[Europe] we hebben een serieus probleem

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bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

my dad posted:

I'm still not sure how to feel about one of my fellow Dominions 6 playtesters being a guy who used to commission chibi art from Ben Garrison

you need to post the art. pronto.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 03:46

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 11:25

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Wikipedia posted:

Modern history
Appenzell Innerrhoden was the last canton in Switzerland to grant women the right to vote on local issues, being forced to do so only in 1990 when two women from Appenzell filed a lawsuit in the Swiss Federal Court and won. A centuries-old law forbidding women to vote was changed in 1991, when Switzerland's federal court ordered the canton to grant women the right to vote.[7]

Appenzell Innerrhoden was the canton with the smallest percentage of approval votes (at 50.8% compared to the Swiss-wide average of 64.1%) in the "Marriage for All" referendum completed on 26 September 2021, making it the most hesitant canton for equal marriage for gay and lesbian citizens.[8][9]

# ? Dec 28, 2023 03:51

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Horseshoe theory posted:

quote:
Modern history
Appenzell Innerrhoden was the last canton in Switzerland to grant women the right to vote on local issues, being forced to do so only in 1990 when two women from Appenzell filed a lawsuit in the Swiss Federal Court and won. A centuries-old law forbidding women to vote was changed in 1991, when Switzerland's federal court ordered the canton to grant women the right to vote.[7]

Appenzell Innerrhoden was the canton with the smallest percentage of approval votes (at 50.8% compared to the Swiss-wide average of 64.1%) in the "Marriage for All" referendum completed on 26 September 2021, making it the most hesitant canton for equal marriage for gay and lesbian citizens.[8][9]

drat, lesbians can no longer get innerrhoden pretend they don't want to get married because of the law.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 05:29

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

I think you're all ignoring the far crazier fact about Switzerland, which is that you're not allowed to vote if you're gay.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 06:58

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

AnimeIsTrash posted:

very ironic since the dutch are a type of turk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liever_Turks_dan_Paaps

For further lolworthy context, Wilders is from the Catholic south of the country.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 08:53

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Orange Devil posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liever_Turks_dan_Paaps

For further lolworthy context, Wilders is from the Catholic south of the country.

the Greek Orthodox living in the Ottoman Empire expressed the same sentiment many times. the Catholics would have murdered them all if they could.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 08:56

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Calvino-Turcismus was the Judeo-Bolshevism of the time.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 09:15

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Calvino-Turcismus was the Judeo-Bolshevism of the time.

there was this guy Cyril Lucaris

Cyril Lucaris, Patriarch of Constantinople (born Nov. 13, 1572, Crete�died June 27, 1638, aboard a ship in the Bosphorus) posted:

l If I die, I wish you able to testify that I die an Orthodox Catholic, in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, as contained in the Confessio Belgica, in my own Confession, and in all Confessions of the Evangelical Churches, which are all alike. I hold in abomination the errors of the Papists and the superstitions of the Greeks; I approve and embrace the doctrine of the most excellent teacher John Calvin and of all who agree with him.

quote:

Lucaris was several times temporarily deposed and banished at the instigation of both his Orthodox opponents and the Catholic French and Austrian ambassadors,[6] while he was supported by the Protestant Dutch and English ambassadors to the Ottoman capital. Finally, when the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV was about to set out for the Persian War, the Patriarch was accused of a design to stir up the Cossacks, and to avoid trouble during his absence the Sultan had him strangled[19] by the Janissaries on 27 June 1638 aboard a ship in the Bosporus.[6] His body was thrown into the sea, but it was recovered and buried at a distance from the capital by his friends, and only brought back to Constantinople after many years.[6]

# ? Dec 28, 2023 09:25

Falukorv: Jun 23, 2013; A funny little mouse!

remember a similar saying from the (Lutheran) Saxon elector at the time, papists before calvinists. who can blame him

# ? Dec 28, 2023 16:21

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/kos_data/status/1740120766144741863

# ? Dec 28, 2023 22:15

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

lol

# ? Dec 29, 2023 14:53

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

reminds me of these guys. are these people and fascists are all that's left in europe

mila kunis posted:

on a lighthearted note this was a really fun read. it turns out when you can't let go out of anti-communism and liberalism fails to work you get ten thousand political parties of rear end showing incoherent five star movements of hope and change everywhere: https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/leftovers

The 11 July snap election in Bulgaria may ultimately be remembered for its turnout rate, which fell to an all-time low of 42%. Much of the post-election debate revolved around the reasons for this figure. Some blamed the new electronic-voting machines, which supposedly scared off the elderly and less educated; others claimed that people were unwilling to vote during the summer vacation, especially since the outcome was entirely predictable. Only a few observers on the left suggested that the country�s consistently dwindling voter participation might have something to do with the lack of alternatives on the ballot.

[...]

