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Probably. The prose is excellent but I went into it expecting it to be "Ravenor vs Eisenhorn," since that's how it was repeatedly described pre-release, and I'd been eagerly awaiting it for years since it was first teased. And it most decidedly is not Ravenor vs Eisenhorn. It's definitely the least interesting of all the Eisenhorn-Ravenor-etc books.
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Biplane posted:There are Pariah haters????? You dislike Saturnine and it's an absolutely superb book, nothing in Pariah comes close to the high points of Saturnine 
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Dec 27, 2023 03:31
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Kylaer posted:You dislike Saturnine and it's an absolutely superb book, nothing in Pariah comes close to the high points of Saturnine Saturnine is a comic book, Pariah is a real book 
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Dec 27, 2023 03:37
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This showed up in my Instagram feed. seemed appropriate to post here:
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Biplane posted:Saturnine is a comic book, Pariah is a real boring book 
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Kylaer posted:Probably. The prose is excellent but I went into it expecting it to be "Ravenor vs Eisenhorn," since that's how it was repeatedly described pre-release, and I'd been eagerly awaiting it for years since it was first teased. And it most decidedly is not Ravenor vs Eisenhorn. It's definitely the least interesting of all the Eisenhorn-Ravenor-etc books. luckily literally no one has had this expectation going into it since the initial release, hell I didn't even know that it was supposed to be "Ravenor vs Eisenhorn" until this very moment, also its a significantly more interesting book than the first Ravenor one
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The_Other posted:This showed up in my Instagram feed. seemed appropriate to post here: You laugh, but Games Workshop did launch an actual "Warhammer 40k FOR KIDZ" cutesy cartoon/book series a while back:  Still scratching my head over how this thing even exists, but here we are. You can never be too young for the grim darkness of the far future I guess.
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Dec 27, 2023 04:50
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Lol read by David Tennant
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AnEdgelord posted:luckily literally no one has had this expectation going into it since the initial release, hell I didn't even know that it was supposed to be "Ravenor vs Eisenhorn" until this very moment, also its a significantly more interesting book than the first Ravenor one In the Audible for it, it starts with the narrator stating: "Pariah: Eisenhorn vs Ravenor" Started reading Glory and Honor (A Space Marine compilation of three "Battles" books). The first book is by Andy Clark and the only real complaint I have about it (other than to much bolter porn, but it's in a series literally called space marine battles so...) is that from the description of the enemies, you KNOW what you're facing if you have even a modicum of learning on the subject of uprisings in the Imperium. But it takes 3/4ths of the book for the Marines to figure out what they're fighting and what it's ultimate goals are, and that's only because the Deathwatch shows up.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:You laugh, but Games Workshop did launch an actual "Warhammer 40k FOR KIDZ" cutesy cartoon/book series a while back: I can get the train of thought, introducing new players to the hobby is good for business and the community, and scholastic/ya books are a huge market, breaking into them would have been solid income. I know some people who thought they were fun books, but the series ended in 21 and I don't think it'll get a revival. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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Sharkopath posted:I can get the train of thought, introducing new players to the hobby is good for business and the community, and scholastic/ya books are a huge market, breaking into them would have been solid income. I don't disagree with any of that, I just find it funny to see something that I've so closely associated with bleak hopelessness and humanity raging against the dying of the light suddenly being reskinned in a relatively lighthearted YA format.
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Calax posted:In the Audible for it, it starts with the narrator stating: "Pariah: Eisenhorn vs Ravenor" Plus, you know, there's a paperback cover that looks like this:  But despite the editor's bait-and-switch, I still love Pariah and I think it's a better book than Penitent. We very, very rarely get to see the 40k from the POV of a sheltered ingénue with no combat experience and even less knowledge of the world, and it's incredibly refreshing and makes you appreciate the depth of the setting so much more. I think it's also an excellent book for intriguing first-time readers with zero 40k knowledge, especially if they have no interest in the pew pew stuff, compared to Xenos which is a nice panorama of the setting but is frankly pulpy as hell, in a '90s action B-movie kind of way. Of course then you have to hit them with the "I'm sure you want to know more about all those characters and organisations that showed up at the end - well yes, there is a sequel, but to understand what's going on you actually want to read these other way worse books..."
