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OwlFancier posted:I think people are unlikely to side with Israel for "anti imperialist" reasons like some people do with Russia because Israel is best mates with all of the shithead western imperialist powers, so there's no contrarian position to take there. The neo nazis probably aren't going to bat for them because they're antisemitic, and I don't think there is much for otherwise unaligned people to attach to either. So you're left with a particular strain of interventionist liberal/neocon who occupy a disproportionate amount of the government but which I don't think exist much outside it. Honestly, a fair amount of neonazis are quite comfortable with Israel. After all, it's an ethnostate who openly campaigns for the diaspora to move there, moving "them" from "here" to "over there", which vibes well with their aims. Plus added bonus of murdering lots of Arabs, who the contemporary far right hate more than Jews.
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Dec 29, 2023 00:58
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forkboy84 posted:Honestly, a fair amount of neonazis are quite comfortable with Israel. After all, it's an ethnostate who openly campaigns for the diaspora to move there, moving "them" from "here" to "over there", which vibes well with their aims. Plus added bonus of murdering lots of Arabs, who the contemporary far right hate more than Jews. Some of them are yeah but I still think it's likely to be less uniform than support for Russia.
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Dec 29, 2023 01:02
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OwlFancier posted:Some of them are yeah but I still think it's likely to be less uniform than support for Russia. I dunno about that, plenty of fascists supporting Ukraine too. Far right ultranationalists really have their pick in that conflict, cunts all over the shop.
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Dec 29, 2023 01:07
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i dont think theres enough actual fascists to cover all the fascists you seem to need to support all these different conspiracy theories.
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Dec 29, 2023 01:12
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NotJustANumber99 posted:i dont think theres enough actual fascists to cover all the fascists you seem to need to support all these different conspiracy theories. Have you done a census or something
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Dec 29, 2023 01:26
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NotJustANumber99 posted:i dont think theres enough actual fascists to cover all the fascists you seem to need to support all these different conspiracy theories. How many fascists do you think there are in the UK? In 2010 the BNP managed over 10,000 members, and that's dues paying members, not just voters. In that year's general election they got a nationwide vote of 563,743. Which is a pretty big number even if I'd not argue everyone who voted for them was a fascist so much as pig-ignorant
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Dec 29, 2023 01:32
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That would seem to be just basically all the misguided parents of everyone in the thread that posts about how their parents need reeducation.
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Dec 29, 2023 01:37
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That's what most fascists are. Just people who think things would be better if their lovely prejudices were upheld by the government.
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Dec 29, 2023 01:42
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NotJustANumber99 posted:That would seem to be just basically all the misguided parents of everyone in the thread that posts about how their parents need reeducation. How many parents do you think a couple of dozen regular posters each have?
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Dec 29, 2023 01:45
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so fascists are just vaguely ok people with the wrong end of the stick that we should talk out of their silly ideas?
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Dec 29, 2023 01:47
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NotJustANumber99 posted:so fascists are just vaguely ok people with the wrong end of the stick that we should talk out of their silly ideas? Fascists for the most part are people who are not OK in unremarkable and common ways, who when presented with the right kind of institutional support, will happily turn in their neighbours to the gestapo because they always knew they were the wrong sort, or they'd quite like to take over their business, or for any number of petty little reasons. The only thing that stops them from from doing that now is they don't have a government offering them it.
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Dec 29, 2023 01:51
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forkboy84 posted:How many fascists do you think there are in the UK? In 2010 the BNP managed over 10,000 members, and that's dues paying members, not just voters. In that year's general election they got a nationwide vote of 563,743. Which is a pretty big number even if I'd not argue everyone who voted for them was a fascist so much as pig-ignorant I think it’s safe to say that anyone who voted for the BNP, whatever their stated reasoning, is definitely a fascist.
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Dec 29, 2023 08:40
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kingturnip posted:Basically every street around where I work has a Palestinian flag As someone who is both, the only reason you'd find it intimidating is the belief that if Palestine would be free, they'd do to Israel what Israel is currently doing to them, and subsequently that once there is no Israel every other country on earth is going to immediately go mask off and put up Auschwitz 2. I can't really argue with being afraid of that 2nd part given the massive rightward shift of global politics recently, and I suspect that most Jews arrive at these fears via propaganda anyway, but the first bit is really inexcusable either way.
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Dec 29, 2023 09:04
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Gonzo McFee posted:"The Jews are a creative people" is something undermined by the whole of Israel producing absolutely nothing of any artistic value in it's existence but Quake maps to claim are under hospitals. Errr
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Dec 29, 2023 09:37
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Struggling children are ‘products of crap parents’, Tory MP claimsquote:A Conservative MP has sparked outrage after saying children who struggle are the “products of crap parents”.
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Dec 29, 2023 10:31
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I wonder what he means by stability as contrasted with "left" financial stability. Maybe someone from Serco comes round your house with a spirit level
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Dec 29, 2023 10:41
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Wachter posted:I wonder what he means by stability as contrasted with "left" financial stability. Maybe someone from Serco comes round your house with a spirit level The "stability" of a vigorously enforced heteronormative nuclear family with strong traditional gender roles. As opposed to the "stability" of dependable and accessible public services, good housing provision with strong tenancy rights, free education at all levels, good job security, a functional welfare system, communities not dependant on the whims and interests of a handful of large multinationals and so on.
