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Shitenshi posted:drat, they pulled off an "It was all just a dream," type twist and didn't make me hate it. Well done. I'm annoyed they spent a good portion of the episode on it for it to be a dream, but it was well done. Doesn't surprise me given she was hardly in the last one.
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sensenmann420 posted:Ive been thinking, Juno Temple also played a chatacyer named 'Dot' in Killer Joe, where the Dot in that movie gets sold to a criminal sheriff (played my matthew mc). Is that just a coincidence or is this written to be in the same sort of universe as Killer Joe? sure That movie is amazing I appreciate that they made their own version of this axe murder scene from Fargo The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ9q0PoD3Y8&t=98s Turpitude fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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I've been really REALLY enjoying this season and this latest episode is maybe the first time I've felt a little sour note, or at least... a little confusion. What do you think it means that her telling her story FINALLY, getting it all off her chest FINALLY and achieving that catharsis for both her and us took place in a dream? Like, you could have this same issue of a car accident and Roy re-capture without making her therapy session something that didn't really happen without too much changing (barring some weird surprise with the Lindas later), so obviously this is trying to do something, just wondering what. It was still a really strong episode of TV and maybe the best use of, ah, mixed media I've seen in a show since that robot cartoon in Season... 2?
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I think there's two impulses. Firstly, the show just likes to have these strange supernatural intercessions happen occasionally. Sometimes it's less ambiguous (flying saucer) and sometimes more so (that shot of Malvo with wings of blood). And, secondly, sending Dot to a separate, liminal space allows the show to talk about spousal abuse in a way that's more protected than sort of letting it play out in the middle of the overall plot. So this episode could have largely been a coma dream, or perhaps Dot actually went to the land of the dead and talked to Tillman's dead wife and achieved this personal catharsis (I'm leaning towards the latter). But either way you're taking her away to a safe space where the character can work through her issues on her own terms and at her own pace, without the threat of Tillman invading or her wicked mother in law subverting the mental health process, or just the constant stress that Dot's gonna be feeling because of her various jobs and issues and concerns. And sometimes you just need to have a really good nap.
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uber_stoat posted:Munch is a Chigurh remix i guess, he has Rules and if you violate the Rules you're hosed. old lady gave Munch hospitality and pancakes and Gator killed her. Gator is not long for the world.
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NorgLyle posted:His face when he found her body was amazing. He's doing great physical acting, it really makes the character. Well, that and the outfits.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I think there's two impulses... Yeah that tracks and it works for me. I will say I appreciate the... tasteful distance this episode maintained from some horrific physical and sexual abuse. We were able to talk about it without being like monstrously traumatizing, which I appreciate for personal reasons. I think it was a really genius way to get you to feel what Dot is feeling without completely destroying the ability to enjoy the show as a show. So if the gimmick of this episode was in furtherance of letting us work it out without being totally devastated, I can vibe with that
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I must be pretty dense because I didn’t realize the woman’s commune stuff was supposed to be a dream until after I watched and then read this thread. Also thank god I was wrong because I thought it was JLL who the sin eater was going to axe because of the dang “this season on” teaser.
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Open Source Idiom posted:random "that's capitalism!" car dealer guy who spent way too long underlining themes. Yeah, we got what was going on guys, you can be less broad.
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We're close enough to COVID time that I can imagine it being a plot point. It's November 2019 in the show and things didn't really go to hell until mid-March, but I can see getting there. Maybe it's just on my mind since everyone's getting sick with it in real life.That Dang Dad posted:Yeah that tracks and it works for me. I will say I appreciate the... tasteful distance this episode maintained from some horrific physical and sexual abuse. We were able to talk about it without being like monstrously traumatizing, which I appreciate for personal reasons. I think it was a really genius way to get you to feel what Dot is feeling without completely destroying the ability to enjoy the show as a show. I'm not a psychologist, but I think puppets are used in abuse therapy for this exact reason. I also liked the reveal that Gator was like a younger brother to Dot while they were living together, going to her for comfort while his dad was beating his mom and so on. He's still a piece of poo poo, but that's how he was raised.
