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smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Guavanaut posted:

Wasn't that Roy Chubby Brown's whole* gimmick?

Say the most offensive jokes possible but you're dressed as cross between a music hall comic and a circus clown, so it's actually ironic, anyway here's a piano interlude**.

Gervais has just managed to reinvent that without the hat and jacket and piano. Honk honk.

*which my phone autocorrected to white, which also works
**the song is also racist

It’s literally that schtick. He’s just “having a laugh”

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Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






smellmycheese posted:

Ricky Gervais Netflix review. Imagine Bernard Manning on stage for 90 minutes telling the most extreme, cruel racist and sexist jokes imaginable and then cackling and explaining he’s doing it ironically
The British comedy scene is very vibrant right now and many of them don't shy away from the topics that Gervais wants to discuss. The difference is that they tend to include punch lines when discussing the topic, rather than making the topic the punchline.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

He’s currently riffing on the topic of “what if severely disabled people were racist? What would the woke make of that?!?!!?”

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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smellmycheese posted:

Ricky Gervais Netflix review. Imagine Bernard Manning on stage for 90 minutes telling the most extreme, cruel racist and sexist jokes imaginable and then cackling and explaining he’s doing it ironically

gently caress me I also had to sit through thirty minutes of it before I put headphones in and read a book. An absolute opening barrage of "poo poo you might have read in the Express at any time in the last thirty years". Greta Thunberg, Gary Linekar, university degrees in Taylor Swift, smol boats, antifa.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

josh04 posted:

gently caress me I also had to sit through thirty minutes of it before I put headphones in and read a book. An absolute opening barrage of "poo poo you might have read in the Express at any time in the last thirty years". Greta Thunberg, Gary Linekar, university degrees in Taylor Swift, smol boats, antifa.

Genuinely one of the most pathetic things I have seen in a long time. Absolutely cringingly poo poo.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Pinch of salt because I'm a total hermit who almost never goes anywhere, but to me the thing that is weirdest about the modern High Street is how many clothes shops there always are. Obviously they've always been a pretty big part of any shopping environment but in the areas of town that are still healthy in terms of not all boarded up storefronts, it seems like anything that isn't an eatery or a phone place is clothes, or I guess beauty. The Shires used to have clothes, makeup, shoes, sure, but also department stores, a huge toystore, a Disney store, Virgin Megastore, one of those 'gadget' stores, an EB, places for stationary and cards (Those are still around but there's like 1 of each), etc etc and now it's a handful of mobile phone stores and a huge number of identikit fashion and beauty places with plain black font on white field logos. The closest left to an anchor store is Waterstones. I guess we do have a Build-A-Bear now at least! :toot: Same story elsewhere. Forbidden Planet is a Cafe Nero. The other Waterstones is a hairdresser.

It's the same story in other places I'm familiar with. Newtownards has far fewer of the shops it had when I was wee, and they've been replaced by a bunch of boutique clothing outlets, which is a weird thing to see in a small County Down town. What was once a run down but vibrant shopping district in Belfast was torn down and replaced with a huge shopping center that is, again, packed with clothes places. And also bizarrely cold like in the temperature sense the place is freezing. The mall in Bozeman, Montana is dying on its arse and really cool places around the town are gone, like Hastings and Snow Day Video Games.

Granted I have my own biases because obviously if someone likes clothes more than video games they're probably going to be happy with all this. I guess it makes some sense because media is about the easiest thing there is to transmit over the Internet whilst you both need to physically ship clothes but also people want to try them on to see how they look and fit. Even so it's kinda weird that that seems to be the one thing really thriving on the modern high street.

e; Also that all applies to the parts of towns that still get good foot traffic and investments and so on, the places that aren't doing so well are just whole streets of boarded up shops like it's a shot from a zombie movie, like there's streets where charity shops and money laundering fronts would be thoroughly welcomed as vibrant new life.

still rather traipse around the modern high street than listen to any ricky gervais shite though

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Dec 26, 2023

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

I mean this is the originator of the attack helicopter joke, lets not credit him with anything even approaching humanity.

Gervais' shtick has always been playing a character who is a oval office, but it's 'okay' because he's playing a character, it's just that the 'character' is also called Ricky Gervaise and he plays him in media interviews and podcasts and seemingly his every waking moment.

