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Doltos posted:I think my biggest problem with advanced stats is they're just all weighted formulas that are no poo poo things. Like of course if you get a lot of yards on a play you're going to have a higher EPA, which could easily just be measured by looking at the yards. It still says nothing about how those yards were gained. Yeah. I also detest the black box-ness of it all. No one takes quarterback rating as an unassailable metric because its formula is easy and laid bare for the world to see.
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BlindSite posted:Jordan Love opened well and then struggled a little bit like 3 weeks in, I'm going to chalk this up to, defenses finding their feet and more film, but he's come out the other side and looked fantastic. Gotta give credit where it's due, especially after the rumours of him not having much between the ears were cropping up in the offseason. These rumors came from exactly one person making up poo poo on Twitter for... a clip for PFT I think it was. They weren't substantiated anywhere else and he had a good camp and preseason.
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Man I was amenable to Lamar as MVP but he really doesn't have the numbers for it. He's not top 5 in any QB metric except for Y/A (#4 at 7.7) but he's still way behind Purdy (9.7), Tua (8.5), and Stroud (8.2) there. He leads QBs in rush yards, but is still only #6 in total yards. He only has 5 rushing TDs—WAY behind Hurts (15), Allen (13), and even Dobbs (6).
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Lamar is the Most Valuable Player on the Baltimore Ravens.
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fsif posted:Man I was amenable to Lamar as MVP but he really doesn't have the numbers for it. He's not top 5 in any QB metric except for Y/A (#4 at 7.7) but he's still way behind Purdy (9.7), Tua (8.5), and Stroud (8.2) there. He leads QBs in rush yards, but is still only #6 in total yards. He only has 5 rushing TDs—WAY behind Hurts (15), Allen (13), and even Dobbs (6). Yeah and it doesn't help that Lamar's already had an MVP year and it was better than this one. Almost twice as many TDs passing, significantly higher rating, more rushes for almost twice as many yards and more TDs, and less fumbles, less INTs, a third less sacks, and (assuming he plays at least one of these last games, if not all of them) did it with less playtime Parallax posted:give most valuable player to you, the fans Or the turf that took out Rodgers
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fsif posted:Man I was amenable to Lamar as MVP but he really doesn't have the numbers for it. He's not top 5 in any QB metric except for Y/A (#4 at 7.7) but he's still way behind Purdy (9.7), Tua (8.5), and Stroud (8.2) there. He leads QBs in rush yards, but is still only #6 in total yards. He only has 5 rushing TDs—WAY behind Hurts (15), Allen (13), and even Dobbs (6). Then again he is the winningest QB in the league (with a schedule that includes 12 games against likely playoff teams) and transparently the best player on the field in every game he plays. Dude is the MVP. All the arguments against are cope.
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mvp.... is mike evans
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lamar should be mvp for his intangibles. i want the stats nerds to all poo poo and piss their pants as the stud clinches 2x MVP
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yeah not a single of the QBs are so far and away better statistically that they'll win based on that, it's down to vibes
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Then again he is the winningest QB in the league (with a schedule that includes 12 games against likely playoff teams) and transparently the best player on the field in every game he plays. Dude is the MVP. All the arguments against are cope. It's fine with me. I like Lamar and would rather he win it than a Dolphin. It's just that his case is really bad.
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Joe Flacco MVP, there I said it.
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Parallax posted:yeah not a single of the QBs are so far and away better statistically that they'll win based on that, it's down to vibes If we are basing it off vibes then your mvp is baker Mayfield
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BlindSite posted:Jordan Love opened well and then struggled a little bit like 3 weeks in, I'm going to chalk this up to, defenses finding their feet and more film, but he's come out the other side and looked fantastic. Gotta give credit where it's due, especially after the rumours of him not having much between the ears were cropping up in the offseason. my eye test on Love was that he was correctly identifying open receivers but he kept constantly overthrowing them (and then overcompensating and underthrowing them) and then he stopped doing that and I hate it because I'm a Vikings fan
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you've got to have baker mayfield in play for the mvp award.
