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FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

I saw some apocalyptic headlines about the Chinese f2p rules but they all seem pretty sensible. Someone sent me a bbc article that was concern trolling about the plight of small studios forced to redesign their games but f2p whale chasing always requires big marketing money anyway doesn’t it?

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
:qq: the poor small studios manipulating endorphin receptors to leech money from the most exploited demographic of all: gamers.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

FuzzySlippers posted:

I saw some apocalyptic headlines about the Chinese f2p rules but they all seem pretty sensible. Someone sent me a bbc article that was concern trolling about the plight of small studios forced to redesign their games but f2p whale chasing always requires big marketing money anyway doesn’t it?

Yeah it's always like this. Twocent is doing spooky orientalism to our children! Xi' tyranny is putting small studios out of business. Leading neo nazi Bannon is meeting with Chinese oligarchs! Freedom for Jimmy Lai!

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Nope.

MPS had issues, of course. It was conceptualized as a way to assess national accounting with Marxism in mind, so it was centered on labor theory of value. Since the matter of productive/unproductive labor is something that we still debate its conventional terms as of 2023, Soviet theoreticians came up with the distinction of material and immaterial goods during the 20s. These immaterial goods would include a lot of what we are used to call "services", but it isn't the actual translation to them; it's a category by itself. The idea was that trying to work out a rigorous Marxist method of national accounting in its strict terms of productive/unproductive labor was a reaaaaaally loving complicated task at the time, because how do we best account for a scientific price for the labor of the musicians of the Petrograd Philharmonic Orchestra (for example)?

What they went for was a more flexible interpretation of labor theory of value and track all material production, understanding that with state control over the economy, the immaterial goods would be inferred separately through the corresponding material activity. For example, an immaterial good here is housing. Market-based forms of national accounting usually start by taking the price of housing through rent and average monthly payment towards home ownership (there are a lot of formulas in differing countries through different indexes just to be clear).

In MPS, since housing is an affair of the state in which it is fully in control of, there are no "housing prices" per se to account for; what it tracks is how much material is necessary to build different units of housing, how many were built, how many were estimated, etc. Since there is no payment for housing, as in the consumption of a service, this isn't accounted in terms of the aggregate of national economy, because there is simply no need to as it is not a material question as such; the material problem is how much steel, glass, cement, bricks, wood, insulation, pipes, roofing and everything else + labor power that is required to build X houses by the estimates of the current plan. That is what gets accounted in GDP terms. The service of healthcare isn't accounted because the thing itself is provided by the state; there's naturally the aggregation of all material inputs required to provide it to the population, but again, the service as such would had to be inferred from all related material activity*.

What this means is that MPS gives out a fundamentally different valuation of GDP that cannot be directly translated to open-market based methods because it is operating on an entirely different framework - that's why I imagine that China created a derivate system to work as a sort-of SNA, so that they could keep their fundamental framework together. To put it in a maybe bad analogy, they are running a SNA emulator, but their system is MPS.

And of course, MPS takes finance out of it entirely because it would be immaterial. FIRE was non-existent in the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, according to statista, FIRE was 20.2% of the USA GDP in 2022. That's a whole fifth of its economy that is not material.

* and that was one hell of a problem for the bolsheviks back then. This is part of the why of the technical deficit problem that the theoreticians were banging in the table that I mentioned a few times in the Marxism thread: this is a large-scale computational problem. MPS, among other things, was a mean to better guess an approximation of a scientific price with the very limited tools available. This means that as the economy grows, the harder it is to better determine prices if computational power and technical capability doesn't increase accordingly, not to mention that eventually the methodology itself would have to be improved or reformed to make use of those capabilities (which is very appropriate in a poetic way -- the tool to take measure of how communism is being built is itself dialectical and can only work as such)

Speaking of video games, Workers and Resources helped me understand this post.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

FuzzySlippers posted:

