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MonsieurChoc posted:You can even tell people you'll punish them in the name of the Moon. Werewolf should be extremely lgbtq+ friendly imho. Forsaken was. Heck, 2E even had a rank 1 easy to acquire Gift if you wanted to change your gender.
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On the one hand, the Garou Nation being incredibly lovely about gender is completely in-line with everything about the Garou Nation and whitewashing this is exactly the kind of thing I'm always complaining about as media properties file away everything unique about themselves in order to become completely frictionless and offensive-to-nobody. On the other hand, literally nobody actually wants to play out exactly the same arguments they just had with their real-life family over again with their imaginary werewolf family, so.
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Dec 22, 2023 23:36
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Fuzz posted:This was in the preview version, thankfully it never made it to print but yeah, loving YIKES. Well, it was replaced with the compulsion to be pointlessly insubordinate, so the game's just punching left in a less superficial way now; it's grousing about antifa malcontents instead of SJWs whose hair's dyed fun colors. The problem with Ericsson wasn't actually his politics but his lack of subtlety.
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Dec 22, 2023 23:43
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Whirling posted:Its so tiresome that Paradox's meddling both made the oWoD dumber and killed the nWoD. I've accepted that nWoD was probably going to be wrapping up by now either way. Paradox being a bunch of edgelords accelerated things, but they would have the same drainage of experienced writers and increased reliance on hopping from kickstarter to kickstarter either way. Nothing lasts forever, including game lines. Still, ugh. That whole Paradox period sucked. There's some good name changes in there, but also so much edgy junk the whole edition had to crawl out of.
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Dec 22, 2023 23:48
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Rand Brittain posted:On the one hand, the Garou Nation being incredibly lovely about gender is completely in-line with everything about the Garou Nation and whitewashing this is exactly the kind of thing I'm always complaining about as media properties file away everything unique about themselves in order to become completely frictionless and offensive-to-nobody. This is actually a useful and instructive distinction to draw, because the Garou nation, or at least swathes of the Garou nation, being deeply conservative and reproduction-focused a la Exalted's Scarlet Dynasty would make perfect sense and be a ready-made source of social conflict for those tables that wanted to deal with these issues in-game. But, the actual material in question goes farther to be like, your body rejects this, the spirits hate it, blah blah blah, so it's just boilerplate baked-in transphobia.
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Dec 22, 2023 23:52
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"Your body has changed and now society fears and hates you, but it has given you strength and insight and a new family in your pack" whoever picks up Werewolf next should just lean right into that extremely obvious metaphor
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Dec 22, 2023 23:56
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"The werewolves are GROOMERS and actually you don't change if you have no contact with them" is what I'm expecting out of future Woof editions
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Dec 23, 2023 00:06
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Ferrinus posted:This is actually a useful and instructive distinction to draw, because the Garou nation, or at least swathes of the Garou nation, being deeply conservative and reproduction-focused a la Exalted's Scarlet Dynasty would make perfect sense and be a ready-made source of social conflict for those tables that wanted to deal with these issues in-game. Yeah, Garou elders being stodgy and stuck in their ways and refusing to accept gender transition while the spirits are 100% on board would be good writing. But the book as written presents it as biotruths and gender essentialism. Your body forcibly detransitions you and women all secretly hate abortion.
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Dec 23, 2023 00:34
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Kurieg posted:But the book as written presents it as biotruths and gender essentialism. Your body forcibly detransitions you and women all secretly hate abortion. Even Revised Black Furies was more nuanced.
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Dec 23, 2023 00:49
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Has anyone picked up the Arthurian Scion book?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Has anyone picked up the Arthurian Scion book? They stat up multiple Famous Swords, as you would hope, as well as the Holy Grail (despite wanting to not touch Christianity so much). Also (and kind of surprising), new knacks, heroic and immortal, for every existing calling, including incredibly funny poo poo like this Heroic Trickster knack: quote:I Meant to Do That: When you fail at an action, you may select additional consolations based on how you failed:
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Dec 23, 2023 04:34
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Can you do Fate bullshit with it?
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The Great Nasuverse Campaign...
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Thanks for the speedy and well rounded replies, guys. It's tonight and we're pregaming a bit, because, frankly I don't want to be a tool and start a pointed argument when my partner is just seeing all of her old good friends that happen to converge on this birthday, but also I can't not say anything at least to her. Do we have sources for the following: Kurieg posted:He also claimed that OG White wolf were "pussies" for not releasing a 9/11 plotbook in the aftermath. And that they should release a new "Gypsy's" Book (When pressed he agreed they'd probably need to call them Roma now). And that Female characters in historical games should be worse than male characters for the sake of historical accuracy. Ferrinus posted:Something that still sticks in my memory about early V5 is that the Brujah clan compulsion used to straight up be "Triggered", but in precisely the sense of a reactionary comedian's Netflix special. It explicitly meant you were offended on moral or political grounds and had to get mouthy about it. I think the werewolf stuff is a lot more damning( NOT saying anti-roma sentiment is cool, just that he can claim he recanted), but if he's as edgy as I suspect he'll just claim ignorance. quote:Oh I was implying you could curse him, but he's already cursed - he's Swedracula! I don't think I'll be cursing anybody at this juncture, he's got enough on his plate.
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All my stuff came from the first paradox run grand masquerade which has hence been rather thoroughly scrubbed from the Internet. There was an occasion where he told a woman who asked about historical games if they'd be historically accurate and he told her like "oh don't worry you won't only have 75% of a man's resources dots" before the presenter wrenched the microphone away from him.
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Tias posted:Do we have sources for the following: This is from the June 2017 "PreAlpha" playtest. 
