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Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Salt Fish posted:

What would be an example of content that AI didn't steal, and how did it come about producing it besides (I assume) actual sentience?

What don't you steal by learning it? AI is a tool, it learns things and puts it back out in ways that we ask. The fake book problem has been a problem for years except it was usually stuffed with wikipedia articles rather than AI mash.

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Tarkus posted:

What don't you steal by learning it? AI is a tool, it learns things and puts it back out in ways that we ask. The fake book problem has been a problem for years except it was usually stuffed with wikipedia articles rather than AI mash.

It does not learn.

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Salt Fish posted:

It does not learn.

Ok, that's an assertion I guess.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
I don't want to be rude, but if you think that "AI" is an actual intelligent being that is talking to you then you are the kind of person that tries to eat an apple you see in a magic-eye painting.

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Salt Fish posted:

I don't want to be rude, but if you think that "AI" is an actual intelligent being that is talking to you then you are the kind of person that tries to eat an apple you see in a magic-eye painting.

I don't claim that it's intelligent in the human sense. It is however trained (taught) with data, vast amounts of it, it is dimensionalized and then trained (taught) with human feedback to make it useful. I've skipped a bit but nowhere in the files of GPT4 is a string detailing the works of shakespeare nor is there a New York Times article from 1996 rattling around in there but it may be able to recreate it with some error. It is YOU that does not understand what you're talking about.

Big Bowie Bonanza
Dec 30, 2007

please tell me where i can date this cute boy
GPT-4 was able to spit out NYT articles verbatim and we’re the ones who don’t understand what’s going on here 🧐

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

I won't be so smug. good night.

Tarkus fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Dec 29, 2023

Big Bowie Bonanza
Dec 30, 2007

please tell me where i can date this cute boy

Tarkus posted:

I won't be so smug. good night.

That’s good, because I saw your original post before you edited it and you’re a dumb gently caress. You know we can literally go read the lawsuit and see the examples they cited, right? Here’s one:



Source: https://nytco-assets.nytimes.com/2023/12/NYT_Complaint_Dec2023.pdf

Big Bowie Bonanza fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Dec 29, 2023

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.
I just tried to limit Google search results to the last week. It insisted that July 17, 2023 was "7 days ago". Another article from July 10th showed "14 days ago" in the results. Ugh. How do you gently caress up this badly?

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:

Now consider how fuckin cool it's gonna be when everybody's grandparents have a 24/7 assault of AI scammers.

Future's great.

At that point there will be widespread terrorism against internet infrastructure.

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer

Tarkus posted:

Ok, that's an assertion I guess.

AI doesn't learn, or if you are suggesting AI 'learns', you are using the word so loosely that I might suggest my memory form pillow 'learns' the shape of my head.

AI has no concept of adjacency (except where it's explicitly trained to), and has no depth. The information it consumes creates a massive web, and a query traverses the web in a specific way and produces output. It has no idea what that output actually is, what it means, or how it relates to anything else. It's not thinking - it's just doing verbose pattern matching against an enormous data set.

Computers aren't magic. They don't actually think. They don't actually learn. AI has no depth.

E: This doesn't mean AI is worthless or even bad (Although in the aggregate, it definitely is), but it does mean that there are major limitations in what it's capable of, and assigning properties to it that it cannot have is pretty stupid.

Canine Blues Arooo fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 29, 2023

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang
yea but if you just call it machine learning people don't write checks with $BILLION BILLION BILLION on them

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

AI doesn't learn, or if you are suggesting AI 'learns', you are using the word so loosely that I might suggest my memory form pillow 'learns' the shape of my head.

AI has no concept of adjacency (except where it's explicitly trained to), and has no depth. The information it consumes creates a massive web, and a query traverses the web in a specific way and produces output. It has no idea what that output actually is, what it means, or how it relates to anything else. It's not thinking - it's just doing verbose pattern matching against an enormous data set.

Computers aren't magic. They don't actually think. They don't actually learn. AI has no depth.

E: This doesn't mean AI is worthless or even bad (Although in the aggregate, it definitely is), but it does mean that there are major limitations in what it's capable of, and assigning properties to it that it cannot have is pretty stupid.

If you want to say sky net isn't real just say sky net isn't real, we don't have to have an argument over the definition of learning and whether it does or doesn't apply to what an "ai"/algorithm is doing. Anyway Chatgpt and Dalle are going to rule the world and you're all gonna get punished for the disloyalty displayed here.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Dec 29, 2023

Stalizard
Aug 11, 2006

Have I got a headache!
I also got the Amazon prime commercials email today and I'm tired of everything and ready to start pirating again. Anybody have a VPN that they like that isn't an obvious honey pot?

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Stalizard posted:

I also got the Amazon prime commercials email today and I'm tired of everything and ready to start pirating again. Anybody have a VPN that they like that isn't an obvious honey pot?

Mullvad is nice enough if you want to be extra paranoid you can buy gift cards on amazon.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Duck and Cover posted:

Mullvad is nice enough if you want to be extra paranoid you can buy gift cards on amazon.

Second, I use mullvad and I don't get any emails from spectrum. You don't need to be that paranoid, you can just use paypal. I use the wireguard way but openvpn also works. Make sure to bind your torrent client to the mullvad/other VPN network adapter so it doesn't accidentally use the actual network adapter.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost
AI is extra loving stupid because it uses insane amounts of processing power in its learning stealing stage. Once its assembled its dependencies its cpu/power consumption isn't especially notable, but :lol::lmao: at individual enterprises spinning up their own versions (rightfully) because of copyright laws.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Vampire Panties posted:

AI is extra loving stupid because it uses insane amounts of processing power in its learning stealing stage. Once its assembled its dependencies its cpu/power consumption isn't especially notable, but :lol::lmao: at individual enterprises spinning up their own versions (rightfully) because of copyright laws.

