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Banning mods is not gonna happen considering how much free dev work modders do to fix Fatshark's issues. I'm still salty it takes a mod to fix a day-one issue where Melk's contracts don't update unless you specifically visit melk with each character first. Also the "cache" mod that makes hub loading not take 3+ minutes randomly for unfathomable reasons.
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Homeless Friend posted:On the subject of the scoreboard tired capitalist selfishness: we want scoreboards wired leftist solidarity: total kills is what matters
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Dec 28, 2023 11:35
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An xbox vet isn't carrying poo poo except a lot of corruption from their downs Edit: or the ammo crate to the end of the map
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Does the Xbox version autoaim for players because controllers can't reliably line up headshots? Or are they held to the same standards as m+k players? They're usually the bad player(s) on any pubbie team, but I wonder if that's because they're used to shooters doing half the work for them.
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Dec 28, 2023 12:39
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how long does the karnak twin event go on for?
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there are assist but also even on pc head hitboxes are bigger than they appear
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Dec 28, 2023 14:14
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Evil Kit posted:It's very much the offense stealth as opposed to Vet's defensive stealth. Still a solid ability mind you but I always roll my eyes a little when I see a Zealot with it cause 90% of them how no idea how to actually make use of it. Just curious but in your opinion what is the proper way to use it? I have yet to find a build I really like on my zealot, may give the stealth a try.
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Bored Grunt posted:Just curious but in your opinion what is the proper way to use it? I have yet to find a build I really like on my zealot, may give the stealth a try. don't use it because Charge and Chorus are both infinitely better in the majority of circumstances you involve yourself as Zealot.  It has merit with a Thunder Hammer for just deleting a boss's health bar, and is probably fine to use generally but tbh I haven't personally touched the ability. Zealot is my most played class overall as well. Need to change that at some point I suppose. edit: To try and elaborate on some actual use cases that aren't just a player forgetting it exists most of the time- Reposition to get closer to a bunch of shooters safely to tie them up Use it for a big burst of damage on a large single target (crusher, mauler, monsters. Mediocre use on crushers on maulers imo with the sheer amount that spawn on Damnation+ and the CD the ability has) Giving you some uninterrupted time to get a teammate up off the ground. (only if you have the 6 second stealth, 3 second one cuts it close) a small burst of toughness back if you have the ability modifier drop aggro if you're in a bad spot Evil Kit fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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Dec 28, 2023 15:48
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Evil Kit posted:don't use it because Charge and Chorus are both infinitely better in the majority of circumstances you involve yourself as Zealot. To add to this, it's also nice for reloading bolters. If snipers are in a hard position to take out, it's nice to be able to take your time to line up a shot uninterrupted. Also it's got its own voice lines so thats cool. MuffinsAndPie fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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Dec 28, 2023 16:27
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An old ranger trick....
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Evil Kit posted:don't use it because Charge and Chorus are both infinitely better in the majority of circumstances you involve yourself as Zealot. It's also really good to force objectives to keep going if your team is stalling out and not progressing during an event. The ability modifier to extend to 6 seconds is usually enough to complete a symbols task, do a couple scans in a bad spot, or to be the person to toss canisters up ledges (pop stealth before picking up the canister since the ability auto-drops).
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Floodkiller posted:It's also really good to force objectives to keep going if your team is stalling out and not progressing during an event. The ability modifier to extend to 6 seconds is usually enough to complete a symbols task, do a couple scans in a bad spot, or to be the person to toss canisters up ledges (pop stealth before picking up the canister since the ability auto-drops). yeah but Vet can do that or better with their stealth which lasts 3x as long for no ability modifier. And if you're using a TH for the BIG BAM on monsters then you're probably taking Perfectionist instead of Mastercrafted so you've got a piddly 3 seconds of stealth. MuffinsAndPie posted:To add to this, it's also nice for reloading bolters. If snipers are in a hard position to take out, it's nice to be able to take your time to line up a shot uninterrupted. Also it's got its own voice lines so thats cool. I didn't mention reloading your weapon because it's honestly kind of a pointless upside. You could use any downtime to reload your weapon, why pop a relatively value ability for it? Bolter kinda sucks right now anyway so if you're bringing one that's on you. Not to mention the reload talent is right there.
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Stealth, the same as it was in vermintide, is the best clutch skill in the game, team dying constantly? just go invisible and pick everyone up while the enemies stand around. Team unable to do objectives? stealth has you covered. Everything went to poo poo? JUST WALK OUT! You can leave!!! Crusher and mauler swarm More gunners than you can count Team netted into flamers Poxhound parade Chaos spawn if you're quick IF IT SUCKS, HIT DA BRICKS!!!