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I don't really care who gets MVP, this has been the year defense struck back. I do think Lamar's as worthy as anyone else and I think the Ravens stuffing his main MVP rival Brock Purdy into a dumpster in one of the most watched primetime games ever will probably make it more likely he gets it. You could make a stats case for Tua, especially if they win on Sunday. Dark horse Josh Allen if they somehow claw back to win the AFC East. or just give MVP to Kyle Hamilton
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The case for Tua is that he is maybe literally the only QB in the league that gets the ball out fast enough for his offense to function like it does. Like Tyreek or no, they don't make it through the cowboys with anyone holding the ball a split second longer
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Yeah I'm loath to admit it but I think it has to be Tua at this point. He's actually having a special season and he's looked good even with an absent or hobbled Hill. I still think Purdy was unfairly maligned and his numbers are the most obscene, but you can't give the MVP to a guy that gets benched on Christmas for Sam Darnold on principle
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fsif posted:I still think Purdy was unfairly maligned and his numbers are the most obscene, but you can't give the MVP to a guy that gets benched on Christmas for Sam Darnold on principle Most Valuable Pumpkin
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if Tua even goes 1-1 in the next two games he makes a strong case since it's gonna be him with a massacred O-line, no waddle, and a banged up hill, mostert and achane
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Yeah maybe Sunday Miami @ Baltimore is the battle for both the 1 seed and the MVP. Of course it’s a 1 o’clock game
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As long as the QB MVP isn't Dak Prescott, I have no problems. Lamar is great, and there are still better non-QB options that could take it.
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Sorry for using a Stat but it's kind of remarkable how slow the narrative on Howell has been to catch up to the reality https://twitter.com/CDCarter13/status/1739714247532126409 I think a lot of the general population is still in a "promising young QB" place with him based on him posting some big numbers in the early part of the season, but dude has been straight dookie for a while and got benched in two straight games, both of which saw Jacoby Brissett immediately and significantly improve the offense's performance. Can't imagine the Commanders would hesitate to take a QB with their first rounder at this point if someone they like is on the board
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Parallax posted:give most valuable player to you, the fans 
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Joe Flacco MVP, there I said it.
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xbilkis posted:Sorry for using a Stat but it's kind of remarkable how slow the narrative on Howell has been to catch up to the reality Everyone knows he sucks, I don't think there is anything "quiet" about it
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I don't mind giving it to Lamar again for now. Lamar rules. If Tua has crazy numbers and beats the Ravens and Bills, he has a claim to it, and so does Josh Allen if he has insane games against NE and Miami. Brock Purdy is interesting because with what they are paying him and where he was drafted, he is an extremely VALUABLE player. The big debate though is a player like Lamar and Allen and even Tua (because of his speed at getting the ball out) are essential to their teams being able to win in a way I'm not convinced Purdy is. I think the MVP rave will come into clarity after these next few weeks.
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MVP is THE narrative award. Lamar will win because he went head to head on Christmas night with the presumptive MVP and played great while the competition got intercepted 4 times. The only way this doesn't happen is if Tua has a dramatically better game than Lamar on Sunday. Even that may not be enough because that game is happening at 10 am.
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xbilkis posted:Sorry for using a Stat but it's kind of remarkable how slow the narrative on Howell has been to catch up to the reality Sam Howell is the best QB in the league vs the Eagles and real bad against everyone else
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wandler20 posted:Those sick enough to watch the Cardinals this year, how has Kyler been? Looked like trash against the bears
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R.D. Mangles posted:Looked like trash against the bears And the Niners
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Lamar better get at least one td pass this week, because I don't know if voters are ready to give mvp to a guy with 19 regardless of other context
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Sam Howell has been sacked 60 times this season? Thats legitimately impressive I remember when poor hapless David Carr set an all time record for # of times being sacked with 76 back in 2002. If you try hard enough Sam, you can get there buddy!
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Mike N Eich posted:Sam Howell has been sacked 60 times this season? Thats legitimately impressive Carr was sacked 68 times in 2005. Curse of Tony Boselli did not gently caress around.
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Mike N Eich posted:Sam Howell has been sacked 60 times this season? Thats legitimately impressive Sam Howell is the worst combo of being really bad right now and also being super resilient.
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wandler20 posted:Those sick enough to watch the Cardinals this year, how has Kyler been? Bad. Not atrocious but like he somehow hasn't ever played in an NFL offense. He's still got the speed though. If Atlanta doesn't get Fields they should get him.
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