Today, the nominally social-democratic BSP is facing a crisis similar to that of centre-left parties in the rest of Europe. Voters resent it for the right-wing measures enacted in the late 2000s, including the introduction of a 10% flat tax. They were also repelled by its decision to appoint the media tycoon Delyan Peevski as head of the National Security Agency in 2013. Since its return to opposition, the BSP has failed to highlight the contiguity between neoliberal reforms and rampant corruption. Instead, it has opted for handwringing over the loss of the �traditional Bulgarian family�, quixotic denunciations of �genderism�, and support for GERB�s nationalist campaign against Northern Macedonia. As a result, the BSP�s voter base has abandoned it in droves. Its working-class support fell to just 44% in the last election, compared to over 65% for all other parliamentary parties.

[...]

Amid the terminal decline of Bulgarian socialism, the country�s politics are now defined by the fault line between �protest parties� and �the establishment�, pitting new and not-so-new smaller parties against the bloc composed of GERB, the BSP and the DPS (which claims to represent Bulgaria�s Muslim minority). Given Bulgaria�s status as the poorest, most unequal country in the EU � with swathes of its population lost to outward migration � one might assume that the field would be wide open for a left-leaning social-democratic opposition. But this prospect has largely been eclipsed by the dominance of �anti-corruption� discourse, which overrides all other concerns.

[...]

Izpravi se, Mutri Vun (�Stand Up, Thugs Out!�), a centre-left grouping led by the charismatic former ombudswoman Maia Manolova, got just 5% of the vote, roughly the same as its share in April. Democratic Bulgaria (DB), the liberal�green coalition, won 13%: a slight increase from the last election. The outlook was somewhat better for the populist Ima Takuv Narod (�There Is Such a People�, ITN), led by the popular folk-rock singer and TV talk-show host Slavi Trifonov, which rose to 24%. All three organisations came to prominence last spring through an effective PR campaign that sought to expose GERB as morally and institutionally corrupt. They organised live-streamed hearings in parliamentary committees to investigate accusations of graft by Borissov�s top officials. These weeks-long sessions, presided over by Manolova, made for highly entertaining primetime television, featuring testimonies of shady businessmen who claimed to have been extorted by government ministers.

[...]

Its membership includes former BSP activists and participants in the recent protests. Yet even Manolova tries to avoid the appearance of progressive politics, describing herself as �neither left nor right�. The DB�s Hristo Ivanov has also cultivated an apolitical vocabulary around state capture and judicial reform � issues thought to transcend traditional political divisions

[...]

Bulgaria�s most important political actor following the July ballot � catapulted into the strongest position to form a government � is ITN. Though the party ran in parliamentary elections for the first time in 2021, Slavi Trifonov has arguably been building up its base since the 1990s. His music group, The Ku-Ku Band, has been one of the most popular acts for the past thirty years. Their patriotic songs were the soundtrack to the anti-communist movements of early 90s, and their current popularity can partly be attributed to nostalgia for the optimism of that period. The Bulgarian diaspora, many of whom tune into Trifonov�s talk show and turn out to see The Ku-Ku Band on tour, voted for ITN in large numbers. The party won 45% of the vote in Germany, and over 50% in the UK and Spain.

[...]

ITN representatives embrace the �populist� label, comparing themselves to Italy�s Five Star Movement, Ukraine�s Volodymyr Zelensky and even Trump. The leaders refuse to be referred to as �politicians� and style themselves as ordinary workers employed by the people. Their party is not a �party� but a �political project�. Like the Italian M5S, they promise to introduce direct democracy mechanisms including frequent referendums. They are heavily reliant on social media and private broadcasting channels, which allow them to skirt public scrutiny.

[...]

One of ITN�s few definitive political commitments is to reduce taxpayer subsidies for political parties: a reform which Trifonov tried to pass via a public referendum several years ago. Whether this would aid Bulgarian democracy is questionable, as subsidies are currently the only mechanism to transparently fund political activities given the parties� low membership numbers. In general, ITN has maintained a remarkable silence on most major issues beyond electoral reform (again rejecting the left�right axis as outdated). It would not even offer an unqualified endorsement of the Covid-19 vaccine programme, asserting that the public should hear �all points of view� on the question of vaccine safety. Despite its anti-elite posturing, the party is now proposing a government made up entirely of corporate-technocratic �experts�. The first nominee for Minister of Culture was Stanislava Artmutlieva, the owner of Bulgaria�s largest music distributor, famed for her passionate defence of copyright law. The Ministry of Energy is to be handed over to Krasimir Nenov, the director of a private coal thermal power plant. A Minister for the Environment has not yet been nominated.

[...]

ITN has forecast further public sector redundancies in the coming years under an obscure �digitalisation� agenda. The party has also announced its intention to privatize major highways, along with the last publicly owned Bulgarian Development Bank

[...]

Given the continued dominance of the anti-corruption framework, the best shot for the country�s left is to shift the emphasis onto the structural reasons for widespread corruption � presenting itself as the solution to the causes rather than the symptoms. Otherwise, it risks disappearing off the radar of the popular classes, whose only options will be an �old politics� or a �new populism� with little to differentiate them.