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LifeLynx posted:I also liked the reveal that Gator was like a younger brother to Dot while they were living together, going to her for comfort while his dad was beating his mom and so on. He's still a piece of poo poo, but that's how he was raised.
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LifeLynx posted:We're close enough to COVID time that I can imagine it being a plot point. It's November 2019 in the show and things didn't really go to hell until mid-March, but I can see getting there. Maybe it's just on my mind since everyone's getting sick with it in real life. When the movie Inside Out came out, non communicative children used dolls of the characters to express how felt. Good episode. Dot made peace with her feelings for the first wife "sacrificing" her, but now she's stuck with Roy. NorgLyle posted:The reveal that Dot believes that Gator is "trying to be good, you can see it in his eyes. But he wants to be his Dad more" was one of the saddest moments from the whole episode, especially when put into context with the puppets later on. It reminds me of the Fascist sidequest ending from Disco Elysium. You need to have these beliefs and subscribe to these tenets because otherwise, you'll hate yourself. Okuteru fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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I think part of the reason for the dream sequence is to take the possibility of a non-violent solution off the table. It was a lie from the start, and things are going to come to blows no matter what.
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Yeah, Killer Joe is a wild ride and Juno Temple is great in it. Enjoying this season, but it took me way too long to figure out Gator is Steve Harrington.
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LifeLynx posted:We're close enough to COVID time that I can imagine it being a plot point. It's November 2019 in the show and things didn't really go to hell until mid-March, but I can see getting there. Maybe it's just on my mind since everyone's getting sick with it in real life. I don't see how shifting everything into a global pandemic would make for entertaining Fargo TV, especially with it being a very recent and troubling memory for a lot of people still.
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The season so far has taken place over a few days right? I can’t imagine they’d time skip ahead a few months
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That Dang Dad posted:Yeah that tracks and it works for me. I will say I appreciate the... tasteful distance this episode maintained from some horrific physical and sexual abuse. We were able to talk about it without being like monstrously traumatizing, which I appreciate for personal reasons. I think it was a really genius way to get you to feel what Dot is feeling without completely destroying the ability to enjoy the show as a show. yah, i appreciated this too- it's the sort of sleight of hand that allows a piece like this to get into talking about some rough business. it makes me think of bojack horseman, and how they were able to address some seriously tough issues around personal trauma and the exploitative showbusiness industry, thru animal caricatures and silly sight gags
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Props to this show for making the sound of a puppet hitting another puppet into the most haunting thing ever
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ChesterJT posted:Why wouldn't that still have been her plan? And just to reiterate, I'm not trying to poorly watch TV here. I really enjoy the dreamlike nature of finding a secret message and following it to a retreat and fighting your inner demons with puppets to successfully communicate to the audience your horrible backstory. I'm just idly wondering out loud. Also wanna add that complicating the Gator character like this really is saddening because he's definitely going to bite it before the show is over. Either that or he does Roy in in a moment of pre-death clarity like Darth Vader throwing Palpatine in a pit. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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ruddiger posted:I must be pretty dense because I didn’t realize the woman’s commune stuff was supposed to be a dream until after I watched and then read this thread. The dream sequence ends with her staring at the same pancakes in the diner she was earlier. (E- her falling asleep at the wheel was interesting foreshadowing now that I realize it.) I was hoping it was going to lead to Linda and Dot going after Roy in their own way while Lorraine and Indira had a separate plot brewing and was actually disappointed when it turned out to be a dream. Open Source Idiom posted:So this episode could have largely been a coma dream, or perhaps Dot actually went to the land of the dead and talked to Tillman's dead wife and achieved this personal catharsis (I'm leaning towards the latter). But either way you're taking her away to a safe space where the character can work through her issues on her own terms and at her own pace, without the threat of Tillman invading or her wicked mother in law subverting the mental health process, or just the constant stress that Dot's gonna be feeling because of her various jobs and issues and concerns. The accident/poasible coma happens after the dream unless there's something else they're going to pull. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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I figured she fell asleep at the wheel and the entire episode was a dream, like one of those dreams where you dream about waking up but you're still asleep. Helped me understand the random truck bit a bit better too, since it's not a random truck ploughing into a bunch of strangers, it's Dot's mind rationalising a head on collision. I dunno if it ultimately matters much though.