I saw some apocalyptic headlines about the Chinese f2p rules but they all seem pretty sensible. Someone sent me a bbc article that was concern trolling about the plight of small studios forced to redesign their games but f2p whale chasing always requires big marketing money anyway doesn’t it?

i mean it probably will put some small game studios out of business. who cares

i know a guy who founded a small game studio in china with probably about 30-50 employees. they’re not a big studio you’ve heard of or anything. he told me their business strategy was putting out these f2p games with loot box monetization and the way it works is, they pump out tons of these games and most of them fail but every once and a while they get a game that lands a ridiculous whale that spends literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on it

what im trying to say is those 30-50 people can figure out a real business strategy or they can get real jobs

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
what if you developed a game, and you sold whole copies of it, for profit

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

gradenko_2000 posted:

what if you developed a game, and you sold whole copies of it, for profit
gaben joins server and gives you hat[blue]

corona familiar
Aug 13, 2021

fart simpson posted:

what im trying to say is those 30-50 people can figure out a real business strategy or they can get real jobs

30-50 f2p hogs

Orbis Tertius
Feb 13, 2007


super interesting, ty

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Thanks guys, glad to put the little I got to learn of political economy at school into benefit

stephenthinkpad posted:

I just want to point out higher computational power is not going to give better accuracy to calculate the national output, because 1 the west pretend China's gdp number is fake and only look at the power consumption and PMI numbers; and 2 the US is getting and better and better at faking the domestic economic numbers. Look, all the economic recovery numbers look good, except the egg price is twice as last year.

Ah, I mean in a totally different sense than that, it's the economic calculation and planning problem; essentially, what it means is that "economy" is a computational problem and it is mathematically proven so by Oskar Lange, one of the Polish Marxists. Like, by statistically accounting the material economic activity, you gain more and more price inference as that ability becomes more and more developed. It's just not national input and output; it' is to gain more means to get close and eventually arrive to track all things in Marxist value. I used the example to build a house by how much material was produced to build a single house, right? So we take further than that: how much material did it take to produce every single unit of material used to produce that house?

But those material costs are not just directly related to production, there are logistics too. What did it cost to transport every single unit of material? Here we run into one of the difficulties of MPS, which was how to factor logistics into the productive activity, for example.

The thing to remember here is that a socialist planned economy has as one of its major goals the determination of prices. There's no open market to take the prices from. Since this is scientific socialism, the whole method to do so becomes an imperative, because that's the big signal the entire economy will be running on. Statistical computing is how you process the many different variables involved with one economic activity to see how it is doing, then the planners check that activity in comparison with the other, etc. The better they do, the economy develops further, which means more activity (new goods, new factories, new techniques, etc) which then means more information. As more information is able to be handled by aggregation, something rather magical happens - better inferences appear, estimations are more precise, there are better ways of planning. The social average of labor power value per hour, the grail of scientific planning, inches closer. That is why there were talks of "timetables for communism" in the late 50s - things were developing, problems were being figured out, methodologies conceptualized etc.

Then loving khruschev and his whole group fumbled the gently caress out of it. ANYWAY

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
Also, every since the EU regulations on lootboxes, the triple AAA industry has been slowly moving away from them. Battle passes are basically the uneasy compromise between studios and players and likely the only effect this will have on them is forcing to studios to put all of the cosmetics associated with them in the store rather than vanishing them to FOMO.

What these regulations will do is obliterate the mobile game industry and good loving riddance.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

President Yoon Suk Yeol and the girl group NewJeans have been selected as two of the 71 Most Stylish People of 2023 by The New York Times, Yonhap News reported on the 7th.

The New York Times commented on this year’s selection: “While some of the chosen individuals may not be public figures, all of the selected subjects have sparked conversations about what they wear, how they live, and how they express themselves.”

According to the report, The New York Times selected President Yoon as one of the Most Stylish People of 2023 on the 6th (local time) and posted a photo of him singing “American Pie” at the White House during his visit to the U.S. in April.