# ? Dec 29, 2023 14:55

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enough_is_Enough_(party)

# ? Dec 29, 2023 14:55

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Enough_is_Enough_(party)

without context, hell yea

# ? Dec 29, 2023 15:11

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Wait, Schauble died? How did we not celebrate?

Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 12:29 on Dec 30, 2023

# ? Dec 30, 2023 12:13

Mr SuperAwesome: Apr 6, 2011; im from the bad post police, and i'm afraid i have bad news

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I think you're all ignoring the far crazier fact about Switzerland, which is that you're not allowed to vote if you're gay.

wait, what?

# ? Dec 30, 2023 14:09

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

I only see in the constitution a mention for mental illness or mental incapacity, unless homosexuality falls under the former scope I don't see anything else about it

# ? Dec 30, 2023 20:38

Bk.: Nov 9, 2009

Putting the Hoden in Appenzell Innerrhoden lmao

Always fun* to have my distrust of krauts and semi-krauts validated

*it actually sucks but whatever

# ? Dec 31, 2023 15:51

webcams for christ: Nov 2, 2005

expecting bad things from Sylvester Celebrations + Israel Solidarity Demo in Neuk�lln + German Policing + Ban on Palestinian Solidarity Rallies today

# ? Dec 31, 2023 16:21

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Honest Thief posted:

I only see in the constitution a mention for mental illness or mental incapacity, unless homosexuality falls under the former scope I don't see anything else about it

Look up their citizenship laws.

# ? Dec 31, 2023 16:42

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Look up their citizenship laws.

can you give me an article # or smth? I'm going through their site but I dunno what im supposed to searching for, I assume it's not spelled out like you said and instead some legal loophole?

Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 16:49 on Dec 31, 2023

# ? Dec 31, 2023 16:46

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Honest Thief posted:

can you give me an article # or smth? I'm going through their site but I dunno what im supposed to searching for, I assume it's not spelled out like you said and instead some legal loophole?

no, because i made it all up

# ? Dec 31, 2023 17:11

webcams for christ: Nov 2, 2005

were you not joking? The naturalization process carries by Canton, but discrimination based on sexual orientation is criminalized nationwide as of 2020. I'm not aware of any recent denial of naturalization due to sexual orientation.

Still a long ways to go for Trans Rights.

e: yeah it was a joke like I thought

# ? Dec 31, 2023 17:16

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

A Buttery Pastry posted:

no, because i made it all up

rude

# ? Dec 31, 2023 17:22

Grimnarsson: Sep 4, 2018

It's all made up.

# ? Dec 31, 2023 17:30

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

switzerland doesn't actually exist, open your eyes sheeple

# ? Dec 31, 2023 17:47

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

danish queen just abdicated, very important brews

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:20

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Carthag Tuek posted:

danish queen just abdicated, very important brews

they stanned a queen. and this is how she repays them?

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:22

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

mawarannahr posted:

they stanned a queen. and this is how she repays them?

Don't all the non-UK monarchs abdicate nowadays after like 50 years while Queen Brenda pulled an RBG and croaked in office? :thunk:

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:26

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

wilders truss speedrun

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:32

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

to a real one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu8rNMr9RTI

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:45

Grimnarsson: Sep 4, 2018

What is that the Clintons not inhaling?

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:46

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Grimnarsson posted:

What is that the Clintons not inhaling?

That's the Queen and the late Prince Consort smoking it up.

It's just tobacco, sadly.

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:48

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

SplitSoul posted:

That's the Queen and the late Prince Consort smoking it up.

It's just tobacco, sadly.

do daniards smoke a lot?

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:49

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

mawarannahr posted:

do daniards smoke a lot?

She used to smoke like a chimney at least.

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:51

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

She has teeth like George Washington

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:53

Grimnarsson: Sep 4, 2018

SplitSoul posted:

She used to smoke like a chimney at least.

# ? Dec 31, 2023 18:57

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Horseshoe theory posted:

Don't all the non-UK monarchs abdicate nowadays after like 50 years while Queen Brenda pulled an RBG and croaked in office?

apparently the first time a danish monarch has done it voluntarily

either way i guessed it before Ulla Terkelsen did :cool:

# ? Dec 31, 2023 19:17

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

SplitSoul posted:

She used to smoke like a chimney at least.

cigarettes and hot dogs are the key to a long life

Horseshoe theory posted:

Don't all the non-UK monarchs abdicate nowadays after like 50 years while Queen Brenda pulled an RBG and croaked in office?

she waited until she had the record for longest reign in denmark, which she got in july last year.

# ? Dec 31, 2023 22:51

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 11:25

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mawarannahr posted:

do daniards smoke a lot?

compared to the rest of scandinavia at least
but that doesnt say that much since swedes smoke the least in the world
(which is very good for me, im very sensitive to cigarette smoke)

# ? Dec 31, 2023 23:04

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