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Dec 29, 2023 10:55
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My "not a strange right-wing sect" T-shirt etc...
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Dec 29, 2023 10:57
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Make your mind up mate, do us lefties just want to throw good money after bad in a feckless orgy of spending, or are we dangerous radicals trying to undermine or overthrow the basis of society?
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Dec 29, 2023 10:57
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BalloonFish posted:The "stability" of a vigorously enforced heteronormative nuclear family with strong traditional gender roles. Yeah, mum stays home and looks after the kids and the house while dad works a job that pays enough to support them. If they're not doing that it's because they're lazy and crap and why should the government support them in that? Work harder! Bootstraps, people!
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Dec 29, 2023 11:02
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Runcible Cat posted:Yeah, mum stays home and looks after the kids and the house while dad works a job that pays enough to support them. If they're not doing that it's because they're lazy and crap and why should the government support them in that? Work harder! Bootstraps, people! It also means that capitalism can enjoy all the instability that it thrives on - innovation, disruption, automation, interchangeable human labour, population movement and so on - while throwing all the responsibility to deal with the negative sides onto the family unit. It's not society's job to provide stability, and it's certainly not the government's. That's the role (indeed, in this view, the purpose) of the Family. So what if Dad's lost his job with immediate effect because he was too ill to go in one day? Buck up and Be Stable For The Kids.
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Dec 29, 2023 11:26
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But doing literally anything will cost money - even if it's nasty poo poo like enforcement action against these so-called 'crap parents' or taking kids into care. Usual nonsense from a standard right wing oval office.
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Dec 29, 2023 11:33
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Ms Adequate posted:Make your mind up mate, do us lefties just want to throw good money after bad in a feckless orgy of spending, or are we dangerous radicals trying to undermine or overthrow the basis of society? Obviously these are the same thing. People, kids included, need to learn Values, Morals and the Joy From a Job Well Done, No Matter What. We can't have people lounging about at home (unless they're heirs to stupid fortunes), they should be out there picking up twigs so they can build a local schoolhouse, for their local kids, in their local community. Etc.
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Dec 29, 2023 11:35
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Bury is THE most marginal seat in all of England, he only won it with 105 votes. So he knows hes not going to win it again, so doesn't give a poo poo. He's trying to get the next pay day, be it a few appearances on GBeebies or dinner speeches to gammons.
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Dec 29, 2023 12:05
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We recognise that the increasing number of crap kids is a problem. We've also confidently identified that the cause is crap parents. But if we do anything to fix it, it'll be woke
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Dec 29, 2023 12:11
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Important to note that his faction “New Conservatives” has been setup by two swivel eyed extremist fundamentalist Christian whackjobs who want a full on Handmaids Tale version of Toryism.
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Dec 29, 2023 14:12
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Dec 29, 2023 14:27
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smellmycheese posted:Important to note that his faction “New Conservatives” has been setup by two swivel eyed extremist fundamentalist Christian whackjobs who want a full on Handmaids Tale version of Toryism. 
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Dec 29, 2023 14:36
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Ah yes, two small boxes of chocolates from a conservative MP who voted against *checks notes* trade unions, higher taxes on banks and corporations, equality and human rights, making tax avoidance harder, better public service and civil service pay and retirement rights, the right to remain for EU spouses and literally everything else most frontline care workers believe in. That'll loving fix it. Jesus. It's so low effort and poo poo it's just...is it designed to drive engagement / rage bait? What the hell. Mebh fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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Dec 29, 2023 14:40
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The local food bank must have told her to gently caress off.
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Dec 29, 2023 14:46
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They’re absolutely regifts
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Dec 29, 2023 14:55
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Nice to see even tho she has only mention replies on she's still getting bodied in the comments.
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Dec 29, 2023 16:19
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It gives the impression that she just posed with the same two boxes of chocolates each time rather than actually giving them out.
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Dec 29, 2023 16:57
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https://www.costco.co.uk/Grocery-Household/Grocery-Delivery/Lindt-Lindor-Milk-Chocolate-and-Assorted-Chocolate-Truffles-4-x-200g/p/115327A
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Dec 29, 2023 16:59
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You've all got it wrong. She left the chocolates in the street so the peasantry can fight over them.
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Dec 29, 2023 17:02
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You've all got it wrong. She scattered the chocolates in the street so the peasantry can fight over them.
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Dec 29, 2023 17:05
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Mebh posted:Ah yes, two small boxes of chocolates from a conservative MP who voted against *checks notes* trade unions, higher taxes on banks and corporations, equality and human rights, making tax avoidance harder, better public service and civil service pay and retirement rights, the right to remain for EU spouses and literally everything else most frontline care workers believe in. and she'll have put them on the expenses claim, op
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Dec 29, 2023 17:12
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You've all got it wrong. She left the chocolates in the street so the peasantry can fight over them.  She took them home and ate the chocolates herself
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Dec 29, 2023 17:20
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OwlFancier posted:Fascists for the most part are people who are not OK in unremarkable and common ways, who when presented with the right kind of institutional support, will happily turn in their neighbours to the gestapo because they always knew they were the wrong sort, or they'd quite like to take over their business, or for any number of petty little reasons. See: Paddington (2014)
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Dec 29, 2023 17:24
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You've all got it wrong. She left the chocolates in the street so the peasantry can fight over them. A Tory...giving something to the poor? Are you sure about that?
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