The New York Times explained the background of selecting President Yoon, “His flawless performance of ‘American Pie’ at the White House rivaled ‘American Idol.'”
President Yoon made headlines during his visit to the U.S. in April by singing Don McLean’s “American Pie” at a state dinner at the White House.

The New York Times also selected the girl group NewJeans as another Korean figure among the most stylish people of the year.

The New York Times explained the background of selecting NewJeans, “The members of NewJeans, wearing bunny ear hats, topped the Billboard charts with a sound inspired by late 1990s and early 2000s R&B. They also stood out in various ways, including being the first female K-pop singers to perform at Lollapalooza.”

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i only just found out that happened through korean media id never heard of it from the english language side

i find it extremely distressing that there simply isnt anything the united states can say or do regarding south korea that south koreans will understand as an insult our media basically treats them as clowns cosplaying as a real country but every drat mention they get just makes them light up and say "look america senpai noticed us!!!"

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Some Guy TT posted:

i only just found out that happened through korean media id never heard of it from the english language side

i find it extremely distressing that there simply isnt anything the united states can say or do regarding south korea that south koreans will understand as an insult our media basically treats them as clowns cosplaying as a real country but every drat mention they get just makes them light up and say "look america senpai noticed us!!!"

have you asked them how does it feel to be an enviable position being an lapdog of a dying empire while their every industry is gonna get wiped by china in 5 years tops

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Palladium posted:

have you asked them how does it feel to be an enviable position being an lapdog of a dying empire while their every industry is gonna get wiped by china in 5 years tops

speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1738434368367116660?t=SwNy6lBEpIcUV2z0dKWGUA&s=19

dunno about this strategy or this interpretation

crepeface has issued a correction as of 02:56 on Dec 24, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Due to the failure of the Taiwanese opposite parties reaching an alliance, the DPP has a pretty high chance to win (with their pitiful 30-35% core vote bank). Beijing originally set the ECFA (cross strait mini trade agreement) review/renew announcement date one day before the Taiwanese election, kind of a last minute reminder to the Taiwanese voters. But since the blue camp and white camps have no chance of winning anyway, they kind of moved up the announcement a few weeks. The fact that Taiwanese Tsai regime has unfair trade policies against mainland agriculture products is a forgone conclusion, so it's just a matter of Beijing deciding what kind of counter trade penalty to deal against Taiwan exports. I think they target taiwanese chemical export this time.

Also the Taiwanese presidential election has received minimal attention from both US and Japan compared to 4 years ago because the race is not close and the US is busy wiping asses for his partner in crime in the middle east region. No fake spy case from Australia either. The only anomaly is maybe in the SCS direction.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 02:45 on Dec 24, 2023

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/jmzbeijing/status/1738067225511387453

my innovation-based economy of fart apps and gacha :qq:

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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crepeface posted:

dunno about this strategy or this interpy

i was in taiwan last september

having self-delivery points run by a Singapore SoE tells me everything i need to know about the TW economy that isnt TSMC

i also met a provocative shitlib hobo too lol

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/jmzbeijing/status/1738067225511387453

my innovation-based economy of fart apps and gacha :qq:

scanning that guys tl and wondering why China lets him live in Beijing

Iriscoral
Apr 9, 2023

为人民服务
re: gachashit

The regulations are sorely needed because every single new live service game on the CN market is trying to ape the Genshin/Mihoyo model of 50/50 pity where the guaranteed reward for pulling the gacha machine 80 times only has a 50% chance of being the unit you want, and top it off they've also integrated it weapon/gear systems where to have a unit of your specific choice at 100% efficiency (not counting ascension systems) you need to do the above shenanigans twice. Which means saving 160/320 pulls worth of currency...which can line up having to do weeklies/dailies for months on end to save up for a single character, assuming you don't start swiping that credit card. Yeah. End of the day it sucks, and is getting worse.