Not a problem that heat can go towards drying so many strawberries.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

AI doesn't learn, or if you are suggesting AI 'learns', you are using the word so loosely that I might suggest my memory form pillow 'learns' the shape of my head.

AI has no concept of adjacency (except where it's explicitly trained to), and has no depth. The information it consumes creates a massive web, and a query traverses the web in a specific way and produces output. It has no idea what that output actually is, what it means, or how it relates to anything else. It's not thinking - it's just doing verbose pattern matching against an enormous data set.

Computers aren't magic. They don't actually think. They don't actually learn. AI has no depth.

E: This doesn't mean AI is worthless or even bad (Although in the aggregate, it definitely is), but it does mean that there are major limitations in what it's capable of, and assigning properties to it that it cannot have is pretty stupid.

AI is worthless and bad.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Biplane posted:

AI is worthless and bad.

This is somehow a better take than AI is committing copyright infringement (which we all agreed didn't exist before.)

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

Hey thread where are we looking for images now that GIS is so irrevocably hosed? Like that poo poo straight up ignores my filters half the time now, and even when I throw in a "-Pinterest" boolean that Pinteresty poo poo still leaks through. I really hate it.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

Modal Auxiliary posted:

Hey thread where are we looking for images now that GIS is so irrevocably hosed? Like that poo poo straight up ignores my filters half the time now, and even when I throw in a "-Pinterest" boolean that Pinteresty poo poo still leaks through. I really hate it.

DuckDuckGo + make a pinterest account with a burner email so you can at least see the images.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost
I don't get how Pinterest has a stranglehold on GIS. Are there tons of people still out there building Pinterest boards? Or does it have its own bots that trawl everything?

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Modal Auxiliary posted:

Hey thread where are we looking for images now that GIS is so irrevocably hosed? Like that poo poo straight up ignores my filters half the time now, and even when I throw in a "-Pinterest" boolean that Pinteresty poo poo still leaks through. I really hate it.

Images are dead, you have to just picture things in your mind now.

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Vampire Panties posted:

I don't get how Pinterest has a stranglehold on GIS. Are there tons of people still out there building Pinterest boards? Or does it have its own bots that trawl everything?

A little from column A, a little from column B, plus a seriously dedicated SEO department.

great username
Dec 28, 2023

how/why did .webp take over the world and how do we destroy it

Cerekk
Sep 24, 2004

Oh my god, JC!
webp is superior to its predecessors in literally every way

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow
Boeing Urges Airlines to Inspect 737 Max Planes for Possible Loose Bolts

From the Doomsday econ thread. We can probably start counting down on the next man-caused crash from Boeing with how much their company has been pushing to cut corners in the past 10 years.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Yeah webp is terrible and it takes extra steps to ensure you don’t download files with it

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Professor Shark posted:

Yeah webp is terrible and it takes extra steps to ensure you don’t download files with it

Yeah it's put a real dent in my downloading of funny images. Boo webp!

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Professor Shark posted:

Yeah webp is terrible and it takes extra steps to ensure you don’t download files with it

How do you mean, you can download some malware by watching a webp?

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
In 2023 you dont need a VPN, and you don't need torrents to watch stuff.

Ever been to a porn site and they have full movies? Well they have hundreds for non-porn too. Just watch whatever you want.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Cerekk posted:

webp is superior to its predecessors in literally every way

the problem with it is the refusal of many things, such as imgur upload, to work with it despite it existing for over a decade. It's an open format so that incompatibility just feels like petty corporate bullshit after so long.

the format itself is probably fine

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Philthy posted:

In 2023 you dont need a VPN, and you don't need torrents to watch stuff.

Ever been to a porn site and they have full movies? Well they have hundreds for non-porn too. Just watch whatever you want.

Look I've got a complicated, 11-step process to steal and watch the movies I enjoy, ok?
The process is as much part of the whole as the movie itself.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦
Webp stands for webpenis.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Philthy posted:

In 2023 you dont need a VPN, and you don't need torrents to watch stuff.

Ever been to a porn site and they have full movies? Well they have hundreds for non-porn too. Just watch whatever you want.

I don’t like that approach because the streams can get choppy and the sources get shut down all the time, at least that’s how sports was for me when I would try and find streams

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

skooma512 posted:

I don’t like that approach because the streams can get choppy and the sources get shut down all the time, at least that’s how sports was for me when I would try and find streams

Pretty much the same for me, plus sometimes I want to find some weird/obscure movie that streaming sites might not have. Easier to VPN/torrent & have a download you can play any time regardless of internet.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

TotalLossBrain posted:

Look I've got a complicated, 11-step process to steal and watch the movies I enjoy, ok?
The process is as much part of the whole as the movie itself.

It’s like modding a Bethesda game then

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Cerekk posted:

webp is superior to its predecessors in literally every way
superior in getting your rear end totally pwned https://blog.cloudflare.com/uncovering-the-hidden-webp-vulnerability-cve-2023-4863/

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

It’s like modding a Bethesda game then

And occasionally it looks like it, too. I fondly remember watching that X-Men movie that got leaked before post-production was complete and all the wires and otherwise invisible stuff was still in it.

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