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Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
I just use Win11 at work and home and it's fine. I hate that they initially left poo poo out like a clock on a second monitor, or removed being able to make title bars and scroll bars bigger or smaller, but I honestly don't give a gently caress anymore. I just post on SA, play games, stream movies, and discord. That's it. Works great.

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Nettle Soup posted:


Not sure why nohboard is in there, I should add 7zip.


How does that compare to yeahboard?

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Pistol_Pete posted:

I miss Windows 7, used that right up until MS stopped supporting it. Absolutely nothing that's come in the later versions has improved my computing experience at all.

Windows 7 was really good, though I did like XP a lot. Agree that nothing since Win7 has been any sort of improvement at all.

sinc
Jul 6, 2008
When was the start menu even useful for the last time? I recall in like maybe Windows 2000 or XP :corsair: you still found predictably placed buttons for control panel and every program you’ve installed. Now I only ever use it to type in the initials with the keyboard. But it sometimes manages to stall for several seconds before it’s responsive. Downloading the ads?

Also while I’m whining, whatever formerly-inoffensive random podcast listening app (”Podcast App” for iOS) I picked thousands of listening hours ago has now started to show long in-app video ads with audio, half the time it’s someone screaming at a casino win. I’ve developed a quick reflex of just killing and restarting the app because it’s less hassle and wait than closing the ad. Time to switch I guess.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




I hate clicking "more options " in the windows 11 explorer context menu.
It's not even a view setting, you have to regedit that poo poo out

Actual Satan
Mar 14, 2017

Keep on partying!

You'll NEVER regret it!

Trust ME!


bitterandtwisted posted:

I hate clicking "more options " in the windows 11 explorer context menu.
It's not even a view setting, you have to regedit that poo poo out

It's like they knew which options I use the most and hid them in that second menu on purpose

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

My work just switched everyone to iPhones and I can confidently say that the wost operating system is, in fact, iOS. It has to be the most unintuitive bullshit I've ever seen in my life. Why can't I access my browser settings from my browser? Where tf are you saving poo poo? Why do I have to scroll/swipe instead of just typing poo poo? Why are there no batch select/unselect options? Why is everything based on gestures that weren't explained? Why is every native app bloated with data scraping, ad-serving bullshit? Where are the loving accessibility options? Why can't I customize literally anything? Why can't I turn off half the poo poo that's obliterating my battery? Why can't I use my Firefox add-ons? Why am I losing battery charge while I'm sleeping?

I didn't think the switch would be a big deal because I thought jailbreaking was still a thing, but I was wrong. I was so goddamn wrong.

Modal Auxiliary fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Dec 26, 2023

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
It's an iphone. Answer calls, make calls. Post your burger on facebook. Done.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
You are using it wrong.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe
You gotta hold it like this

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

withak posted:

You are using it wrong.

When you can't figure something out with an Apple product, assume it's your fault. Cuz Apple "just works".

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

redshirt posted:

Big Windows 7 fan here, but Windows 10 got real solid for awhile. But then they started adding news and weather on the task bar, notifications increased, and now I'm seeing pop up adds for some Microsoft game on work computers.

10 is good as long as you have the Windows 10 Debloater script to get rid of the extra/hidden stuff you don't need - https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

Also I hate that my laptop has gotten that stupid Win11 upgrade prompt, I booted up the other day & saw the default 11 background like "aw poo poo, they forced it on me". Thankfully it was just a preview screen & I was able to decline the upgrade but talk about a terrible implementation.

bitterandtwisted posted:

I hate clicking "more options " in the windows 11 explorer context menu.
It's not even a view setting, you have to regedit that poo poo out

Reminds me of (I think) early Win10 when you had to modify the registry to keep it from installing outdated, garbage drivers in Windows Update that inevitably jacked your system up.

BOOTY-ADE fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Dec 26, 2023

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


galagazombie posted:

Do you think the power plants are natural formations that create electricity ex nihilo or something? Energy is meaningless without the labor to extract, transform, and use it.