Not to say gambling/exploitative online games haven't been a problem, especially in China, but the success of Genshin and Chinese games in general over the past few years and the eagerness of these companies to cash in on those strategies have really highlighted these shortcomings. It doesn't really help that a lot of the newer releases by established studios over the past year have shown net increases in exploitative mechanics in an extremely obvious manners. For instance,
Girls Frontine, one of the earliest gachas, did not explicitly tie progression to the gacha, said gacha was done purely through easily available resources, and the main form of expenditure was buying skins. In its long awaited 3D sequel that released just two days ago, it actively uses the aforementioned Mihoyo-style gacha mechanics. Go loving figure.

As someone who plays way too many of those games (played 12-15, currently mainlining 4) honestly this has been a long time running. A lot of the appeal of these games comes from the roster-building, long-form storytelling and gameplay that happens while playing the game over months or years, with gacha often seen as a necessary evil to keep them going, but over time said gacha systems have become an irritating metasized cancer on the rest of the game itself. Character customization becoming increasingly limited by virtue of tying players to time sinks and pulls, gameplay depth limited via trying to capture as wide a net as possible, storytelling opportunities weakened by the need to focus on selling the character as much as possible, the whole shebang and all that. Whatever regulations that happen; either via purging gacha from live service games altogether, or forcing the reduction of the amount of time players have to spend on a game on a daily basis, is all honestly welcome. Whales will always be around anyways.

Iriscoral has issued a correction as of 03:42 on Dec 24, 2023

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

1stGear posted:

the triple AAA industry

The AAAAAAAAA industry is actually a pretty good name for how I feel about these studios lately.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Votskomit posted:

The AAAAAAAAA used car salesmanship industry is actually a pretty good name for how I feel about these studios lately.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
ban all gacha send the devs to the countryside

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Btw, the KMT and the DPP are neck to neck in some polling (if you look at the Chinese language page in wikipedia) even with the NPP still in the race. It very well may be that the KMT may "brute force it" and expect NPP voters to cross over the last minute.

I assume that Beijing is just putting everyone on notice at this point.

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Some Guy TT posted:

President Yoon Suk Yeol and the girl group NewJeans have been selected as two of the 71 Most Stylish People of 2023 by The New York Times, Yonhap News reported on the 7th.

The New York Times commented on this year’s selection: “While some of the chosen individuals may not be public figures, all of the selected subjects have sparked conversations about what they wear, how they live, and how they express themselves.”

According to the report, The New York Times selected President Yoon as one of the Most Stylish People of 2023 on the 6th (local time) and posted a photo of him singing “American Pie” at the White House during his visit to the U.S. in April.

The New York Times explained the background of selecting President Yoon, “His flawless performance of ‘American Pie’ at the White House rivaled ‘American Idol.'”
President Yoon made headlines during his visit to the U.S. in April by singing Don McLean’s “American Pie” at a state dinner at the White House.

The New York Times also selected the girl group NewJeans as another Korean figure among the most stylish people of the year.

The New York Times explained the background of selecting NewJeans, “The members of NewJeans, wearing bunny ear hats, topped the Billboard charts with a sound inspired by late 1990s and early 2000s R&B. They also stood out in various ways, including being the first female K-pop singers to perform at Lollapalooza.”

I thought this was going to reference his insane pants from his latest British visit or something. People wondered if he had put them on backwards. Need to find the article about that.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Ardennes posted:

Btw, the KMT and the DPP are neck to neck in some polling (if you look at the Chinese language page in wikipedia) even with the NPP still in the race. It very well may be that the KMT may "brute force it" and expect NPP voters to cross over the last minute.

I assume that Beijing is just putting everyone on notice at this point.

