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Marx Headroom: May 10, 2007; AT LAST! A show with nonono ~~commercials~~!; Fallen Rib

Viper at 3/4 is loving rough, drat. Hood > Viper was one of my best openers and Sentry > Shang + Viper was one of my best closers.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:37

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 01:49

No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Maximus 2/6??? Can someone explain?

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:37

godogg: Dec 29, 2008

Marx Headroom posted:

Viper at 3/4 is loving rough, drat. Hood > Viper was one of my best openers and Sentry > Shang + Viper was one of my best closers.

And is Havok/Viper even all that prevalent? Nobody's playing it in Conquest, anyways

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:39

Skippy McPants: Mar 19, 2009

Red posted:

https://twitter.com/MarvelSnapZone/status/1737903697324073282

Now I want Martyr

Holy poo poo. Speaking of Bounce nerfs. +1 cost on Widow and WWBN is huge.

Viper nerf is interesting, bless that Prof X. nerf. The card needs a full rework, but I'll take whatever I can get for now.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:39

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

No Wave posted:

Maximus 2/6??? Can someone explain?

they like him in blob decks and feel like he could see some use in other decks than surfer, according to their patch notes

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:40

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

No Wave posted:

Maximus 2/6??? Can someone explain?

I guess the idea is that it will increase his play rate

I still think the Prof X nerf is a bit much

The WWbN nerf feels like a nerf on Loki

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:40

flatluigi: Apr 23, 2008; here come the planes

here's the notes, from discord

quote:

December 21st - Balance Updates
We hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season! The Hellfire Gala season is coming to a close, and we hope you've enjoyed it. Second Dinner will be breaking for a week as we move into the New Year, and we'll see you there with a shiny new patch in January. 2023 has been a huge year for SNAP, thanks for joining us on the journey!

Without further ado, the final OTA of the year.
Professor X
[Old] 5/3 - Ongoing: Lock down this location. (Cards can't be added, removed, etc.)
[Change] 5/3 -> 5/1
It's all fun and games when you're curving Warpath into Destroyer� but that's not really what's been happening with Professor X lately. As we've pushed on the ability to access extra Energy or attack locations without playing directly to them, Xavier has become a centerpiece threat in decks aiming to aggressively restrict the play space within the game. As we discussed when adjusting Galactus many moons ago, that's a dynamic we want to control carefully.

Professor X decks are especially effective at preying on metagames in flux or certain featured locations. Those are both times when we'd prefer players focus on the excitement of what's possible vs. insulating themselves from the threat of a locked-down location. For now, we're addressing that problem with a Power reduction that we hope is stern enough to make players try harder to threaten these kinds of wins.

Werewolf By Night
[Old] 3/3 - After you play an On Reveal card at another location, move there to gain +2 Power.
[Change] 3/3 -> 4/4
Like Darkhawk, Werewolf By Night offers a few different decks an early source of pressure that�s hard to compete with. Werewolf's also a card that�s hard to master, requiring players to navigate how to best leave open spaces at their locations in order to maximize Power and the number of locations Werewolf can threaten. That's strong enough that some Silver Surfer decks have even cut Brood!

When a card's strength is enough to unseat foundational cards in other archetypes, that's usually a bit much. We considered many changes but wanted to try and maintain the excitement of leaping ferociously around the board with a meaningful threat. To accomplish that, we're going to try moving Werewolf up the curve to 4-Cost. This should remove a meaningful amount of Energy and time from the card, and also bring Brood back in from the cold.

Black Widow
[Old] 2/1 - On Reveal: Add a Widow's Bite to your opponent's hand.
[Change] 2/1 -> 3/3
Shifting Widow's Bite to 0/-1 was an effective boost to Black Widow's strength, and there are decks playing Widow today that we're happy to see. We're less happy with how easy and rewarding it is to use Beast or some locations to play Widow multiple times. Getting stuck with a bunch of Widow's Bites can be fairly frustrating for a lot of decks, so we're moving to a higher Cost to make that more difficult. This is fairly similar in principle to the change we made a long time ago to Rockslide, shifting a card's Cost to raise the strength floor but lower the ceiling, and that change worked well!

