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SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Toplowtech posted:

It depends on how deeply you define "independent" but they are fairly autonomous. They control schools, police forces, healthcare, and taxes. The communes directly run the hospitals and schools. It's more bottom-to-top than federal-top-to-bottom. The national government manages the army, monetary policies, the postal service, and the phone lines. The laws are canton-based, inside Federal constitution limits (mostly criminal law). Some cantons have direct democracy meetings where they don't count the votes of the people present, but only "feel" the opinion of the crows. It explains some of the hardest immigration laws if you ask me.

How do I get in on this corvid-based system of government? It sounds cool.

Edit: Well, not the racism.

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Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

SplitSoul posted:

How do I get in on this corvid-based system of government? It sounds cool.

Edit: Well, not the racism.
Acquiring Swiss nationality requires a shitton of mostly residency permits, so I hope you like filling papers (also asylum doesn't count). The rest of the demands vary depending on the canton. I think all canton require a permanent residence permit first for varying durations (and being super young double your time spent) depending on the canton: between 2 years of residency without breaking the law to 10 5 years(they reduced it) of residency without also using any of the free healthcare or social programs until you are a citizen (so you better be rich). The canton (and sometimes the commune) may also stipulate additional integration requirements.
You can always marry a Swiss (and same-sex marriage has been legal since 2022 by federal law through referendum) or get adopted by a Swiss parent.

And yes, there is racism. Also the most godawful national anthem lyrics.

Toplowtech has issued a correction as of 13:00 on Dec 8, 2023

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
nvm

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Toplowtech posted:

Acquiring Swiss nationality requires a shitton of mostly residency permits, so I hope you like filling papers (also asylum doesn't count). The rest of the demands vary depending on the canton. I think all canton require a permanent residence permit first for varying durations (and being super young double your time spent) depending on the canton: between 2 years of residency without breaking the law to 10 5 years(they reduced it) of residency without also using any of the free healthcare or social programs until you are a citizen (so you better be rich). The canton (and sometimes the commune) may also stipulate additional integration requirements.
You can always marry a Swiss (and same-sex marriage has been legal since 2022 by federal law through referendum) or get adopted by a Swiss parent.

And yes, there is racism. Also the most godawful national anthem lyrics.

Goodness no, I don't want to move to Switzerland, I just want to enfranchise the crows. They're probably smarter than the average person.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/gazetesozcu/status/1733084520818041286

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1733425437521395796

Apparently the president of Somalia’s son hit a motorcyclist in turkey and ran away? This is horrible for Somalia since turkey is basically the only country that has done anything positive for us since the civil war,

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/gazetesozcu/status/1733084520818041286

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1733425437521395796

Apparently the president of Somalia’s son hit a motorcyclist in turkey and ran away?

honestly i can't see turks getting too upset, pretty much everyone here gets clipped by a motorist eventually
dude should just pay his fine and go back to playing human frogger

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Zedhe Khoja posted:

honestly i can't see turks getting too upset, pretty much everyone here gets clipped by a motorist eventually
dude should just pay his fine and go back to playing human frogger

Guy got killed though, that is probably jail time Ina hit and run.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

https://x.com/SACP1921/status/1732484760277045739?s=20

Everyone in South Africa has strong opinions about the incoming National Health Insurance bill. Opinions you often hear include:

1) It's a great idea, but it's being implemented by a party that keeps tending towards neoliberalism so it won't work well.
2) It's socialism!!!1
3) I like the idea, but I don't trust the ANC.

I've read the bill and it makes sense to me so far, but I genuinely can't figure out how this may go. The health middleman sector is fighting it tooth and nail, which indicates to me that it's got the right idea. But the ANC has been very good at completely loving up SOEs, so this could actually make things even worse.

please I don't want to give premiums to Discovery.

Idia
Apr 26, 2010



Fun Shoe
Asking for a friend, does anyone have good recommendations on the history of Rhodesia? I think a lot of the hits I get are probably on the pro settler views.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethiopia-peace-minister-critical-pm-abiy-held-suspected-coup-plot-2023-12-12/

Ethiopian minister for peace arrested, accused of coup plot.

https://twitter.com/addisstandard/status/1734608313495572982

Field Marshall Berhanu Jula, Chief of Staff of the Ethiopian National Defense Force (#ENDF), admits to using drones on human targets. He vowed to continue the use of drones at extremist gatherings and cautioned the general public to refrain from mingling with extremists.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

:siren: NEOM update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqauaBSZOPQ

NEOM continues to get more ambitious, as well as seemingly smaller and less consequential at the same time

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

i say swears online posted:

:siren: NEOM update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqauaBSZOPQ

NEOM continues to get more ambitious, as well as seemingly smaller and less consequential at the same time

very ansar allah voice] any ships going to NEOM will be interdicted or destroyed

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Spergin Morlock posted:

very ansar allah voice] any ships going to NEOM will be interdicted or destroyed

KSA is in luck! NEOM does not have a functioning port

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

PawParole posted:

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethiopia-peace-minister-critical-pm-abiy-held-suspected-coup-plot-2023-12-12/

Ethiopian minister for peace arrested, accused of coup plot.

https://twitter.com/addisstandard/status/1734608313495572982

Field Marshall Berhanu Jula, Chief of Staff of the Ethiopian National Defense Force (#ENDF), admits to using drones on human targets. He vowed to continue the use of drones at extremist gatherings and cautioned the general public to refrain from mingling with extremists.