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Nuclear Tourist posted:You laugh, but Games Workshop did launch an actual "Warhammer 40k FOR KIDZ" cutesy cartoon/book series a while back: i keep hearing its not bad for what it is. wont waste audio credits for it, but id by it for my cousin or my friends kid someday. The_Other posted:This showed up in my Instagram feed. seemed appropriate to post here: i could see an episode. Bandit teaches them to paint minis or something.
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Sextro posted:Avatar's of Khaine are the biggest chumps around, even in Eldar books all they do is get chumped. One shows up in a story involving Eldar fighting Chaos and while it isn't show fighting it's still treated with due reverence as something utterly terrifying, even to a Chaos Marine.
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NihilCredo posted:Plus, you know, there's a paperback cover that looks like this: I'm 99% sure that's the original cover it was released with, too. I get what you're saying about it being a good 40K book for people who don't like 40K or know anything about 40K, but as someone who does like 40K and especially loves the Eisenhorn series, Pariah was a real letdown at the time, and I still would rank it very far down the list of books I'd enjoy rereading, even though I acknowledge the skill demonstrated in the prose. I did reread it late last year or early this year, and it was a solid meh, it's just not an interesting book for me. It's kind of the opposite of The End and The Death, I think. They're both examples of Abnett stretching his talent to write something particularly clever and thesaurus-heavy, but TEaTD relies on the reader being super invested in 40K and Pariah relies on the reader not knowing or caring about 40K (to prevent the "So where's the Ravenor-versus-Eisenhorn part huh?" response). I love The End and The Death.
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Now at the midpoint, I am slightly bored with End2 - lots of repetition of the ultimate mega war giga apolypse that has been going on for the whole Siege. Seems like a lot of filler. I dont really care about or remember any of the Long Companions other than Oll or Grammaticus, even having read Calth. I think ADB nailed the whole desperate situation on the ground better in EoE, and the whole Flesh Tearers cannibalism angle made it more interesting, even visceral. Also, who the hell drew that picture of Samus? Looks like a beefed up blood letter and didn't even match the description. Give me John Blanche, otherwise I'll stick to my imagination. All in all, I'll be happy to complete my reading of 40k, even though none of Siege has totally wowed me so far. I hope Abnett's editor can slip him a few shrooms to get him into a Watson mood for End3.
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EotD2 has a lot of filler, but the last act pans out nicely and I decided that the filler was probably necessary to give that 50,000 foot view of everything lovely getting shittier. Abnett probably suggested two books and GW said do five, so he settled with three. On a completely unrelated note.. I'm halfway through The Infinite and The Divine. Catty rear end bitches isn't even close to describing the pettiness & hilarity of necrons. Like, they're doing stupid pranks on each other that takes thousands of years to come to fruition. It makes the universe seem small as hell and everyone is completely insignificant and annoying to them. When they wake up they're going to kill all the Chaos gods, the Emperor, probably put leashes on the Nids and ride them like sandworms in Dune to some other galaxy so they don't get bored again. Philthy fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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Infinite and Divine spoiler: Dropping a 'nid. on a planet as a treat is hilarious in the long term.
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Philthy posted:EotD2 has a lot of filler, but the last act pans out nicely and I decided that the filler was probably necessary to give that 50,000 foot view of everything lovely getting shittier. Abnett probably suggested two books and GW said do five, so he settled with three. A big thing is those 2 are just especially powerful necron, If all the necrons woke up they'd have the numbers and ability to kill everything, but the entropy inherent to their decay means as old as they are, eventually they too would be unable to repair themselves and blink out of existence. And a big problem is it seems like most of them are doomed to never wake up, or won't be able to wake up with all their faculties.