This confection allows him to pretend that if you get mad you just don't understand the shtick, and it in fact you who is therefore owned by demonstrating your stupidity. And then gets more smug about it every time he gets called out, willfully interpreting 'you are a oval office and we hate you' as 'aha, the shtick is working.'

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
It makes me deeply uncomfortable that my Netflix subscription contributes to the eight figure sum Gervais would have been paid for this.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

josh04 posted:

gently caress me I also had to sit through thirty minutes of it before I put headphones in and read a book. An absolute opening barrage of "poo poo you might have read in the Express at any time in the last thirty years". Greta Thunberg, Gary Linekar, university degrees in Taylor Swift, smol boats, antifa.

I saw a clip of his stand up recently - dunno if it was a preview of the new one or from the one before - and he was doing some tedious does-both-sides-of-a-conversation thing about God creating mankind, and at one point he mugged the 'get this, this is going to be outrageous' face into the camera and said "And how many genders are you going to make...just the two, eh?" and then did the Brent smirk as the audience cheered. It didn't laugh. It cheered.

There's a point where these sort of 'comedy' shows become more like political rallies and the audience is there to hear the naughty words and see the person on the stage say things that Everyone is Thinking that will make The Wokes Upset.

It's such a shame to see Gervais fall to this level, although he's been sinking that way for years. He's become everything he mocked in the early 2000s and seems completely unaware that he has essentially become Andy Millman.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Bobby Deluxe posted:

Gervais' shtick has always been playing a character who is a oval office, but it's 'okay' because he's playing a character, it's just that the 'character' is also called Ricky Gervaise and he plays him in media interviews and podcasts and seemingly his every waking moment.

This confection allows him to pretend that if you get mad you just don't understand the shtick, and it in fact you who is therefore owned by demonstrating your stupidity. And then gets more smug about it every time he gets called out, willfully interpreting 'you are a oval office and we hate you' as 'aha, the shtick is working.'

Absolutely. After Life was mostly just an excuse for him to be his usual oval office self, but it's OK because his character is grieving and suicidal. Also, anyone who is grieving and suicidal should simply get over it.

It's been the same since The Office and it keeps working for him. It's maddening.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Guavanaut posted:

Wasn't that Roy Chubby Brown's whole* gimmick?

I thought Chubby Brown's gimmick was that he was a characterisation of an old school 'working bloke', a bit 'holiday postcard' type of humour'?
I've seen interviews with him & he seemed a normalish type of guy.

Bernard Manning was just a rascist old oval office though.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Ms Adequate posted:

Forbidden Planet is a Cafe Nero.
Forbidden Planet is still there, so is the Very Bazaar. There's a Cafe Nero near them.

Last I checked anyway, and I think if anything happened I'd feel a great disturbance in the force, as if a dozen people I know complained endlessly about it in group chats.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Gervais' shtick has always been playing a character who is a oval office, but it's 'okay' because he's playing a character, it's just that the 'character' is also called Ricky Gervaise and he plays him in media interviews and podcasts and seemingly his every waking moment.
The Presentation of a oval office in Everyday Life

BalloonFish posted:

I saw a clip of his stand up recently - dunno if it was a preview of the new one or from the one before - and he was doing some tedious does-both-sides-of-a-conversation thing about God creating mankind, and at one point he mugged the 'get this, this is going to be outrageous' face into the camera and said "And how many genders are you going to make...just the two, eh?" and then did the Brent smirk as the audience cheered. It didn't laugh. It cheered.
So does he think that humanity should just accept that limitations or overcome it?
Because if it's the first that's the opposite of most of his earlier work.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Trainee PornStar posted:

I thought Chubby Brown's gimmick was that he was a characterisation of an old school 'working bloke', a bit 'holiday postcard' type of humour'?
I've seen interviews with him & he seemed a normalish type of guy.

Bernard Manning was just a rascist old oval office though.

He's always been the Viz type working club bloke, but was Manning.
But he has stopped doing the 'an english man, an irishman,...' jokes.
Hes more 'COCK FANNY MINGE!' jokes, all sexually frustrated husband/wife style now.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

happyhippy posted:

He's always been the Viz type working club bloke, but was Manning.
But he has stopped doing the 'an english man, an irishman,...' jokes.
Hes more 'COCK FANNY MINGE!' jokes, all sexually frustrated husband/wife style now.

