing some vague tweets.

I see a lot of negative reviews of it on YouTube by people who are mad that there aren't PVP mechanics and that the mechanics aren't heavier and more neutral. One guy was saying that it wasn't a real game because the antagonists don't get it turn they only respond to the PC turns

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