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Dec 28, 2023 17:01
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Fishstick posted:Banning mods is not gonna happen considering how much free dev work modders do to fix Fatshark's issues. I'm still salty it takes a mod to fix a day-one issue where Melk's contracts don't update unless you specifically visit melk with each character first. THESE. And the ability to see who has how many contracts completed from the main screen. I use the health bar mod more as a way of looking over my shoulder at other players' builds. I love my knife zealot, but I'll be damned there are some trely broken evis zealots out there. It's all in the blessings.
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Dec 28, 2023 17:03
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Stealth, the same as it was in vermintide, is the best clutch skill in the game, team dying constantly? just go invisible and pick everyone up while the enemies stand around. It's 100% all of these. The charge feels silly by comparison.
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Dec 28, 2023 17:05
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ninjoatse.cx posted:It's 100% all of these. The charge feels silly by comparison. I'm just gonna have to chalk this up to playstyle preference tbh. Enemy Armor downgrade, free crit, free 25% attack speed for melee and ranged, on demand 50% of your max toughness back and a piddly one modifier sink for 2 charges? Plus the ability to close distance in a majority of circumstances, and with the right build you get them back really really fast. It's the OG ability and if it was good then it's great now. Chorus is the strongest ability by far though overall.
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I don't like stealth because I don't trust people to have a button labeled "make the bad situation worse, but get me out of it" and know when to press it. And then rely on them to clutch after? No thank you.
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This might be a problem with ultrawide but I have no idea. See those white speed lines in the corners? The ones that look like Blazing Piety, except not orange and I'm not playing zealot? They're up 100% of the time in missions. It's not distracting as the effect is pretty subtle, but it's weird as hell.
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I'm purely a Chorus zealot player because it's the strongest ult in the game, my friend mains stealth knife zealot with that exact attitude knife zealots have a stereotype for, but he makes me respect stealth as a great zealot option and has saved impossible situations simply by doing the entire finale by himself in under a minute or two while the others are struggling to 1vs1 a poxwalker or the game just simply throws waaaaay too many things at a time for anyone to actually do something about the objectives and stay alive at the same time since as soon as the 20 shotgunners are dead it's time for the director to throw the 10 ragers and specialist wave at everyone. Stealth let's him easily solo hacks, carrying batteries, he even is optimizing how to solo the yellow tentacles and pop the eyeballs before they respawn. And if someone goes down instead of the run just being over as everyone gets overwhelmed one by one he can simply just do knife zealot things, stab gunners, outrun dangers and stealth and revive.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:This might be a problem with ultrawide but I have no idea. See those white speed lines in the corners? The ones that look like Blazing Piety, except not orange and I'm not playing zealot? They're up 100% of the time in missions. It's not distracting as the effect is pretty subtle, but it's weird as hell. I haven't seen that with 21:9 or 32:9. I'd disable any mods if you have them and then verify your game files. Seems like something is wrong unrelated to resolution.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:This might be a problem with ultrawide but I have no idea. See those white speed lines in the corners? The ones that look like Blazing Piety, except not orange and I'm not playing zealot? They're up 100% of the time in missions. It's not distracting as the effect is pretty subtle, but it's weird as hell. those are the effects showing that you have Iron Will active, or whatever the talent is called that gives you 50% toughness damage reduction when above 75% toughness on Vet
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Evil Kit posted:
It's nice for when there's a group of crushers or maulers. Using melee to kill them takes too long and relying on random teammates to do so will get the whole team killed more often than not. You can kill 2-3 crushers, reload safely in stealth, then shoot the rest of them in an extremely manageable and quick way. You don't have any downtime in that situation, and you can't really consider the ability valuable if you never use it while waiting to get the most perfect value out of it. If it's just sitting there it is in fact useless, mash that poo poo, especially if you have the cooldown perks. The reload perk is nice, but it's even nicer if you can quickly reload without having to worry about the swarm that's around you. The reload perk just lets you do your job even quicker. What alternative is better on a zealot for killing a bunch of armored heavy guys? Zealot melee and knives can take care of every other situation well enough. Adding in a bolter to cover that situation leaves you way more in control of every situation you come across. And I do agree that charge or chorus is better, but stealth does have its niche points. And one important thing about zealot and bolter is that throwing a knife while pulling out the bolter will instantly ready the weapon/skips the tail-end of the reload animation. Someone mentioned this way up thread, it's way more usable knowing that now, and actually feels good/fun to use. Evil Kit posted:I'm just gonna have to chalk this up to playstyle preference tbh. MuffinsAndPie fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:This might be a problem with ultrawide but I have no idea. See those white speed lines in the corners? The ones that look like Blazing Piety, except not orange and I'm not playing zealot? They're up 100% of the time in missions. It's not distracting as the effect is pretty subtle, but it's weird as hell. If it's up 100% of the time in missions, you're wasting talent points on something you're not using. That effect indicates you're at full stacks of Focus Target!