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Dec 23, 2023 19:15
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Unrelated, but it's sorta weird to go to someone's birthday with a plan to dig up all the dirt on them you can find, just to pick a fight with them. Like yeah, he sucks, but also... so does that behavior?
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Dec 23, 2023 19:16
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Nah I think dude can eat poo poo every day and especially on his birthday.
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Dec 23, 2023 19:22
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Fuzz posted:Unrelated, but it's sorta weird to go to someone's birthday with a plan to dig up all the dirt on them you can find, just to pick a fight with them. They aren't trying to pick a fight? They want to be able to use facts to counter the 'well we think he's a cool guy who certainly isn't a lovely edgelord' narrative from the mutual friends or whatever. e - like it sounds like op is being kinda strong-armed into being around swededrac
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Dec 23, 2023 19:36
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Ferrinus posted:This is from the June 2017 "PreAlpha" playtest. "extrovert anger"
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Schwarzwald posted:"extrovert anger" Yeah it's a class feature they gain access to at level 10. Right after "A suspicious amount of friends".
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rolling willpower against difficult 8 to maintain eye contact without being a creep about it
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You just reminded me of a discussion I had around a Vampire table years and years ago that went something like: "You know, you could probably just specify that your character is avoiding eye contact so that this Ventrue doesn't get a chance to use Dominate on you." "Yeah, but then you'll look weak and submissive." "You know what would make you look really weak and submissive? Literally being dominated."
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Ferrinus posted:You just reminded me of a discussion I had around a Vampire table years and years ago that went something like: Anyone worth half their salt at subterfuge has mastered the art of staring at a point just above the eyebrows in the middle of someone's forehead to give the appearance of making eye contact without actually making eye contact.
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Hey guys! Just started a V5 campaign! I know new oWoD isn't super great but I binged Chicago by Night and it seemed cool and Blood Rites is neat and this will be my first real, not online text based WoD game and while I'm pissed at what happened to Vissicutude I'm happy to play my horrible femboy streamer Tzsmiscie an-- Good lord what is happening in this thread.
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Autistic vampire accidentally collapses elaborate scheme through aversion to eye contact.
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mcclay posted:Hey guys! Just started a V5 campaign! I know new oWoD isn't super great but I binged Chicago by Night and it seemed cool and Blood Rites is neat and this will be my first real, not online text based WoD game and while I'm pissed at what happened to Vissicutude I'm happy to play my horrible femboy streamer Tzsmiscie an-- Don't let the haters get you down, and have fun!
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Soonmot posted:What happened to vissicitude? They rolled it into Protean and made it a little less loose about what you can do with it. I personally love the V5 disciplines for the most part. I know it didn't do it first but I enjoy the general move away from boring "have some more actions/dots/successes" type of disciplines.
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I'm finally playing through Cyberpunk 2077, and I noticed that some incidental dialogue in one of the sidequests was clearly written by a Werewolf: the Forsaken fan: Jane: What says the Wolf-Father to the Moon Mother as she descends to Earth? Maelstrom: "I have protected the realm of man and shadow, but today they are protected by our children whose name is Patricide."
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Ferrinus posted:I'm finally playing through Cyberpunk 2077, and I noticed that some incidental dialogue in one of the sidequests was clearly written by a Werewolf: the Forsaken fan: There are references to D&D, Shadowrun, Blades in the Dark, L5R, and a few other RPGs, as well. Ever single quest is also named after a song. There's a lot of love that went into that game, it's nice that it's finally recovered from the abysmal launch and people are starting to appreciate it.
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1. Oh, boy! The game I've been anticipating is finally out, time to play it! 2. [Wisdom 10] Ah, the game I've been anticipating is finally in open beta. Just gotta give it another couple years to cook.
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Ferrinus posted:1. Oh, boy! The game I've been anticipating is finally out, time to play it! And that's why I still haven't bought Rogue Trader because the VG thread is still talking how like companion plotlines aren't finished.
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Fuzz posted:Unrelated, but it's sorta weird to go to someone's birthday with a plan to dig up all the dirt on them you can find, just to pick a fight with them. It's kind of both, and I caught myself doing it mid-act. It's just that every time he comes up, my partner will mention how nice a guy he is and how many good LARPs they've done, and I'll be like "he destroyed my favorite game by being an edgy dicklord" and the thought of going into that circle of friends without arguments didn't appeal to me. That doesn't mean I should get into a huff and poo poo on some peoples party. I didn't go, by the way. My general impression of the dude seems to be that his ambition got him into a situation he wasn't equipped to manage, and now he seems kind of sad. No sense in heaping anything on, really.
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Nessus posted:! My memory is admittedly going to poo poo, but wasn’t there a Rite specifically for changing your gender back in early editions? It may have been a splat book thing, but I’m pretty sure it was a thing in the lore. Edit - Found it. It’s a low level gift from Forsaken. What a weird loving reversal for 5e. I ride bikes all day fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Dec 31, 2023 |
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Mister Olympus posted:it's not a weird reversal for 5e at all, in that the original intent of 5e is to forget everything that happened after 1992 or so, and it only had to pull back a bit on that when they booted dracula. but all the people he hired that are still there are 100% committed to it
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Nessus posted:While under no circumstances do we have to hand it to any of these people, these things are in WW20 -- and I gather from reports that they are in fact editorial fiat, and were possibly inserted without the knowledge of the book's authors. It's unfortunate because Changing Ways was a good book otherwise Yeah, the Woof20 developer left over finding out it had been inserted behind his back, I believe. Going off Sambrano's account it feels like Karim Muammar seems to be the biggest problem.
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Mister Olympus posted:it's not a weird reversal for 5e at all, in that the original intent of 5e is to forget everything that happened after 1992 or so Probably because they saw the success that D&D had with doing that to its own 5e! 
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