DPP agri votebanks completely shocked the mainland will let ECFA expire and they have zero leverage over the matter since no one gives a gently caress about their very irreplaceable pineapples

everyone else: lol

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://english.news.cn/20231206/ceceffbd81034910a09d2876cc654ff5/c.html

quote:

english.news.cn
World's 1st 4th-generation nuclear power plant goes into commercial operation in China
~3 minutes

BEIJING, Dec. 6 (Xinhua) -- The world's first fourth-generation nuclear power plant, China's Shidaowan high temperature gas-cooled reactor (HTGR) nuclear power plant, has officially gone into commercial operation, according to the National Energy Administration and China Huaneng Group Wednesday.

The project, located in Shandong Province and with China owning fully independent intellectual property rights, is jointly developed by China Huaneng Group, Tsinghua University and China National Nuclear Corporation.

HTGR is an advanced type of reactor that features fourth-generation nuclear power technology, and a key development direction of nuclear power, said Zhang Zuoyi, chief designer of the major program of HTGR nuclear power station and dean of the nuclear energy and new energy technology institute of Tsinghua University.

With "safety" as a key characteristic, the reactor can maintain a safe state and steer away from a meltdown or leak of radioactive materials. This capability is maintained even in the event of a complete loss of cooling capacity, without any intervention actions, Zhang added.

More than 500 companies majoring in design and development, engineering construction, equipment manufacturing, production and operation participated in the project. The localization rate of the equipment of the nuclear power plant reached more than 90 percent, said Zhang Yanxu, a person in charge of the project.

The commercial operation of the nuclear power plant is of great significance in promoting the safety, as well as the scientific, technological and innovation capabilities of China's nuclear power development, he noted.

Construction of Shidaowan HTGR nuclear power plant started in December 2012, and generated power for the first time in December 2021. ■

new nuclear power plant in Shidaowan

:science:

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Danann posted:

China owning fully independent intellectual property rights

but-but-but muh stolen IPs

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

lol i just posted this in the biosphere collapse thread

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Palladium posted:

DPP agri votebanks completely shocked the mainland will let ECFA expire and they have zero leverage over the matter since no one gives a gently caress about their very irreplaceable pineapples

everyone else: lol

who wants non Hawaiian pineapples anyways

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

FuzzySlippers posted:

I saw some apocalyptic headlines about the Chinese f2p rules but they all seem pretty sensible. Someone sent me a bbc article that was concern trolling about the plight of small studios forced to redesign their games but f2p whale chasing always requires big marketing money anyway doesn’t it?

letting adults gamble should be illegal and it’s insane that we allow it for children too (my opinion counts double because I’m a table games dealer what of it. better to be a hypocrite than be wrong)

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/XisMoments/status/1738766037779362007

"i wish the farmers a happy life as sweet as sugarcane." :3:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/XisMoments/status/1738766037779362007

"i wish the farmers a happy life as sweet as sugarcane." :3:

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

eSports Chaebol posted:

letting adults gamble should be illegal and it’s insane that we allow it for children too (my opinion counts double because I’m a table games dealer what of it. better to be a hypocrite than be wrong)

Yeah, acceptance of mystery boxes are weird. Though I don't play f2p games or even any multiplayer games so I got no dog in this hunt, ban it all.

For gambling in general it makes sense in a country like China banning it since they are trying to organize society into something reasonable. In a capitalist hellscape might as well let adults gamble, get fat, whatever. Find your peace where you can.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

A happy life but at what cost?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Look at all these poor people cruelly deprived of lootboxes.

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


And they get to keep accessing the daily login rewards! This really is a double whammy from Xi.

Soapy_Bumslap
Jun 19, 2013

We're gonna need a bigger chode
Grimey Drawer
Xi to mandate at least 2 hours per week of playing Tony Hawk with your buddies on a stinky couch

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/WSJ/status/1739658611800883701?s=20

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May 8, 2012

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its not the chinese are getting better, its the burgerbrains are getting more havana'ed

also they had unlimited operating freedom in HK and a significant local support in 2019, and still didn't made a dent there (and also permanently blew any future chances they had in HK) so WTF they think is gonna happen on the mainland

Palladium has issued a correction as of 16:06 on Dec 26, 2023

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