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Stealth, the same as it was in vermintide, is the best clutch skill in the game, team dying constantly? just go invisible and pick everyone up while the enemies stand around. I've had one game where this is actually how it played out and the stealther saved the run. The rest of the time it always feels like poo poo went to hell because the stealther pulled aggro on something they couldn't handle, stealthed, and dumped their mistake onto the rest of the team.
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isndl posted:If it's up 100% of the time in missions, you're wasting talent points on something you're not using. Huh, I had to test this and apparently I've just conflated the gently caress out of what was causing the effect. TIL.
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I mark targets quite a bit but I guess I'm not looking for speed lines in the heat of battle. It's just really noticeable during the long quiet stretches, so that checks out.
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There’s a mod that you can use to turn those effects off (individually, I believe). I don’t use it, but if it’s annoying you you could try it.
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MuffinsAndPie posted:It's nice for when there's a group of crushers or maulers. Using melee to kill them takes too long and relying on random teammates to do so will get the whole team killed more often than not. You can kill 2-3 crushers, reload safely in stealth, then shoot the rest of them in an extremely manageable and quick way. You don't have any downtime in that situation, and you can't really consider the ability valuable if you never use it while waiting to get the most perfect value out of it. If it's just sitting there it is in fact useless, mash that poo poo, especially if you have the cooldown perks. A Hand Cannon revolver can kill a crusher in 2-3 headshots. Same for shooting Maulers in the chest. That's what I use. Activating the charge ability mid-eviscerator special will also cause the attack to one shot a Crusher.
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I'm not arguing against the stealth zealot things, more power to you. It just doesn't feel like it plays out that way in my games. The crusher pack example? Why not use chorus and stagger the pack for the whole team to prime their anti armor abilities. Everytime there's a sick stealth clutch it feels like we could have just chorused and the whole team finish the encounter at 100%
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Tildryn posted:A Hand Cannon revolver can kill a crusher in 2-3 headshots. Same for shooting Maulers in the chest. That's what I use. Activating the charge ability mid-eviscerator special will also cause the attack to one shot a Crusher. Okay true. I haven't used a revolver in months and figured the nerf would have messed with that too much. And I need to try the new eviscerator again, that was one thing I found that felt nice in particular Shuka posted:I'm not arguing against the stealth zealot things, more power to you. It just doesn't feel like it plays out that way in my games. Just for me personally, I just got tired of times where I use chorus, but the team was so distracted with a horde that they tunnel vision on them instead of looking around for currently highlighted targets. I have charge and stealth on most of my load outs nowadays
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like a lot of the game, terrible audio cues. the pulse woosh sound is so nondescript
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Homeless Friend posted:like a lot of the game, terrible audio cues. the pulse woosh sound is so nondescript I didn't even think about that, and thinking about it now, it really is just looking down to the left and seeing toughness go up to +100 yellow toughness that's the biggest cue, other than like staggering plague ogryns or chaos spawn. I guess you really can't blame the team for that, maybe I'm just too impatient
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I used to exclusively use Chorus, and the only reason I changed to the charge is because Chorus has a really bad habit of not activating when I push the button. It's resulted in me being killed or heavily damaged on many occasions. The charge has been a lot more responsive.
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Chorus will fail to activate if you are stunned because of a hit or toughness breaking, you want to bring it out before you start taking health damage.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Chorus will fail to activate if you are stunned because of a hit or toughness breaking, you want to bring it out before you start taking health damage. Very possibly it was the result of stuns (though I didn't feel stunned at the time), these days I always run the stun immunity so it'd likely be more reliable if that were the case.
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Tildryn posted:I used to exclusively use Chorus, and the only reason I changed to the charge is because Chorus has a really bad habit of not activating when I push the button. It's resulted in me being killed or heavily damaged on many occasions. The charge has been a lot more responsive. I have a weird issue with not being able to activate psyker shield if I swung the dueling sword in the last second or so, like there’s some nonfunctional followup animation after a swing that’s bugged to prevent “canceling” it into shield Fishstick posted:Can't fault em for tryin, I guess Good god lol
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I've noticed recently that things like weapon swapping -> attack/block seems to be delayed/busted. I can't help but wonder if it's related to people trying to be cheeky. Numerous times now I've had my melee out, try to switch to ranged maybe mid swing or block, and then fire quickly, only to have my weapon swap back to melee and not fire my ranged weapon.
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Owl Inspector posted:I have a weird issue with not being able to activate psyker shield if I swung the dueling sword in the last second or so, like there’s some nonfunctional followup animation after a swing that’s bugged to prevent “canceling” it into shield I've had issues triggering bubble shield sometimes too unless I make very sure I'm not trying to do it mid-swing as well. Definitely seems a lot more "finnicky" to use than, say, Shriek
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