It's been long established that using drones to blow up weddings etc is perfectly fine so I don't see any issue.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

PawParole posted:

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethiopia-peace-minister-critical-pm-abiy-held-suspected-coup-plot-2023-12-12/

Ethiopian minister for peace arrested, accused of coup plot.

https://twitter.com/addisstandard/status/1734608313495572982

Field Marshall Berhanu Jula, Chief of Staff of the Ethiopian National Defense Force (#ENDF), admits to using drones on human targets. He vowed to continue the use of drones at extremist gatherings and cautioned the general public to refrain from mingling with extremists.

It would be pretty ironic if the reason for the coup plot was because Abiy's aggressive posturing against its neighbours and him starting the civil war was the reason the Peace Minister realized he had to go.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1735969016416477476?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004


whoever is running iraq now has the chance and positive geopolitical environment to do the funniest thing ever

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

whoever is running iraq now has the chance and positive geopolitical environment to do the funniest thing ever

the new emir and former crown price is a spry 83 and spent his career in the intelligence service. wonder what he was doing in 1991

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

i say swears online posted:

the new emir and former crown price is a spry 83 and spent his career in the intelligence service. wonder what he was doing in 1991

saving incubator babies, mashallah

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

did not know there was a voa türkçe. glad it's banned
Turkey tightens internet censorship, bans access to 16 VPN providers

www.turkishminute.com posted:

Turkey’s Information and Communications Technologies Authority (BTK) has banned access to 16 VPN providers that are frequently used to circumvent government censorship, Deutsche Welle’s Turkish edition (DW Türkçe) reported on Monday.

The move signals a significant tightening of the Turkish government’s efforts to control internet access and the flow of information.

Professor Yaman Akdeniz, founder of the Freedom of Expression Association (İFÖD) and a faculty member at İstanbul Bilgi University law school who’s an expert in IT law, spoke to DW Türkçe about the new VPN ban, which also affects popular providers such as Proton, Surfshark, Ipvanish and Cyberghost.

Akdeniz emphasized that this new strategy of the government and the BTK aims to prevent access to news sites censored by the Turkish government, especially via VPN services. Foreign-based news outlets such as DW Türkçe and the Turkish edition of Voice of America (VOA Türkçe) are particularly affected as access to these websites is currently banned in the country.

According to İFÖD’s EngelliWeb initiative, around 712,558 websites were banned in Turkey at the end of 2022, and projections suggest that this number could rise to around 900,000 by the end of 2023. Akdeniz said the legal basis for the VPN ban is based on an amendment to Law No. 5651 from 2014, which obliges internet service providers to block “alternative access methods” to censored websites. He criticized the ban as arbitrary and lacking a court order, arguing that it violates the freedom of communication protected by the Turkish Constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

Despite these restrictions, VPN providers continue to find ways to circumvent the ban by introducing new VPN names and IP addresses, DW Türkçe reported.

The censorship of DW Türkçe and VOA Türkçe stems from a decree issued by the Radio and Television Supreme Council (RTÜK), Turkey’s broadcasting regulator, in August 2019, according to which internet news platforms must obtain a license from RTÜK. DW did not comply with this requirement, citing incompatibilities with German laws and possible censorship. As a result, its website was blocked in Turkey in July 2022, as was VOA Türkçe’s.

The outlets described RTÜK’s demand in February 2022 as an attempt at censorship and at expansion of the Turkish government’s control over domestic media to foreign outlets, which are the only source of free and independent journalism for some people in Turkey, where the majority of the media is controlled by the government.

DW challenged this decision before the Turkish Constitutional Court, claiming that freedom of expression and the press as well as the right to a fair trial and an effective remedy, as guaranteed by the Turkish Constitution and the ECHR, were violated.

In an attempt to make its content available to Turks, DW continued its operations on alternative websites, dwturkce.com and inspiredminds.de/tr, since its main web address, dw.com/tr, was blocked. In November dwturkce.com and inspiredminds.de/tr were also blocked following decisions by the Ankara 9th Criminal Court of Peace.