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Kharan posted:Now at the midpoint, I am slightly bored with End2 - lots of repetition of the ultimate mega war giga apolypse that has been going on for the whole Siege. Seems like a lot of filler. I dont really care about or remember any of the Long Companions other than Oll or Grammaticus, even having read Calth. Keep going it mostly pays off
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Finished Saturnine. It was written as well as I’d like from an Abnett book, but also it felt kinda filler-y, like, nothing major really happened? You can see the shackles the writers are under, with X being known to make it, so we can’t have anything happen to them, so Y is presented as super important to give us some weight when they’re unceremoniously murked.
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An DaBnett
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Attention: as part of the Black Library advent thing, a few days ago fellow goon Nate Crowley has released One Million Years, a short story involving Necrons and...  the Leagues of Votann!Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to read it.
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Hooray! Finally a squat story
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NihilCredo posted:Attention: as part of the Black Library advent thing, a few days ago fellow goon Nate Crowley has released One Million Years, a short story involving Necrons and... It was good. Not enough squats but worth reading.
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Black Griffon posted:An DaBnett Oh, yep, whoops
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D-Pad posted:It was good. Not enough squats but worth reading. Sounds like a short read.
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The prose may be somewhat robotic or truncated, but I’m sure we’ll enjoy ourselves regardless.
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I read One Million Years and liked it well enough, it is definitely a Necron story though and the Kin are just a short part of it it is fun to see the two most technologically advanced factions in the setting interact though even though the story makes it clear that, as advanced as they are, the Kin are nowhere near the heights of Necron tech
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AnEdgelord posted:I read One Million Years and liked it well enough, it is definitely a Necron story though and the Kin are just a short part of it Are the kin the most advanced or are they just more advanced than the Imperium?
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So I'm really enjoying Arkanaught's Oath so far and I just got done with a scene that makes me wish they'd bring back Man'O War but set in Age of Sigmar with skyships and flying monsters
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Sharkopath posted:Are the kin the most advanced or are they just more advanced than the Imperium? Probably tied with the Eldar though it's hard to tell where technology and wizard powers begin and end with the Eldar so Kin probably edge that out since it's a more obvious fit for what we would recognize as "Technology".
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Sharkopath posted:Are the kin the most advanced or are they just more advanced than the Imperium? Certainly not as advanced as the Necrons but definitely more advanced than the Imperium because they didn't have to deal with the kind of technological regression the Imperium went through, on top of not straight up losing a ton of tech and having to attempt to re-integrate it under religious pretexts.
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If the Kin have caught up to the Eldar then they're really, really advanced. From what I've read the Eldar's problem is that they had their industrial base entirely shattered in the Fall, and even though there's hundreds of billions in both Commorraugh and across the Craftworlds they're too balkanized (and the Asuryani too restricted by their "don't get eaten by She Who Thirsts" societal codes) to do poo poo like build new craftworlds.
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S.J. posted:Certainly not as advanced as the Necrons but definitely more advanced than the Imperium because they didn't have to deal with the kind of technological regression the Imperium went through, on top of not straight up losing a ton of tech and having to attempt to re-integrate it under religious pretexts. I haven't read anything about the new-Squats, does it get decently explained how they're able to do all the stuff that the Imperium isn't allowed to do without having Chaos pop up and wreck everything?
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They're warp-dull due to millenia of genetic manipulation, they have a hard time interacting with the warp, but in turn the warp can't grab a hold of them. That's the long and short of it I think.
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Kylaer posted:I haven't read anything about the new-Squats, does it get decently explained how they're able to do all the stuff that the Imperium isn't allowed to do without having Chaos pop up and wreck everything? As far as I know they're just using the same stc constructs but they actually tinker with and improve them.
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Biplane posted:Is there even anything to read about the votann? Beyond the codex, and the new short story? Nope. Gav Thorpe was supposedly writing a book about it, but who knows what has happened with it after it got leaked. People were... not too enthused about it.
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