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Oll was introduced in...Know No Fear, wasn't it? Were the others introduced at the same time or did they get added later? I haven't read Know No Fear in a long time (need to remedy that but I have so many books to catch up on / reread, currently reading the Fabius Bile books which are very interesting).
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Kat was definitely from Calth, there was at least one other, but I can't remember which. The others got picked up along the way.
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Krank, Kat, Zybes, Graft, and Oll are all from Know No Fear, Oll formed the gang while escaping Calth (there was another guy with them but I guess he died or something??). I didn't read the books where Actae and LE2 joined the crew so her being Cyrene from Monarchia was a surprise lolCrab Battle posted:TEATD 2: I feel like Kat and Actae are the only parts of the gang aside from Oll and John that had anything going on tbh. Krank and Zybes are just some guys and Graft is a robot. I guess he was a super smart robot? Whatever but yeah Graft went down swinging Honestly I kinda thought the Emperor was bringing the whole crew back to life after he stopped being an orb. Dorn is digging Actae out of the rubble so she'll probably have something to do
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Dec 24, 2023 00:23
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wiegieman posted:Yeah, it works out something like "I should be able to dig myself out in 10 years or so, but the world is going to end before then." EotD2 It was more like she would be able to regain her psyker power over time to blast her way out by just laying there as paste. I think this was intentional to connect to the passage in... Godblight Where the priest says the Emperor is coming back slowly, he's been regaining his power over all this time, but the new rift has greatly accelerated it, and it will be sooner rather than later. This may also connect to how the Lion returned. E may be prepping his return by bringing his sons back in his stead. EotD2 We see the Emperor drink in the warp directly from within the warp itself to become super powerful for a time before he is talked out of it.
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Dec 24, 2023 00:25
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Kylaer posted:Oll was introduced in...Know No Fear, wasn't it? Were the others introduced at the same time or did they get added later? I haven't read Know No Fear in a long time (need to remedy that but I have so many books to catch up on / reread, currently reading the Fabius Bile books which are very interesting). The whole gang is from Calth. One of them gets killed in Mortis, in one of the few interesting scenes in the book. The lilypads that are growing out of the heads of drowned, flowering people is one of the most viscerally disgusting things I've seen in a BL book. I think by the end of TEATD2 Oll and John are retracing their steps to plant the threads, and possibly going backwards in time? So hopefully some real weird stuff happens.
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Dec 24, 2023 00:45
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I'll have to reread Know No Fear sooner rather than later. It's a good one, I do remember that, but damned if I can remember those other characters being in it. Philthy posted:EotD2 Very slight correction, I think it was that she could blast a little bit of rubble out of the way, the rest shifting would crush her to death, she'd regenerate and blast a little more out of the way, repeat until a very angry, utterly traumatized immortal is free once more. Otherwise I think your line of logic makes sense.
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Dec 24, 2023 01:01
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Philthy posted:
I suspect that each of them has things they need to do for him to come back. The Lion meets him as a wounded fisher king he needs to ask the right question of, for instance.
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I honestly can't see them ever letting the Emperor leave the throne, that's a foundational aspect of the setting. What I can see, though, as part of the ongoing arms race (Necrons coming fully awake, tyranids arriving in even greater numbers, Ghazghkull being the Orkiest Ork that ever was, Abaddon and the Great Rift etc), is letting the Emperor have more influence at a distance, basically a stepping up of things that have already been demonstrated in the setting. More Imperial Saints, more miracles like in the Urdesh duology, more divine guidance and inspiration, more answered prayers. The Emperor's power is finite and the Imperium's needs are infinite, but sometimes, when the moment is dire, He is there. I think that's a change the setting can stand to have  To quote the late Sir Terry Pratchett, in the absolute best example in fiction of a god showing character growth: "Is one less than fifty-one?" "It's the same."
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Dec 24, 2023 15:15
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Ok the time fast approaches so I need a definite answer: Magos before Pariah or Pariah before Magos?
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Kylaer posted:I honestly can't see them ever letting the Emperor leave the throne, that's a foundational aspect of the setting. What I can see, though, as part of the ongoing arms race (Necrons coming fully awake, tyranids arriving in even greater numbers, Ghazghkull being the Orkiest Ork that ever was, Abaddon and the Great Rift etc), is letting the Emperor have more influence at a distance, basically a stepping up of things that have already been demonstrated in the setting. More Imperial Saints, more miracles like in the Urdesh duology, more divine guidance and inspiration, more answered prayers. Great Crusade 2.
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Black Griffon posted:Ok the time fast approaches so I need a definite answer: Magos before Pariah or Pariah before Magos? Magos before Pariah.
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MariusLecter posted:Great Crusade 2. And then half of them turn traitor again. Let's do it.
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Kylaer posted:I honestly can't see them ever letting the Emperor leave the throne, that's a foundational aspect of the setting. What I can see, though, as part of the ongoing arms race (Necrons coming fully awake, tyranids arriving in even greater numbers, Ghazghkull being the Orkiest Ork that ever was, Abaddon and the Great Rift etc), is letting the Emperor have more influence at a distance, basically a stepping up of things that have already been demonstrated in the setting. More Imperial Saints, more miracles like in the Urdesh duology, more divine guidance and inspiration, more answered prayers. I would argue that having him turn into a proper God would be the "best" outcome. Him and some of the Older Eldar Gods return to guide their races in the face of the Dark Gods and other sources of cosmic horror. Do something with Ynnari instead of ignoring it for another edition or two. In my heart of Hearts I want the next Chaos Primarch that returns to get his head kicked off by an Avatar of Khaine, just to give the Eldar their due.