Turkey, where internet freedom has steadily declined over the past decade, ranks among the “not free” countries concerning online freedoms, according to a report released by the US-based nonprofit Freedom House in October.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

poor Turks, where will they get porn without vpn?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

guidoanselmi posted:

poor Turks, where will they get porn without vpn?

They'll have to resort to paper magazines, like animals.

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
lol

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1736749714450551024?t=wN9D4XoSDp9KhDuM9PvAhQ&s=19

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Last set of French troops exit Niger as Sahel sheds Parisian influence

That's the end of France's military presence in Niger. US, German, and Italian troops still remain. Niger's new leadership says they will end the two European Union security and defence missions in the country.

France's former military bases are now occupied by the Wagner PMC.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

what's up with the discounted uranium France gets from them nowadays

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
I think they already stopped getting it at the discounted rate and have had to buy it from them at the market price.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

hell yeah market forces

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


its good to be a us ally otherwise this would have been a corrupt and rigged election

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


Hey, el-Sisi is just borrowing from the Colorado Supreme Court (ignore that he's done this for 9 years).

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

OhFunny posted:

Last set of French troops exit Niger as Sahel sheds Parisian influence

That's the end of France's military presence in Niger. US, German, and Italian troops still remain. Niger's new leadership says they will end the two European Union security and defence missions in the country.

France's former military bases are now occupied by the Wagner PMC.


reading these together is heartening.

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

a few Turkish solders have been ambushed by Pkk (?) over the past few days leaving 15(?) dead. Turkish military responded with air strikes on targets in northern Iraq.

https://twitter.com/huseyinulucay03/status/1738893260385317070

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Plutonis posted:

It would be pretty ironic if the reason for the coup plot was because Abiy's aggressive posturing against its neighbours and him starting the civil war was the reason the Peace Minister realized he had to go.

https://twitter.com/NatnaelMekonne7/status/1734493090268762577

Apparently he’s an Oromo nationalist and the coup was foiled by Amhara nationalist security forces (who are probably planning their own 3rd coup attempt) snitching.



Abiy right now is indestructible like Mr Burns: so many coups are being plotted against him that they basically get in each other’s way.

PawParole has issued a correction as of 15:55 on Dec 24, 2023

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Dude is going full "apres moi le deluge" as his governing strategy

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

The Nobel Peace Prize went straight to Abiy's head.

https://twitter.com/megatron_ron/status/1738950690427240514?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 08:27 on Dec 26, 2023

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

guidoanselmi posted:

a few Turkish solders have been ambushed by Pkk (?) over the past few days leaving 15(?) dead. Turkish military responded with air strikes on targets in northern Iraq.

https://twitter.com/huseyinulucay03/status/1738893260385317070

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
Iran, EAEU sign free trade agreement

The EAEU and Iran have signed a new free trade agreement to replace the previous preferential trade agreement. This one will eliminate tariffs for 87% of goods.

The parliaments of each nation will have to approve before it goes into effect.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
Eurasian integration!

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

OhFunny posted:

Iran, EAEU sign free trade agreement

The EAEU and Iran have signed a new free trade agreement to replace the previous preferential trade agreement. This one will eliminate tariffs for 87% of goods.

The parliaments of each nation will have to approve before it goes into effect.

Seems like a big deal.

Apart from reuters no western outlets are reporting this, far as I can tell. Plenty of non-western ones are though.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

it's important to remember this poo poo when the Turkish govt is promoting itself as being anti genocide

2 years on, families of victims of the Roboski massacre continue to seek justice

:nms: Embedded Tweet in Article Shows Dead People: https://www.turkishminute.com/2023/12/28/12-year-on-families-of-victim-of-the-roboski-massacre-continue-to-seek-justice/?noamp=mobile :nms:

www.turkishminute.com - Thu, 28 Dec 2023 posted:

On the 12th anniversary of the 2011 Roboski massacre, the families who gathered to commemorate the 34 Kurdish civilians killed in a Turkish military airstrike are still demanding accountability for the killings, the perpetrators of which have not been disclosed by the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government.

The incident, commonly known as the Roboski massacre, refers to the killing of 34 male Kurdish civilians, most of them teenagers, on December 28, 2011, when military jets bombed them after receiving intelligence on militants from the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in the Uludere district of Şırnak province near the Turkish–Iraqi border.

tweet edited out cause pics of dead bodies posted:

#roboskî massacre happened today in 2011. 34 border traders, 19 of them underaged, bombed to death by the turkish army. no justice has been done.

— Frederike Geerdink (@fgeerdink) December 28, 2023

Representatives of various political parties and civil society organizations attended a ceremony at the gravesite of the victims along with their families, who carried photos of their loved ones. Among those present were leading representatives of the pro-Kurdish Equality and Democracy Party (DEM), the Democratic Regions Party (DBP) and human rights activists.