Sounds like his 'working man' act is moving on with the times then.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Ms Adequate posted:

Pinch of salt because I'm a total hermit who almost never goes anywhere, but to me the thing that is weirdest about the modern High Street is how many clothes shops there always are. Obviously they've always been a pretty big part of any shopping environment but in the areas of town that are still healthy in terms of not all boarded up storefronts, it seems like anything that isn't an eatery or a phone place is clothes, or I guess beauty. The Shires used to have clothes, makeup, shoes, sure, but also department stores, a huge toystore, a Disney store, Virgin Megastore, one of those 'gadget' stores, an EB, places for stationary and cards (Those are still around but there's like 1 of each), etc etc and now it's a handful of mobile phone stores and a huge number of identikit fashion and beauty places with plain black font on white field logos. The closest left to an anchor store is Waterstones. I guess we do have a Build-A-Bear now at least! :toot: Same story elsewhere. Forbidden Planet is a Cafe Nero. The other Waterstones is a hairdresser.

It's the same story in other places I'm familiar with. Newtownards has far fewer of the shops it had when I was wee, and they've been replaced by a bunch of boutique clothing outlets, which is a weird thing to see in a small County Down town. What was once a run down but vibrant shopping district in Belfast was torn down and replaced with a huge shopping center that is, again, packed with clothes places. And also bizarrely cold like in the temperature sense the place is freezing. The mall in Bozeman, Montana is dying on its arse and really cool places around the town are gone, like Hastings and Snow Day Video Games.

Granted I have my own biases because obviously if someone likes clothes more than video games they're probably going to be happy with all this. I guess it makes some sense because media is about the easiest thing there is to transmit over the Internet whilst you both need to physically ship clothes but also people want to try them on to see how they look and fit. Even so it's kinda weird that that seems to be the one thing really thriving on the modern high street.

e; Also that all applies to the parts of towns that still get good foot traffic and investments and so on, the places that aren't doing so well are just whole streets of boarded up shops like it's a shot from a zombie movie, like there's streets where charity shops and money laundering fronts would be thoroughly welcomed as vibrant new life.

still rather traipse around the modern high street than listen to any ricky gervais shite though

This is almost certainly because clothes are one of the few things you can’t buy online. Well you can, obviously, if you’re the sort of person with the mentality to actually send stuff that doesn’t fit back, but I’m not and therefore basically the only shopping I do in town now is clothes. That and books because it’s nice and you can go have a pint and get into it afterwards. Actually I prefer doing most of my shopping in person because I have a fairly high amount of free time and like just being out and about in general but if I didn’t, I’d still do clothes in person. That and shoes as I have a slightly narrow foot.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

stev posted:

It's been the same since The Office and it keeps working for him. It's maddening.
Hell, there was his character way back on the 11 o'clock show - snide, self-aggrandising, complete twat, but done with that poo poo-eating grin where he thinks he's so loving clever.

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts
My dad is inexplicably a fan of Bill Maher and so I occasionally have to sit through his routines or talk show bits and it's absolutely unbelievable the extent to which comedians like him and Gervais are the human embodiment of the Principal Skinner "It's the Children Who Are Wrong" meme. Encountered some slight resistance at the inevitable changing of cultural mores and decided to go full manchild.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

Accidentally prompted my group to follow up Gervais with the Stavros Halkias special that's also on netflix, so the tone of the night took a real turn.

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

josh04 posted:

Accidentally prompted my group to follow up Gervais with the Stavros Halkias special that's also on netflix, so the tone of the night took a real turn.

How is it? I saw his first big special and it was mostly really funny.

Flux Wildly
Dec 20, 2004

Welkum tü Zanydu!

josh04 posted:

Accidentally prompted my group to follow up Gervais with the Stavros Halkias special that's also on netflix, so the tone of the night took a real turn.

Any squirters in your group?

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

It was very funny but I wouldn't recommend watching it with your partners parents, there's a real "boiling frog" quality to how much of it is about hand jobs.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

BalloonFish posted:

I saw a clip of his stand up recently - dunno if it was a preview of the new one or from the one before - and he was doing some tedious does-both-sides-of-a-conversation thing about God creating mankind, and at one point he mugged the 'get this, this is going to be outrageous' face into the camera and said "And how many genders are you going to make...just the two, eh?" and then did the Brent smirk as the audience cheered. It didn't laugh. It cheered.

