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McGavin posted:That says a lot more about the capabilities of the average Finn than it does about the entire rest of the world. Yeah finns are known to be bad drivers compared to americans
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Having grown up in a Right Turn on Red state all my life it's normal as can be. But my state also allows Left Turn on Red when turning onto a one way street; and it feels illegal every time I do it, especially when I'm turning from a two-way street onto a one-way street and there are cars stopped across the intersection at the same red light.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:21
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His Divine Shadow posted:Yeah finns are known to be bad drivers compared to americans People in the rest of the world don't need to have someone else in the car telling them how to turn.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:22
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McGavin posted:People in the rest of the world don't need to have someone else in the car telling them how to turn. (glances at phone)
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Dec 27, 2023 15:27
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McGavin posted:People in the rest of the world don't need to have someone else in the car telling them how to turn. This bit doesn't work because Finns are better drivers than Americans, and their law is for pedestrian safety, which is calamitous in the US.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:29
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Oblique rally references aside, I decided to google it and from what I can see, saying rest of the world allows turn on red is incorrect. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/nzprca/where_you_can_and_cannot_make_a_right_turn_or/ The map in the link above has Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark marked as no data but all these countries don't allow turn on red (Denmark allows it for cyclists). Germany, France etc. allows right on red if there's an explicit signage allowing it but default is not allowed.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:36
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His Divine Shadow posted:Oblique rally references aside, I decided to google it and from what I can see, saying rest of the world allows turn on red is incorrect. RE: Denmark, generally if there's a situation like that, the lights will indicate permitted right-turn-on-red situations, like there'll be an additional "right turn allowed"-lamp attached to it.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:40
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This bit doesn't work because Finns are better drivers than Americans, and their law is for pedestrian safety, which is calamitous in the US. It's this. Right on red is lethal and kills a large number of people every year, but the american auto and insurance industries were able to successfully get all incidents with autos labeled as "accidents" and absolve drivers and themselves of liability so long ago that it is intractable from our society. If you want to murder someone and get away with it, run them over with your car. It's the most legal form of murder in the united states.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:41
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Street Fighter II had the right idea.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:44
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love to turn right on red
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For example, a rich kid at the biggest highschool in Amarillo, TX ran over a punk kid he didn't like while telling his friends "I'm a ninja in my caddy." Dude walked with 10 years probation and $10k fine. The hit and run was deliberate. He targeted and murdered someone and got away with it.
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Dec 27, 2023 15:47
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Right on red would be better if anyone actually stopped behind the line, checked for pedestrians and vehicles, then proceeded. I might be the only nerd on the road doing this.
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Dec 27, 2023 16:31
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:Right on red would be better if anyone actually stopped behind the line, checked for pedestrians and vehicles, then proceeded. I might be the only nerd on the road doing this. It would also help if roads had better visibility. There's intersections around here with so many trees lining them that even in winter the only way to make a right turn on red or at a single stop sign, is to either be in the crosswalk or in some cases well past the crosswalk.
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Dec 27, 2023 16:44
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His Divine Shadow posted:No right on red is standard in Finland and I didn't know it could be otherwise until I was an adult. It feels pretty weird to contemplate that there are places where it's legal and normal to run a red if you turn right. In Germany there is a special sign that allows right turns on red instead of forbidding it (weird, I know). That is one of the very few positive relics from East German law.
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Dec 27, 2023 16:55
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One of the weirder traffic setups I've run into was an intersection with a left turn lane that allowed u-turns on a protected green arrow. Of course, the safety of that maneuver depends on people in the oncoming cross lane to read and obey their "no right turn on red" sign, so it was doomed from the start. The left turn lane was constantly backed up during busy traffic times by people stopping so they wouldn't run into the folks trying to illegally turn into the same lane, what a mess.
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Dec 27, 2023 17:04
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Captain Hygiene posted:One of the weirder traffic setups I've run into was an intersection with a left turn lane that allowed u-turns on a protected green arrow. Of course, the safety of that maneuver depends on people in the oncoming cross lane to read and obey their "no right turn on red" sign, so it was doomed from the start. The left turn lane was constantly backed up during busy traffic times by people stopping so they wouldn't run into the folks trying to illegally turn into the same lane, what a mess. Right across from my work there's a very commonly used road that is right off of an intersection. I just google mapsed it at 100 feet. So easily 3 out of every 4 cars turning left at that light from the cross street are going to want to get into the right lane and then take that road off the main two lane road. But if they're turning left, they're supposed to turn into the left lane. Almost no one does this, and in fact I can watch almost every time the light turns someone is turning right out of the other cross street, into the right lane, almost get hit/actually get hit/gets the horn laid on by someone turning left into the right lane and getting mad about it.
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Dec 27, 2023 17:09
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Finland uses a lot of slip lanes and separate signals for right turns instead.
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Issaries posted:Finland uses a lot of slip lanes and separate signals for right turns instead. Our lanes are only slippy in winter. So at most 8 months a year.