Power plants are not a source of energy, they do nothing without fossil fuels, which are natural formations, and furthermore they are finite, nonrenewable natural formations that have already peaked and will get more and more expensive and difficult to extract (because the cheapest and easiest sources of a resource get used first) until the energy cost of energy becomes so high that industrial civilization can no longer be sustained. Capital and labor alike are only made useful on an industrial scale with fossil energy; without it human labor can only create agrarian societies at best.

Furthermore, civilizations (even agrarian ones) are dependent on other largely nonrenewable (e.g. minerals) or very slowly renewable (e.g. fresh water, forests, topsoil, unpolluted land) material inputs, so every known civilization, if it has lived long enough without getting colonized by another civilization, has invariably overshot its resource base and fallen in on itself, and ours is no exception. There is a model for truly sustainable human living over millennia, but it looks like pre-colonial indigenous Australians or the ancient Jōmon people of Japan, not solarpunk or Star Trek. Russell Means' speech at the Black Hills International Survival Gathering in 1980 is particularly relevant here.

Russell Means posted:

At this point, I’ve got to stop and ask myself whether I’m being too harsh. Marxism has something of a history. Does this history bear out my observations? I look to the process of industrialization in the Soviet Union since 1920 and I see that these Marxists have done what it took the English Industrial Revolution 300 years to do; and the Marxists did it in 60 years. I see that the territory of the USSR used to contain a number of tribal peoples and they have been crushed to make way for the factories. The Soviets refer to this as “the National Question,” the question of whether the tribal peoples had a right to exist as people; and they decided the tribal peoples were an acceptable sacrifice to industrial needs. I look to China and I see the same thing. I look to Vietnam and I see Marxists imposing an industrial order and rooting out the indigenous tribal mountain people.

I hear a leading Soviet scientist saying that when the uranium is exhausted, then alternatives will be found. I see the Vietnamese taking over a nuclear power plant abandoned by the U.S. military. Have they dismantled and destroyed it? No, they are using it. I see China exploding nuclear bombs, developing nuclear reactors, and preparing a space program in order to colonize and exploit the planets the same as the Europeans colonized and exploited this hemisphere. It’s the same old song, but maybe with a faster tempo this time.

The statement of the Soviet scientist’s is very interesting. Does he know what this alternative energy source will be? No, he simply has faith. Science will find a way. I hear revolutionary Marxists saying that the destruction of the environment, pollution, and radiation will be controlled. And I see them act on their words. Do they know how these things will be controlled? No, they simply have faith. Science will find a way. Industrialization is fine and necessary. How do they know this? Faith. Science will find a way. Faith of this sort has always been known in Europe as religion. Science has become the new European religion for both capitalists and Marxists; they are truly inseparable; they are part and parcel of the same culture. So, in both theory and practice, Marxism demands that non-European peoples give up their values, their traditions, their cultural experience altogether. We will all be industrialized science addicts in a Marxist society.

Even as our products themselves become enshittified, they also enshittify the world. Every single gadget that rolls out of a factory represents permanent damage to the world and a loss of resources for the future. There is simply no way it can be otherwise.

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Dec 26, 2023

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

Philthy posted:

It's an iphone. Answer calls, make calls. Post your burger on facebook. Done.

Yeah, I'm slowly coming to terms with this and I'm already seeing a reduction in screen time as a result of not even wanting to touch my phone, so maybe it's for the best.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

redshirt posted:

When you can't figure something out with an Apple product, assume it's your fault. Cuz Apple "just works".

For a given definition of works.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!

Don't let your work phone be your main phone, and only have it turned on when you're on the clock

Peter Falk
Sep 29, 2023
This thread is getting shitter because all you computer touchers can’t stop complaining about the dumbest poo poo in the world (software. It’s all bad).