There's a point where these sort of 'comedy' shows become more like political rallies and the audience is there to hear the naughty words and see the person on the stage say things that Everyone is Thinking that will make The Wokes Upset.

It's such a shame to see Gervais fall to this level, although he's been sinking that way for years. He's become everything he mocked in the early 2000s and seems completely unaware that he has essentially become Andy Millman.

:/

he was much worse a person than Millman, even when he was making Extras

that first standup of his was around the same time and he'd already disappeared completely up his own rectum

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






stev posted:

Absolutely. After Life was mostly just an excuse for him to be his usual oval office self, but it's OK because his character is grieving and suicidal. Also, anyone who is grieving and suicidal should simply get over it.
I don't think Afterlife was him saying "shut up and get over it", he does think he's saying something important about grief but it never develops beyond "it's okay to be a vile human being to everyone you encounter if your wife died.

I've told people to gently caress off for less when it comes to some of the things he's said to his supposed close ones. But its okay in Afterlife, everyone likes his character so nothing negative ever happens to him because of his lovely behavior.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Guavanaut posted:

Forbidden Planet is still there, so is the Very Bazaar. There's a Cafe Nero near them.

Last I checked anyway, and I think if anything happened I'd feel a great disturbance in the force, as if a dozen people I know complained endlessly about it in group chats.

lmao okay so I trolled myself here

As you know I'm a hermit so I wanted to double-check that the rumor I'd heard about FP closing was actually accurate, and went on Google Maps to have a look. I saw Caffe Nero where I thought FP "used to be" and looked no further. I just checked again after you said that and it is indeed still there, it's just slightly further up the street than I was remembering. :v:

Bitching rescinded then, all is well on Ye Olde Grate Britainish High Streete

e; the worst thing about Gervais is that I saw through him right back when he made The Office and there's no way for me to mention this without coming across like a smug arsehole myself

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Dec 27, 2023

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
it's been a pretty brutal year for independent places in Reading this year, fuckloads of restaurants have shut down including about 3 I'd have put in my top 10 favourite places to eat. Always makes me sad, each one represents someones dream and a bunch of peoples jobs of course.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Jakabite posted:

This is almost certainly because clothes are one of the few things you can’t buy online. Well you can, obviously, if you’re the sort of person with the mentality to actually send stuff that doesn’t fit back, but I’m not and therefore basically the only shopping I do in town now is clothes. That and books because it’s nice and you can go have a pint and get into it afterwards. Actually I prefer doing most of my shopping in person because I have a fairly high amount of free time and like just being out and about in general but if I didn’t, I’d still do clothes in person. That and shoes as I have a slightly narrow foot.

the free return for clothes that don’t fit policy is currently dependent on VC cash and clothes being produced extremely cheaply, the former currently dying due to rate rises and the latter increasing precarious as global trade is starting to stutter

they don’t wash the clothes and resell them, the cost of making sure that returned articles are safe and clean is estimated to cost ~$20 each, it’s all going straight in the bin

clothing shops will be with us till the heat death of the universe essentially

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ms Adequate posted:

e; the worst thing about Gervais is that I saw through him right back when he made The Office and there's no way for me to mention this without coming across like a smug arsehole myself

As someone who is also cynical enough to theoretically leverage it into incredible feats of foresight about the character of TV personalities, if not for the cruel reluctance of the wider world to praise me for it, I believe you and you should say it :v:

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

'Critics' are slating his new show too, which is nice to see. Many are calling out his laziness, knowing that Netflix isn't going to cancel him for scraping the bottom of the barrel. It would be amazing if this all eventually backfires on him, and he Linehan's his career because of it. In fact, could I please make this my Christmas wish?

e: Correction: critics promoted in my AI crafted feed. I see Rotten Tomatoes currently has it at 66% which is a bit depressing to see. I'd have though it would have been <50% at least.