Martyr
[Old] 1/4 - At the end of the game, move to a location that LOSES you the game. (if possible)
[Change] 1/4 -> 1/5
It's clear that we missed low on Martyr, so we're coming in with a quick buff here. One of our learnings from Martyr has been better gauging the value of "simple" Power, which has been devalued in many recent metagames. Lower-Cost cards are under a lot of pressure to provide Power in higher-level play. That's a dynamic we're going to continue exploring as we develop future content.

Viper
[Old] 2/3 - On Reveal: One of your other cards here switches sides.
[Change] 2/3 -> 3/4
Between Annihilus, Selene, and our changes to Luke Cage, decks focused on gumming up the enemy's side of locations with bad cards have received a lot of new tools. As the deck gains options, sometimes it's interesting to look at shifting around the existing pieces to see where the play patterns could change. Viper's not a problematic card�our goal isn't a nerf, but a change, and 3/4 is interesting in that regard.

However, our motivations for this change are largely an abundance of caution around Havok. We tried some turn 3/turn 4 Viper + Havok ourselves, and it didn't impress. But a lot has changed since then: Loki and Elsa are weaker, Luke Cage provides less certain protection for Havok, some then-dominant decks have even disappeared. Because the potential for that combination of plays can be so unfun, we're making this change to ensure it doesn't exceed our expectations and warp the metagame. It's also just a good opportunity to experiment with shifting Viper to a different cost.

Ronan the Accuser
[Old] 5/3 - Ongoing: +2 Power for each card in your opponent's hand.
[Change] 5/3 -> 5/5
The Accuser has been on our buff list for months, but we waited to pull the trigger for a few reasons. There was some concern about how to best push past archetypes, we were also considering a more significant rework, and eventually buffing Ronan headlong into Loki just didn't seem right. We decided to stick with something simple for now, adding some Power to create a more meaningful 5-Cost threat.

Maximus
[Old] 3/7 - On Reveal: Your opponent draws 2 cards.
[Change] 3/7 -> 2/6
As an additional support piece for Ronan, we're delivering a buff to Maximus here. Maximus was one of the early additions to Silver Surfer, providing a lot of Power efficiently. As we've continued to release 3-Cost cards, especially Daken and Sebastian Shaw, Maximus has struggled to earn that slot. We were happy to see the release of Blob provide a surge to Maximus, and we've decided to capitalize on that momentum and see if Maximus could even play a role in other decks.

Gladiator
[Old] 3/7 - On Reveal: Add a card from your opponent's deck to their side of this location. If it has less Power, destroy it.
[Change] 3/7 -> 3/8
This is a very similar change to the one we're making higher up to Martyr. Gladiator has been more successful than Martyr, but it seems like there's still room to improve here. In addition to generally improving the card, moving Maximus out of the 3-Cost slot will create a void for some Silver Surfer decks that did want access to a large amount of Power on-demand. That's an opportunity for Gladiator to flex some muscles.

Punisher
[Old] 3/2 - Ongoing: +1 Power for each enemy card here.
[Change] 3/2 -> 3/3
Punisher has been unnecessarily weak for a while. However, as part of the new player experience, we need to be careful about how we adjust the card. For example, a 2-Cost version would necessitate shifting some other piece of early game content to 3-Cost. Even with that restriction, adding a single Power is basically free and should just make the card a more fun game piece.

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That's all for now. We'll see you in 2024, with a brand new season!

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:41

uXs: May 3, 2005; Mark it zero!

Ravonna => Prof X

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:42

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

uXs posted:

Ravonna => Prof X

I didn�t even think of that, but nice

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:43

DrBouvenstein: Feb 28, 2007; I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Lol, like a single +1 in Punisher will make anyone play him.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:43

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

He's great in that he's a good counter to Blob, but he (was) also worth having in a Blob deck because of the cost/power ratio, but not anymore because he doesn't appear to be a better value than Titania or Maw at this point.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:43

Skippy McPants: Mar 19, 2009

FlamingLiberal posted:

I guess the idea is that it will increase his play rate

I still think the Prof X nerf is a bit much

The WWbN nerf feels like a nerf on Loki

Lokie and Bounce. They both used him as one of their main power engines. 4-Cost is enough to push him out of Loki, almost for sure. Don't know about bounce. They're so card-efficient that playing him on four might still work. The Widow nerf definitely hits them, though.

uXs posted:

Ravonna => Prof X

Speaking of Mr. Negitive, current Prof. X is kinda sick in Negitive now.