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Dec 25, 2023 03:39
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gently caress I’d love a book to give Khaine his due, and just kick the poo poo out of a Primarch.
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Dec 25, 2023 04:38
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Him becoming a god is the Dark King. It does not go well
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Shockeh posted:gently caress I’d love a book to give Khaine his due, and just kick the poo poo out of a Primarch. It should be Fulgrim
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Dec 25, 2023 04:53
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Angron getting stomped by the Avatar of Khaine would be fun, too.
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Nah it should be Fulgrim.
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I don't mind if it's the Lion. Just give me one reminder for the setting that Kaela Mensha Khaine is still, even shattered, a fuckin' literal God, who gives no fucks.
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Shockeh posted:I don't mind if it's the Lion. Just give me one reminder for the setting that Kaela Mensha Khaine is still, even shattered, a fuckin' literal God, who gives no fucks. Minor spoilers for the Fulgrim HH book I haven't read it for a LONG time, but I do remember feeling that Fulgrim bodied the Avatar a bit too easily. I know primarchs can murk greater daemons (see Sanginious vs keeper of secrets and bloodthirster) and technically the stats were similar to the Avatar on the tabletop, but all I remember is Fulgrim erotic choking the Avatar and burning his hands a bit. I always thought raising the Avatar of Khaine was meant to be a huge power move on a craftworld and the literal, animated wrath of their civilisation should at least give a primarch as much of a fight as a high end custodian
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Calax posted:I would argue that having him turn into a proper God would be the "best" outcome. Him and some of the Older Eldar Gods return to guide their races in the face of the Dark Gods and other sources of cosmic horror. Do something with Ynnari instead of ignoring it for another edition or two. *bangs clipboard* Pale Wasting 2 PALE WASTING 2
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Dec 25, 2023 15:28
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S.J. posted:And then half of them turn traitor again. Let's do it. Well if it worked for Star Wars, then why not Warhammer.
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Cooked Auto posted:Well if it worked for Star Wars, then why not Warhammer.  I actually like the progression of the grand plot from 40K to 41K, on the whole. GW could easily screw it up, of course, and repeating the Heresy is one of the ways they could do it, but so far the plot developments have been pretty neat, an excellent progression from the "teetering 0.01 seconds from midnight" that they maintained for a decade-plus.
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I thought the sarcasm in my statement was obvious.  And I was even referring to the old Expanded Universe in that case.
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I like it in general. My only fear is that the setting will become hyper focused only on named characters with everything else falling by the wayside and we see a never ending MCU-style series of story arcs where the exact same characters/primarchs/whatever bounce off each other in the fiction over and over again where nothing of significance happens. But the fact that they opened it with cracking the Imperium in half and having chaos actually achieve something was an unexpectedly good opening imo. I always really liked Abaddon as a character though, so I'm a bit biased. And I appreciate the traitor primarchs aren't just stealing the show left and right. I hope they don't just roll every loyalist primarch back into the setting though.
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Cooked Auto posted:I thought the sarcasm in my statement was obvious. rip
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Just blitzed through Harrowmaster over the last 2 days and have come to the conclusion that Alpha Legion is fun? For real though sometimes I think I get caught up in the overall silliness that is Warhammer as books I forget that competent writers can put out some real good stuff. Also I know it’s been mentioned here a bunch already but everyone immediately groaning at the “I am Alpharius” bit was gold. Especially when they do it again later to the Silver Templar and he’s also just not into this dipshit pretending he’s a primarch
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Turns out that servitor was also a Perpetual, he's going to turn up, kill Horus, kill the Emperor, then be enshrined on the golden throne Preposterous. He's going to also smash the Throne with a box and declare the First Galactic Servitor Republic.
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Shockeh posted:I don't mind if it's the Lion. Just give me one reminder for the setting that Kaela Mensha Khaine is still, even shattered, a fuckin' literal God, who gives no fucks. Wasn't it Marneus Calgar that punched an Avatar of Khaine to pieces? In a war started over a translation error? I say let Khaine take it out of his Big Blue Dad's hide.
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Avatar's of Khaine are the biggest chumps around, even in Eldar books all they do is get chumped.
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NihilCredo posted:Magos before Pariah. Magos has a reading order that includes all the short stories. Follow that.
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Sextro posted:Avatar's of Khaine are the biggest chumps around, even in Eldar books all they do is get chumped. Not in Ciaphas Cain, where one gets orbital dropped onto a daemon and helps him annihilate it after a hell of a fight.
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mllaneza posted:Magos has a reading order that includes all the short stories. Follow that. But people in this very thread has said they'd do Pariah before Magos. I've got the Abnett reading order.
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Arbite posted:Not in Ciaphas Cain, where one gets orbital dropped onto a daemon and helps him annihilate it after a hell of a fight.
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Black Griffon posted:But people in this very thread has said they'd do Pariah before Magos. I've got the Abnett reading order. Do a random reading order and become ungovernable
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Read Pariah after Penitent so you know there's a reason to slog through it. Or just skip Pariah entirely 
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I read: Eisenhorn Trilogy>Ravenor Trilogy> All of Magos>Pariah>Penitent didn't feel like I missed out on anything and everything flowed together quite naturally, the short stories in Magos mostly just ended up as an extended flashback also Pariah is good, don't listen to the haters
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I think I've seen a single Pariah hater in this thread ever. It might have just been Kylaer back then too.
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Paraiah and Penitent are some of the best 40k work out there. Little else makes the setting feel so drat old.
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