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Dec 27, 2023

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
woopie doo.... flood alert on my phones & emails.
And it's nearly 5am and I haven't been to bed yet doing the annual accounts for the flats and trying to figure out where £42.03 went. Finally found it. Hah.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



thebardyspoon posted:

it's been a pretty brutal year for independent places in Reading this year, fuckloads of restaurants have shut down including about 3 I'd have put in my top 10 favourite places to eat. Always makes me sad, each one represents someones dream and a bunch of peoples jobs of course.

I was in Reading 2009-10 doing my Master's and obviously as a student I wasn't exactly going out to the town's finest establishments on the regular but there were some really good low to mid range places down there. Not surprised to hear they're struggling, but I am sad.

OwlFancier posted:

As someone who is also cynical enough to theoretically leverage it into incredible feats of foresight about the character of TV personalities, if not for the cruel reluctance of the wider world to praise me for it, I believe you and you should say it :v:

I can always count on Owly :glomp:

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
wtf we brexitted and all I got was this pint(568ml) of wine?!?!

At least Big Sam can move back from Spain.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Ah my favourite genre of lmao:

https://twitter.com/Palle_Hoffstein/status/1739743546381570153?t=3PATFUVcMyZRVQJ0s5CQ_w&s=19

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Pistol_Pete posted:

The students experience the colleges and other city centre facilities as insiders: they live there, are part of the institutions and belong to the appropriate social class. The tourists experience these things as outsiders: they visit briefly and take photos but are not part of that social class and do not belong to the institutions. A typical student would never interact with a typical tourist and vice versa. They might be in the same physical space but are experiencing Oxford in completely different ways.

However, even though they may be just visiting, an unwary tourist may find themselves a student should they roll doubles three times.

something something Foucalt

escapegoat
Aug 18, 2013

NotJustANumber99 posted:

wtf we brexitted and all I got was this pint(568ml) of wine?!?!

At least Big Sam can move back from Spain.

About that...

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1739934686883836368

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Hell, there was his character way back on the 11 o'clock show - snide, self-aggrandising, complete twat, but done with that poo poo-eating grin where he thinks he's so loving clever.
I disliked him all the way back then. Say something horrible, act surprised and "what, am I not supposed to say that?", double down on it, repeat. Literally his entire act for three decades.

Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum
I liked him during the Office, and tbh I agree with his “no topic is off limits for comedy” stance but the important distinction is that comedy still needs to punch up, or it’s just called bullying.

David Brent works imo because he’s the manager in control of a petty little kingdom and making him look like a oval office is punching up.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


OwlFancier posted:

As someone who is also cynical enough to theoretically leverage it into incredible feats of foresight about the character of TV personalities, if not for the cruel reluctance of the wider world to praise me for it, I believe you and you should say it :v:

A friend always points out “I told you that guy was a oval office” because he did, when we were watching the very first episode of The Office back at uni. Said he came off as a bully and “I bet he doesn’t write the funny bits” and by god he was right. On a similar note, I sent my sister a text saying ROLF NEXT years before anyone suspected, although to be fair at that point I could have chosen literally any English celebrity and had good odds of a successful accusation.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


I had a nice boxing day pulling various monitors into the main room with my wife and setting them up so we can each have multiple games at once. I'm quite glad we don't have lovely family demanding we watch racist comedians.

Also she loves the AR glasses I got her.

Oh and I got the TLPD (dumb wow mount) too! Woo!

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Surprise T Rex posted:

I liked him during the Office, and tbh I agree with his “no topic is off limits for comedy” stance but the important distinction is that comedy still needs to punch up, or it’s just called bullying.

A lot of time jokes punching down feel like they could be genuinely harmful. I think comedians forget that normal people watch their boundary defying shows, and a lot of them are surprisingly impressionable. While they might know that they're being ironic and that they're not actually sexist, racist, ableist, homophobic, transphobic or otherwise hateful, a hell of a lot of people will happily parrot those sorts of jokes. It just normalises the idea that these people are there to be made fun of.

Looking at you Jimmy you obnoxious prick.

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kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Mebh posted:

Oh and I got the TLPD (dumb wow mount) too! Woo!
had to look up what this was which led to a reddit guide on how catch that dragon, and it said it took the guy 1320 hours to get it lol. time lost indeed. I thought doing the pegasus cloak camps in EQ was a drag and they took maybe a day or so to do

e: and was also ~25 years ago! :corsair:

kecske fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Dec 27, 2023

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