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The whole “visiting the afterlife” thing is a good read I didn’t consider before reading the thread. Dot accepted “Linda packed her bags and left overnight” at face value and has been mad at a dead woman ever since
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eke out posted:all the scenes with wayne and scotty were so unbelievably sweet this episode The dialogue was a bit stilted, but I am here for Wayne's electro-charged humanity. (He was never a bad guy, just seems to be turning into a good guy)
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Open Source Idiom posted:I figured she fell asleep at the wheel and the entire episode was a dream, like one of those dreams where you dream about waking up but you're still asleep. Helped me understand the random truck bit a bit better too, since it's not a random truck ploughing into a bunch of strangers, it's Dot's mind rationalising a head on collision. Or we're just over-analyzing and this is simply the weakpoint of the season that doesn't matter because it's just being used as a transition.
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Munch is going to wreak havoc upon Roy's compound and his men. Providing Dot with the opportunity to escape. Or Munch might even let her go himself, game recognizing game and all that. No better way to gently caress with Gator and Roy than releasing their captive tiger. The cops and FBI might do their raid at the same time too, just to make things even more hectic.
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Munch is pretty pragmatic about who he goes after and his debt over Dot's been settled. He doesn't blame her for fighting back, he blames Roy for not warning him she'd fight back. Munch got no beef with Dot. And Dot is Roy's third wife, correct? We know at least one's buried, but is the implication of this episode that Linda might be dead, too? eke out posted:all the scenes with wayne and scotty were so unbelievably sweet this episode Nothing better happen to either one of them. I will raise motherfucking cain.
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Dot may remember it as being abandoned but I'm pretty sure Linda is dead as a doornail.
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Yeah it feels way more Fargo-y that Linda's dead and Dot's dreamland was pure wish fulfilment because nobody's ever had her back. Which is gonna make it all the sweeter/sourer when she does/n't discover Lorraine has her back.
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Got it, that makes sense. It also makes sense as to why Linda would leave her son with Roy. I mean, yeah, mothers abandon their children but it feels thematically stronger if she was prevented from taking him. By virtue of being dead.
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My assumption was that the dream sequence initially played out as Dot planned to do; I don't know what she had buried underneath the windmill, be it a weapon or evidence to use against Roy or whatever, but she was going to get it and discovered that it had been taken by Linda. Then she tracked down Linda as Plan B.
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Das Boo posted:Munch is pretty pragmatic about who he goes after and his debt over Dot's been settled. He doesn't blame her for fighting back, he blames Roy for not warning him she'd fight back. Munch got no beef with Dot. Not "might be dead, too" - I think the implication is that Linda is the one that's buried, but I'd have to rewatch because I can't even remember who said the part about being buried.
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LifeLynx posted:Not "might be dead, too" - I think the implication is that Linda is the one that's buried, but I'd have to rewatch because I can't even remember who said the part about being buried. I can't, either. It would make a world of difference if it was the FBI agents vs. say, Gator.
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Das Boo posted:And Dot is Roy's third wife, correct? We know at least one's buried, but is the implication of this episode that Linda might be dead, too? Nah, she's his middle wife.
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Just rewatched the movie and the axe swing in the most recent episode is nearly a dead match for Peter Stormare’s. Fun! efb maybe I should read posts limp dick calvin fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jan 1, 2024 |
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I think this show has handled the source material well in that respect. Most season's have multiple shots/characters directly homaged from Fargo, but it's usually not in a way that would be obvious if you haven't seen the original. Opening it up beyond Fargo to the broader Coen Bro films has also been neat.
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