Tülay Hatimoğulları, co-chair of the DEM party, linked the incident to the general regional conflicts and the ongoing hostilities against the Kurds. In her speech she emphasized that the rights of Kurds are systematically disregarded and that legal institutions are unable to adequately address their grievances.

The legal efforts to obtain justice have faced many challenges. The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) rejected the families’ application in 2018 on the grounds that domestic legal remedies had not been exhausted. Subsequent appeals to the Turkish Constitutional Court (AYM) were met with bureaucratic and legal obstacles, which exacerbated the families’ sense of injustice.

Despite the Turkish government’s offer of compensation in 2012, the families have largely rejected financial compensation in favor of a transparent judicial process.

While the Kurds commemorated the victims of the massacre, hateful social media posts by Dr. Tuba Işık, an academic at Ağrı İbrahim Çeçen University, sparked a negative public reaction.

Işık posted inflammatory comments on a photo taken during the funeral of the Roboski massacre victims, writing: “The picture is very beautiful, may it be forever.”

This statement, which was widely condemned as racist and anti-Kurdish, caused great public outrage.

Although Işık has made such statements and aggressive messages against the Kurds in the past, the university was content to state that the academic does not hold an administrative post and did not take any action against her.

The pursuit of justice has been a long and arduous journey for the Roboski families and reflects the general struggle of Kurds for recognition and rights in Turkey.

The families’ lawyers recently filed a new case with the Constitutional Court and claim to have new evidence. This includes statements by former finance minister Berat Albayrak, who blames the Gülen movement, a faith-based group outlawed by Ankara, for the Roboski massacre.

Questions have also been raised about the impartiality of the military prosecutors and judges involved in previous decisions.

The families of the Roboski victims are expecting a decision from the court in 2024.
Free Kurdistan

e: also, wtf 😵‍💫
Court orders granddaughter of historic Kurdish figure to display Turkish flag on social media accounts

www.turkishminute.com - Thu, 28 Dec 2023 posted:

A granddaughter of Sheikh Said, an iconic Kurdish figure who led a Kurdish nationalist rebellion against the new Republic of Turkey in 1925, has been ordered to post a photo of a Turkish flag on her social media accounts for 30 days as part of punitive measures following her release from detention, the Bianet news website reported.

Noşin Fırat was given the penalty as part of judicial probation measures imposed on her following her release from detention. The measures also require that she check in at a police station three times a week.

Fırat was detained the eastern province of Erzurum on Tuesday on accusations of spreading terrorist propaganda in Facebook posts in 2015 and 2016. An indictment seeking a prison sentence of almost three years on charges of dissemination of terrorist propaganda has been filed with the court.

Following her detention, Fırat was referred to the Hınıs Penal Court of Peace, which ruled for her release under judicial probation. The court ordered that she post a photo of the Turkish flag on her social media accounts for 30 days following her release, adding that failure to do so could lead to her arrest for violating the terms of her probation.

Fırat began sharing a photo of the Turkish flag following the court’s decision on her Facebook, Instagram and X, formerly Twitter, accounts.

Fırat told the Mezopotamya news agency that her punishment has to do with her familial relationship with Sheik Said, her family and her Kurdish roots, adding that she and her family are receiving threats on social media and are under great pressure.

Fırat’s lawyer, Ensar Fırat, described the court’s decision as “scandalous,” saying his client would file a complaint with the Board of Judges and Prosecutors (HSK) against the judge behind the controversial ruling.

Meanwhile, the Diyarbakır Bar Association has filed a criminal complaint against judge Murat Şakru, who issued the ruling, arguing that he exceeded the scope of his authority and the law.

Fırat’s posts from 2015 and 2016 include one featuring the flag of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in northern Iraq and another taken at the 2016 convention of the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) in Ankara, displaying a poster of jailed PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan.

The PKK is listed as terrorist organization by Turkey and much of the international community.

Sheikh Said, who was was executed along 46 others as a result of his rebellion in 1925, is a prominent figure among Kurds, while he is cursed by nationalist circles and labelled a “traitor.”

The Sheikh Said rebellion, which was led by Sheikh Said with the support of the Kurdish secret organization Azadî, was described as “the first large-scale nationalist rebellion by the Kurds” by academic Robert W. Olson in his book “The Emergence of Kurdish Nationalism and the Sheikh Said Rebellion, 1880-1925.”

The uprising was suppressed the same year, with over 7,000 people prosecuted by independence tribunals and more than 600 executed. The Independence Tribunal in Diyarbakir imposed a death sentence on Sheikh Said and 46 other rioters on June 28, 1925.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 21:33 on Dec 28, 2023

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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011


There is nothing stopping her to just go 💩 🇹🇷 🍆 right

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