Tools are way shittier these days. Hand tools, power tools, doesn’t matter. They’re all plastic junk with pot metal. I’ve started buying used hand tools from estate sales and old guys on Craigslist because they’re better than new in box.

Fools Infinite
Mar 21, 2006
Journeyman
Linux might be hot garbage but it's my hot garbage, cooked up just the way I like it. :kiss:

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Peter Falk posted:

This thread is getting shitter because all you computer touchers can’t stop complaining about the dumbest poo poo in the world (software. It’s all bad).

Tools are way shittier these days. Hand tools, power tools, doesn’t matter. They’re all plastic junk with pot metal. I’ve started buying used hand tools from estate sales and old guys on Craigslist because they’re better than new in box.

Yeah I'm ahead of you there too. Been buying most of my tools 2nd hand for ages because it's cheaper and the quality is superior. My oldest tool is probably my handplane from 1899.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Woolie Wool posted:

Power plants are not a source of energy, they do nothing without fossil fuels, which are natural formations, and furthermore they are finite, nonrenewable natural formations that have already peaked and will get more and more expensive and difficult to extract (because the cheapest and easiest sources of a resource get used first) until the energy cost of energy becomes so high that industrial civilization can no longer be sustained. Capital and labor alike are only made useful on an industrial scale with fossil energy; without it human labor can only create agrarian societies at best.

Furthermore, civilizations (even agrarian ones) are dependent on other largely nonrenewable (e.g. minerals) or very slowly renewable (e.g. fresh water, forests, topsoil, unpolluted land) material inputs, so every known civilization, if it has lived long enough without getting colonized by another civilization, has invariably overshot its resource base and fallen in on itself, and ours is no exception. There is a model for truly sustainable human living over millennia, but it looks like pre-colonial indigenous Australians or the ancient Jōmon people of Japan, not solarpunk or Star Trek. Russell Means' speech at the Black Hills International Survival Gathering in 1980 is particularly relevant here.

Even as our products themselves become enshittified, they also enshittify the world. Every single gadget that rolls out of a factory represents permanent damage to the world and a loss of resources for the future. There is simply no way it can be otherwise.

Actually this time it will be different, because

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

This poster catabolizes and I am here for it

Peter Falk
Sep 29, 2023

His Divine Shadow posted:

Yeah I'm ahead of you there too. Been buying most of my tools 2nd hand for ages because it's cheaper and the quality is superior. My oldest tool is probably my handplane from 1899.

It’s not even close, a modern hand plane is 50% lovely plastic, and I have a measuring square that’s not even 90 degrees… clown poo poo.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

Peter Falk posted:

This thread is getting shitter because all you computer touchers can’t stop complaining about the dumbest poo poo in the world (software. It’s all bad).

Tools are way shittier these days. Hand tools, power tools, doesn’t matter. They’re all plastic junk with pot metal. I’ve started buying used hand tools from estate sales and old guys on Craigslist because they’re better than new in box.

There was a time when Craftsman wasn't hot garbage, I miss those days :( my dad still has some of their old tools from like 30+ years ago, way more robust than whatever crap they make now.

Big Bowie Bonanza
Dec 30, 2007

please tell me where i can date this cute boy
I have a bunch of ryobi stuff that has lasted years at this point with very regular use. Maybe I just have gotten lucky

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


MrQwerty posted:

I put the most effort into cutting linux and macos out of my life by not using them because I didn't pay $2k to build a computer to sit around loving with a command line for 3 weeks over a driver or $7k to buy a computer that can't play games

I spent $800 to build a retro PC and I really did spend three actual weeks trying to get a Yamaha ISA sound card to work in MS-DOS and eventually gave up and got a Sound Blaster AWE64, that is true command line hell and working on Linux doesn't come close.