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Dec 27, 2023 17:39
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Mr. Nice! posted:For example, a rich kid at the biggest highschool in Amarillo, TX ran over a punk kid he didn't like while telling his friends "I'm a ninja in my caddy." Dude walked with 10 years probation and $10k fine. This speaks more to Affluenza and the power of money in the court system than anything else.
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Dec 27, 2023 18:29
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Fatrick posted:This speaks more to Affluenza and the power of money in the court system than anything else. He wasn't that rich. He was still at a public school in bumfuck northwest texas. There are countless examples of people being killed by car drivers and the drivers facing no consequences. This is a societal choice we have made.
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Dec 27, 2023 18:57
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A 5A UIL school actually is pretty sizeable. Amarillo is definitely not BFE even if it's just boring suburban sprawl. Texas gets loving desolate.
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I do think that it speaks towards intentionally inflicting violence with a vehicle as being seen as less violent than say stabbing someone, and the perception of a person who would do the former as being less of a danger to others. I feel like the dissociation from other drivers and pedestrians as being people when in a vehicle is normal to some extent, but is made worse by our culture, and helps contribute to legal attitudes towards violence and negligence surrounding vehicles.
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Dec 27, 2023 19:08
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All this talk of intersections and nobody mentions these abominations?
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Dec 27, 2023 19:11
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I wouldn't mind Type C, that fits with my desired lifestyle of avoiding left turns.
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Dec 27, 2023 19:14
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Wasabi the J posted:A 5A UIL school actually is pretty sizeable. Amarillo is definitely not BFE even if it's just boring suburban sprawl. You're getting caught in the weeds (also very easy to do in a middle of nowhere place like Amarillo). The point was just to emphasize that actual malice aforethought often doesn't matter if you're behind the wheel of a vehicle in the united states.
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Dec 27, 2023 19:21
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Vampire Panties posted:All this talk of intersections and nobody mentions these abominations? they're good
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Captain Hygiene posted:I wouldn't mind Type C, that fits with my desired lifestyle of avoiding left turns. Zoolander approved
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Vampire Panties posted:All this talk of intersections and nobody mentions these abominations? Better or worse than a diverging diamond? 
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Dec 27, 2023 19:56
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iroc.dis posted:Better or worse than a diverging diamond? I’m ok with jughandles, traffic going left isn’t slowing and clogging up the speed lane, it’s slowing in the slow lane where it should.
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Dec 27, 2023 19:59
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Vampire Panties posted:All this talk of intersections and nobody mentions these abominations? Type C seems ok? Type B looks bonkers if they don't have traffic lights. Type A seems kinda pointless?
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His Divine Shadow posted:No right on red is standard in Finland and I didn't know it could be otherwise until I was an adult. It feels pretty weird to contemplate that there are places where it's legal and normal to run a red if you turn right. Up until 1974, you could not move off of a red signal, though that may have varied by state/jurisdiction. In 1974 Richard Nixon authorized the National Mandatory Speed Limit (set to 55MPH). Turning on red was legalized everywhere under the Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975 as a requirement to obtain federal highway funds, and was soon followed by other gas-saving measures. The idea was that it would save gas sitting idling, waiting for the light to change. So followed the installation of "no turn on red" signs, on a case-by-case basis depending on it being able to be done safely (if memory serves, there has to be at least 300-feet/90M of visibility into oncoming traffic, for the driver turning). Vampire Panties posted:All this talk of intersections and nobody mentions these abominations? Welcome to New Jersey PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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biznatchio posted:Having grown up in a Right Turn on Red state all my life it's normal as can be. But my state also allows Left Turn on Red when turning onto a one way street; and it feels illegal every time I do it, especially when I'm turning from a two-way street onto a one-way street and there are cars stopped across the intersection at the same red light. I thought the left turn on red onto a one way street was only allowed if you were also on a one way street. Otherwise, unknown to you, the cars facing you could get a green slightly before you did, so you'd be turning into people who have the right of way.
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iroc.dis posted:Better or worse than a diverging diamond? What do they do if something causes the traffic lights to fail? Play chicken?
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iroc.dis posted:Better or worse than a diverging diamond? Hahahahahaha DEATH!
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What's the point of the diverging diamond?
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Nenonen posted:What do they do if something causes the traffic lights to fail? Play chicken? They become a die merging diamond.
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Nenonen posted:What do they do if something causes the traffic lights to fail? Play chicken? The same thing you always do? Treat it as a stop sign controlled intersection.
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RandomPauI posted:What's the point of the diverging diamond? As I understand it, it takes less space, avoids weaving of lanes, and allows a smoother flow of cars through overall. And it gives boomers something to complain about.
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Dec 27, 2023 21:17
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Captain Hygiene posted:One of the weirder traffic setups I've run into was an intersection with a left turn lane that allowed u-turns on a protected green arrow. How is that weird? When/where would you allow U turns?
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Platystemon posted:How is that weird? the protected u turn i see downtown a lot, where there is a concrete island running down the center dividing the street
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