Edit: and Martyr is till bad even as a 1/5

Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Dec 21, 2023

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:44

Marx Headroom: May 10, 2007; AT LAST! A show with nonono ~~commercials~~!; Fallen Rib

Once again it is time to dust off Master Mold

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:51

wyoak: Feb 14, 2005; a glass case of emotion; Fallen Rib

Skippy McPants posted:

It's between Loki and pure Bounce if you believe KM Best and Lamby, and honestly, I think the Bounce Shell is a bigger problem than Loki. If you nerfed Beast and WWBN enough to force Loki back onto the Kitty/Elsa path, then I don't think he'd be a problem.

Still powerful, but even now, he's not very oppressive. Like, he's technically the best, but only by a fraction and only really good at the moment cause he takes a dump on Prison decks.

nice timing with the OTA lol, yeah WWbN was sorta the issue in both Loki and Bounce.

Negative grows stronger with Prof X now!!!

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:54

Quetzadilla: Jun 6, 2005; A PARTICULARLY GHOULISH SHITPOSTER FOR NEOLIBERLISM AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

I swapped Polaris/kingpin for gladiator/surfer in red's "no cards 4 u" deck which isn't necessarily BETTER but it is funnier so I am glad my big dumb idiot is getting buffed.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:55

Sandwolf: Jan 23, 2007; i'll be harpo

I am confused at the two shots at Surfer decks, one of the not best decks at all in the game right now

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:55

Cattail Prophet: Apr 12, 2014

Martyr might be ok in C5 now, maybe? 4 was an awkward number, because that Cerebro deck doesn't really exist unless you're willing to get extremely weird with it. Not a Ms Marvel haver though, so I'm not super familiar with how C5 decks play these days.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:57

Skippy McPants: Mar 19, 2009

Sandwolf posted:

I am confused at the two shots at Surfer decks, one of the not best decks at all in the game right now

The WWBN nerf is more for Loki and Bounce than surfer. No idea why they focus on Surfer in the patch notes since it's not a deck anyone is worried about.

The Max change isn't really a Surfer nerf at this point. There are plenty of higher quality 3-drops to run in the list these days.

Fake Edit: also, this OTA is another big indirect buff to High Evo. Loki, Prison, and Bounce all took a hit, but Evo skates by without even a look. I feel like that deck is gonna end up back on top of the meta just by dodging nerfs while everything else gets busted down.

Cattail Prophet posted:

Martyr might be ok in C5 now, maybe? 4 was an awkward number, because that Cerebro deck doesn't really exist unless you're willing to get extremely weird with it. Not a Ms Marvel haver though, so I'm not super familiar with how C5 decks play these days.

C5 decks don't currently have a 1-drop, so maybe! She could jump anywhere without messing up Ms. Marvel. That'd be a nice little niche for her.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 19:58

Skippy McPants: Mar 19, 2009

Also, I think there's a chance that the new Maximus gets nerfed at some point. Lamby is fond of saying that 2-energy cards are inherently OP, and I tend to agree. A 2/6, even with a downside, is really loving good.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:07

Snazzy Frocks: Mar 31, 2003; Scratchmo

Figures, I buy havok to play havok shenanigans, and the shenanigans gets nerfed

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:08

Sandwolf: Jan 23, 2007; i'll be harpo

Skippy McPants posted:

Also, I think there's a chance that the new Maximus gets nerfed at some point. Lamby is fond of saying that 2-energy cards are inherently OP, and I tend to agree. A 2/6, even with a downside, is really loving good.

Maximus dropped on T6 gives no benefit at all, really. Has synergy against their blob, and against your Darkhawk though. Dunno where it finds a home

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:12

thebardyspoon: Jun 30, 2005

Supposedly they are refunding me for the gold thing I bought a few days ago. Honestly kinda surprised and also unsure how they're gonna deal with the gold I did get in my account.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:14

wyoak: Feb 14, 2005; a glass case of emotion; Fallen Rib

Sandwolf posted:

Maximus dropped on T6 gives no benefit at all, really. Has synergy against their blob, and against your Darkhawk though. Dunno where it finds a home

havok + maximus + mysterio or lizard or shadow king depending on what else is out is a pretty crazy t6

or a 4 cost + maximus - iron lad, attuma, sentry, typhoid mary, namor, HE thing, even Drax or Warpath depending on other stuff - those would all be really big

wyoak fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Dec 21, 2023

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:29

Marx Headroom: May 10, 2007; AT LAST! A show with nonono ~~commercials~~!; Fallen Rib