I personally have had pretty good experiences with Arch Linux (:smug:) and terrible experiences with *buntus. The more software tries to help you the more it gets in the way and at this point I'd rather just RTFW and set things up myself than trust some "wizard" not to cast the wrong spell and turn my config files into a frog. Computers are not and will never be "smart", the only smarts exist in the chair.

Also the :pcgaming: feeling of booting from GRUB to a text mode boot to a TUI display manager with ASCII flames dancing, all themed in matching color schemes, that I set up myself, is one of the most gratifying things ever and it happens every time I turn my computer on. Just give up on "Just Works" and learn some elementary consumer janitoring and computers are much less scary and confusing. Even things where most people would assume the system is hosed and reformat (e.g. your boot loader exploded) are generally fixable on Arch with chroot surgery. If you configured yourself you can reconfigure it yourself. If you're relying on somebody else's config (or worse, Windows' registry) and that explodes, welp :shrug:

Of course if you don't want to do it because you do it at work, sorry about your miserable career, I only have to do that poo poo for an hour or so once every few months unless I'm deliberately changing poo poo

E: come to think of it most of those times were consequences of deliberately changing poo poo too

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Dec 26, 2023

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
If anything goes wrong with your Craftsman screwdriver you can just take it back to Sears and they will swap it for a new one.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


withak posted:

If anything goes wrong with your Craftsman screwdriver you can just take it back to Sears and they will swap it for a new one.

A screwdriver is way less complex than a computer, costs less, and doesn't lead to huge quantities of toxic, unrecyclable e-waste. It's literally a metal rod shaped funny at one end. don't want to throw away my computer or pay someone to fix it for me. I don't even want to trade it for a new one for free because that creates waste, hastens the catabolic collapse of industrial civilization that little bit, and could give an unscrupulous employee access to my data. A personal computer is not some disposable appliance, and even if it was disposable appliances are evil. My computer is 7 years old and, now that Moore's Law is basically over, it might still be useful even at 17 years old, but only if I can fix it.

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 26, 2023

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Apple just "works" in the way professional wrestling does.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Your Operating System is a Piece of poo poo.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Salt Fish posted:

Your Operating System is a Piece of poo poo.

Exactly, so I pick the one that most empowers me to make up for the inherent shittiness of all software

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
I operate the system

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Salt Fish posted:

Your Operating System is a Piece of poo poo.

lol yeah

I'm in IT and this shits going way over my head, let's move on from operating systems and back to stuff we can all nod at and grumble about like old ppl

Virigoth
Apr 28, 2009

Corona rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M. get the virus
In the ICU y'all......



Why does Youtube Music insist on playing loving music videos in my browser. After 4 loving hours it is like "hey you seem idle we'll stop playing videos soon" and I'm like gently caress yes please why are you doing this and I can't figure out how to disable it by default?!

CloFan
Nov 6, 2004

withak posted:

just take it back to Sears

Lol

I dunno if Lowe's honors it but the Sears process got real lovely over the last decade or so

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Last time I took a broken Craftsman ratchet to Sears for replacement, the person behind the tool counter dug in a bin of obviously used ratchets and handed me a replacement from that box.
That was probably 10 years ago. I've had that Craftsman socket/ratchet set for almost 25 years now. I still have most of the sockets and the 1/2 ratchet. The other two ratchets have been replaced by whatever HF's "premium" store brand is.
I also use HF brand electric tools and they have been working great for the five years I've had them.
They look just like Milwaukee brand.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
I thought I was making a joke about Sears not existing any more but apparently it still exists. I apologize for wasting the thread's time.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Are there even any Sears left. I thought they all closed because of psycho management.

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Barely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KUcjGb57CE

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Here, have some more content.

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His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
We got a Soda Stream for christmas. I read up on it because I wanted to see about refilling them, then I read an article from a soda stream user that says the units last on average 2 years before breaking. That sounds like utter poo poo to me? I know my aunt has a soda stream from the 1970s that still works. That also takes glass bottles.

I mean I can see why that's bad to make a product like that though.

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