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Toaster Beef posted:The idea of Hester getting in over a bunch of incredible WRs stuck in a logjam kinda sucks, but since returns are (or were, I guess, since kickoff returns are all but gone) an enormous part of the game and he changed every game he was in by virtue of making teams play around him, it's hard to say he doesn't deserve to be there.
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pasaluki posted:Leger Douzable was on SiriusXM and made a pretty interesting connection. Hope russ signs a 3 year 150 mil deal with the falcons now, to complete the cycle.
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It's notable that Hester was a really good punt returner but not nearly as good as kick returner. There were better kick returners even contemporaneously, such as Josh Cribbs or Leon Washington, and shortly after like Cordarrelle Patterson, but as far as punt returns goes Hester absolutely blows away everyone else all time from what I can tell.
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Also the fact Hester was the best while on special teams, which is often disregarded when compared to offense or defense. I'll never forget in a press conference a reporter asked Bill Belichick what's the most important part of football and without a beat said "special teams. It sets up where offense & defense starts, and you will be at a disadvantage if your special teams are not good." I mean, look at the 2010 Chargers.
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hester should go in because he was so loving cool, there was not a cooler nfl player in the early aughts, and he was on the loving chicago bears, the least cool football team of all time.
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Hester was insane. He made you pay if you kick it to him. Also nobody will ever touch that record.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Russ on the Cardinals until they wreck another #1 overall pick. hey
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Shindragon posted:Hester was insane. He made you pay if you kick it to him. Also nobody will ever touch that record. This. He changed the game by being on the field. Teams had to specifically gameplan around him. When you have to shift your entire gameplan up to account for one dude, that dude is something remarkable. Devin Hester was an ok WR. He's the best punt returner in NFL history in the way that Jerry Rice hangs over every other WR. No one cares about who is back there returning punts 99% of the time. Hester was that 1%. He had the power to change games by himself, and he frequently did so. He played a massive part in the bears super bowl season (his rookie year, I might add) and was critical to their success in any win where he returned balls. Hester was something special, and he should be in the HoF as a special teams returner. Even if they never add anyone else in that category it will be fine, because there hasn't ever been a Devin Hester and in the years since he left the league, no one close has emerged.
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Abugadu posted:what the poo poo Bro he's like 15th on the stat list he wasn't even close to being the best.
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Anyone arguing against Hester is unserious or trolling. He's #1 with a bullet from that list of candidates. Joining Hester should be: Andre Johnson Reggie Wayne Julius Peppers Antonio Gates Don't feel bad about leaving most of those other guys out. Ton of Hall of Very Good guys that got no place in being considered. When is Steve Smith eligible? He's a walk in co.oared to a bunch of these guys.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Hester was something special, and he should be in the HoF as a special teams returner. Even if they never add anyone else in that category it will be fine, because there hasn't ever been a Devin Hester and in the years since he left the league, no one close has emerged.  The Puppy Bowl posted:Anyone arguing against Hester is unserious or trolling. Or they just hate fun. Hester was incredibly fun and exiting to watch, even if he was on the other team, in a way few other players have ever been.
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The guy who came closest to Hester's excitement factor was Dante " the human joystick" Hall and he didn't last very long at all. Hester haters can suck it
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Anyone arguing against Hester is unserious or trolling. He's #1 with a bullet from that list of candidates. Joining Hester should be: Are you kidding me     He should maybe go in as a punt returner but even that is pathetic when you have people in the HoF like Deion Sanders. Hester doesn't deserve to be in the same room as other returners around him. You all fell for marketing.
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I'm convinced now, Devin Hester sucks Dave Meggett should be in the Hall of Fame
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Josh Cribbs HOF
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Doltos posted:Are you kidding me What you posted says hester is #1 at overall return TDs counting kickoff and punt, is so far ahead on punt returns no one will ever touch him, and his overall return yardage (which really should be looked at as yards/attempt) is near the top of all time.
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Black Sunshine posted:I'm convinced now, Devin Hester sucks Meggett was great in Tecmo Super Bowl  and All-Pro 2K8.Just, uh, don’t look up his life outside or after football 
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Hard to get counting stats when teams just stop loving punting or kicking to you. and instead take 20 -30 yards of field position loss instead.
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Mr. Nice! posted:What you posted says hester is #1 at overall return TDs counting kickoff and punt, is so far ahead on punt returns no one will ever touch him, and his overall return yardage (which really should be looked at as yards/attempt) is near the top of all time. Oh so you agree with me that Josh Cribbs and Cordarrelle Patterson should be in the HOF then
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I mean it's nice and all, but like 14 td's is a pretty small number to hang your hat on. Like 3 guys have scored more than that many TD's this year.
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Surely some nerd has gone through Hester's career and gotten some idea of just how many yards opponents gave up rather than kick to him? And tried to approximate some adjusted career stats using that? And if nobody has, they should do it and pay me 700 dollars for the idea.
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fartknocker posted:Meggett was great in Tecmo Super Bowl Crime in Sports has an episode on him and yeah... it's pretty bad
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Revis is like 230th in career ints and 20th in passes defended, can’t believe they put that guy in the hall.
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If we can put kickers in the hall of fame we can put return men in as well.
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Doltos posted:Oh so you agree with me that Josh Cribbs and Cordarrelle Patterson should be in the HOF then Man I really want to agree that Cribbs belongs in the hall but he is borderline at best. His extremely high counting stats are probably a result of just how godawful the Browns were for his tenure. Lots of teams scored a lot on the Browns so he had lots of oppurtunities to return kicks. Cribbs case can probably be better made at how good he was at kick and punt coverage.
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Bro Darrelle Revis is like #236 all time for interceptions how come people think he should be in the Hall?YOLOsubmarine posted:Revis is like 230th in career ints and 20th in passes defended, can’t believe they put that guy in the hall. Gdi
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SKULL.GIF posted:Bro Darrelle Revis is like #236 all time for interceptions how come people think he should be in the Hall? Submarined again!!!!
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And once again we're back to my argument that Julian Edelman is clearly a hall of famer for his multiple great Superbowl games.
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I'm for Hester in the HoF because no other skill position player in the NFL could have possibly put up his stats, no sir, no way would a coach ever not put a skill position in to return kicks because they're more valuable on offense. Boy howdy.
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a neat cape posted:I think it'd be cool if Antonio Gates went to the Hall of Fame on his first ballot the basketball hall of fame???????????????
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SKULL.GIF posted:Bro Darrelle Revis is like #236 all time for interceptions how come people think he should be in the Hall? Not fast enough Skull! Unlike Devin Hester who was fast enough to evade special teams defenders 20 times to score touchdowns during his illustrious Hall of Fame career.
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I dunno what we're talking about but it feels like if you're a backup QB / practice squad QB who hasn't played yet this year you may be entitled to compensation https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1740440213871333726
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Hester should go into the hall for returning a kickoff for a TD in a superbowl. There have been better returner tho
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Harlock posted:I dunno what we're talking about but it feels like if you're a backup QB / practice squad QB who hasn't played yet this year you may be entitled to compensation Can’t wait for that inevitable game 18!
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R.D. Mangles posted:the basketball hall of fame??????????????? I don't know if you realize this, but this joke is very appropriate given that Antonio Gates didn't play football in college and instead played basketball
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The Basketball Hall of Fame is what people want the NFL HOF to turn into because then all their favorite players who were pretty good get the award and then they feel good. That's not the NFL HOF. You have to be literally the best. A returner who didn't even play offense is not that. He could have been fungible with any other skill position and the fact that no one wastes their best players on returning is a testament to how meh Hester career was.
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