Sandwolf posted:

Maximus dropped on T6 gives no benefit at all, really. Has synergy against their blob, and against your Darkhawk though. Dunno where it finds a home

T6 Maximus + Master Mold in your Goose lane is the Ronan play of choice

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:43

Nikumatic: Feb 13, 2012; a fantastic machine made of meat

Yeah I've already started gettin' hit with that on Ronan. Makes me excited to finally get Mister Mold with the series drop.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:45

Marx Headroom: May 10, 2007; AT LAST! A show with nonono ~~commercials~~!; Fallen Rib

Next month I am going to do the unthinkable and choose Baron Mordo as my free S3 drop

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:01

FireWorksWell: Nov 27, 2014; Let's go do some hero shit!

Skippy McPants posted:

Speaking of Mr. Negitive, current Prof. X is kinda sick in Negitive now.

I already used him in it before for fun but now it's way better. Makes the prof x/mystique duo more 'practical' with 2 less cost.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:11

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

I do have WWBN in my Loki deck but generally if I win with Loki he�s not a big factor in that

Usually you can win one lane with Devil Dino and the other lane with a buffed Collector, Loki, etc

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:26

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Marx Headroom posted:

Next month I am going to do the unthinkable and choose Baron Mordo as my free S3 drop

A lot of people are going to see Stegron, right?

Edit: Or maybe that's just me

Red fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 21, 2023

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:36

victorious: Jul 2, 2007; As a youth I prayed, "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet."

Red posted:

A lot of people are going to see Stegron, right?

Edit: Or maybe that's just me

Yeah he's the only S4 that's dropping that I don't have.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:41

Firebert: Aug 16, 2004

I lost to post nerf Xavier can we make him -1 power

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:50

Kalman: Jan 17, 2010

Cattail Prophet posted:

Martyr might be ok in C5 now, maybe? 4 was an awkward number, because that Cerebro deck doesn't really exist unless you're willing to get extremely weird with it. Not a Ms Marvel haver though, so I'm not super familiar with how C5 decks play these days.

I just tried to make a C4 deck and yeah, you gotta get weird with it and it's still not good. (Rocket, Nico, and Ant-Man are all viable C4 bodies, you run HEvo mostly for Cyclops, Viper, Havok who you can either donate or T6 drop for another 4 body, fill out with Cap Marvel, Klaw, and Sera alongside the Cerebro/Mystique package.)

But yeah, it's not good.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:50

Fartington Butts: Jan 21, 2007

Threw together a Ronan deck and the first thing I faced was a discard deck. A+

# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:52

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Fartington Butts posted:

Threw together a Ronan deck and the first thing I faced was a discard deck. A+

I haven't tried this since Blob became a thing, but it used to do really well for me.

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# ? Dec 21, 2023 22:02

Quetzadilla: Jun 6, 2005; A PARTICULARLY GHOULISH SHITPOSTER FOR NEOLIBERLISM AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Anyone else having issues with cards not displaying in the shop? That parts fine, but it's also not loading card images while doing the discard/destroy (from deck) animations and I don't run a deck tracker so I just have no idea what got bazoopered.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 22:41

Ninurta: Sep 19, 2007; What the HELL? That's my cutting board.

What's better than Vampire Jubilee? Getting this on her first Infinite upgrade.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 22:44

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Looks like the professor is going in my ravona/mr. negative deck!!

# ? Dec 21, 2023 23:07

Skippy McPants: Mar 19, 2009

bowmore posted:

Looks like the professor is going in my ravona/mr. negative deck!!

Good news. There's no surer sign of a card being dead than it being "good" in Mr. Negative.

# ? Dec 21, 2023 23:14

My Second Re-Reg: Aug 31, 2021; Come on down.
Let's make a deal.

truly, Darkhawk, Taskmaster, Knull, Mystique and Zola are the worst of cards

e just deader than doornails those cards

# ? Dec 21, 2023 23:17

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 01:49

icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

I tried it a bit, it still seems bad to me :shrug:

The ongoing power cards, iron man darkhawk and knull, don�t synergize and there�s not space in the deck for support cards for them, beyond maybe one each

# ? Dec 21, 2023 23:23

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