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AlphaKeny1
Feb 17, 2006

Mix. posted:

the headphones were an actual real audiotechnica model you could buy back when the original game first released, but from personal experience (still own the pair somewhere in a box somewhere) they're a LOT smaller than they looked lmao

Yup I always wanted a pair but was a poor college student at the time. I really hope it gets re-released because I would actually use it.

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

They look like they'd break really easily

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Meowywitch posted:

Very little because the reload remixes aren't good, hope this helps

If you think song quality is actually gonna matter to the target audience of such an item, I've got a bridge to Tatsumi Port Island I'd love to sell you.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

AlphaKeny1 posted:

Yup I always wanted a pair but was a poor college student at the time. I really hope it gets re-released because I would actually use it.

I had them a long time ago...it looked pretty cool but they leaked sound a lot v:v:v

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005


Thanks! Actually not a huge fan of this remix, though can't put my finger on why.

Edit: Kinda applies to most of the new versions actually. I hope it gives you an option to use the originals as well. New versions aren't bad or anything, but just feel kinda off. Part of it is that I don't like the vocalist quite as much.

AlphaKeny1
Feb 17, 2006

Alder posted:

I had them a long time ago...it looked pretty cool but they leaked sound a lot v:v:v

I hope the people around me like my music, because they won't have a choice

Son of a Vondruke!
Aug 3, 2012

More than Star Citizen will ever be.

AlphaKeny1 posted:

I hope the people around me like my music, because they won't have a choice

Better than all the people on the bus who just openly listen to music at max volume from their cellphone's tinny lovely sounding speakers.

Mix.
Jan 24, 2021

Huh? What?


p3 mc be like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMHTQ8r9pQU

Alder
Sep 24, 2013



https://www.tumblr.com/kiwifie/704648237958692864/havent-seen-its-christmas-and-were-in-tartarus

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


https://twitter.com/p_kouhou/status/1738846985816334792

imnotinsane
Jul 19, 2006
Picked up Persona 5 Royal on the switch based on word of mouth and people's end of year reviews, first time playing a game in the series and I got to say the animation, music and style is pretty awesome but man why is everyone making GBS threads on this kid lol.

A child makes a mistake and allegedly assaults some one so now no one even wants to see or deal with him ever? No wonder he becomes some kind of masked vigilante.

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


imnotinsane posted:

Picked up Persona 5 Royal on the switch based on word of mouth and people's end of year reviews, first time playing a game in the series and I got to say the animation, music and style is pretty awesome but man why is everyone making GBS threads on this kid lol.

A child makes a mistake and allegedly assaults some one so now no one even wants to see or deal with him ever? No wonder he becomes some kind of masked vigilante.

1. IIRC, what Shujin knows is just that he has a criminal record for assault. They treat him like a piece of poo poo because literally nobody knows the truth of what he did. They just see; "problem child who was expelled from his old school because he assaulted someone" (or maybe worse depending on far the rumors about what else he could have possibly done spread).

2. Japanese society can be very collectivist and values social harmony, so anyone who rocks the boat and is shown to be a non-contributor to society is gonna get poo poo on for it.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

anakha posted:

1. IIRC, what Shujin knows is just that he has a criminal record for assault. They treat him like a piece of poo poo because literally nobody knows the truth of what he did. They just see; "problem child who was expelled from his old school because he assaulted someone" (or maybe worse depending on far the rumors about what else he could have possibly done spread).

2. Japanese society can be very collectivist and values social harmony, so anyone who rocks the boat and is shown to be a non-contributor to society is gonna get poo poo on for it.

Yeah, you see early on that all anyone really knows is "he was accused of assaulting someone and sent to live with not Notuncle in Bel Air" and they've heard everything from "he went wild and attacked someone" to "he carries knives and guns around."

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
I heard he killed someone.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

He's also dating a teacher, a doctor, a reporter and several students.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

I hear he carries a knife to school! I mean, who does that!?

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

He talks to his desk and stands in alleyways staring at nothing, I bet he's a junkie.

mastajake
Oct 3, 2005

My blade is unBENDING!

For real?

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Don't forget the elephant tusk trafficking.

FUCK SNEEP
Apr 21, 2007




I heard he's been involved in causing mental breakdowns in multiple people

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
He immediately befriended the track fuckup! Like attracts like, you know.

Flair
Apr 5, 2016
I heard he killed a few people

duck trucker
Oct 14, 2017

YOSPOS

I heard he just sleeps on some old crates in a dirty attic

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

NO

DIGNITY

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
By the way (and if you follow the Megaten thread, this will be old news), I've been doing some amateur analysis of new Metaphor info and it's been said to be okay to discuss here, so I'm going to share some screenshots, info, and a few things I've noted.

Firstly, we got some broad lore info, as well as bios of our first five party members.

quote:

A world separate from our own, inhabited by eight tribes.

In this world is a land known as the United Kingdom of Euchronia.

The union, founded by the heroic first king and ruled by a strong royal family that inherited powerful magic, has gradually succumbed to corruption over the years, and is descending into a “virtueless nation” torn apart by inequality and discrimination.

In the vast realm, dangerous animals and mysterious monsters known as “Humans” run rampant, making the lands outside city walls seldom safe. And the assassinations of Euchronia’s prince and king have unleashed further chaos and unrest unto a kingdom now without a ruler.

The Eight Tribes

1. Clemar

A tribe characterized by the horns on each side of their heads. Their physique and physical capabilities are average. They occupy a number of important positions in the royal family and monarchy, and are often considered the central tribe of the kingdom. They themselves tend to subconsciously internalize the sense that this is true.

2. Roussainte

A tribe characterized by their long, protruding ears. With a remarkable physique and physical capabilities, many of them are soldiers or occupy important positions in the military. Many possess a combative nature, fixated on victory versus defeat and seeking to determine the inferiority or superiority of anything and everything.

3. Ichthyia (spelling to be confirmed)

A tribe characterized by the elegant wings on various parts of their bodies. They possess greater intellect than other tribes. Many hold high positions in intellectual labor, such as scholars and clergymen, and many are wealthy. Coupled with their appearance, they are a tribe that is sometimes admired, but as there are also those who tend to look down upon others, they are equally despised.

4. Rogue (spelling to be confirmed)

A tribe characterized by their long lifespan. Some live more than twice the average life expectancy of other tribes. Their aging is unique, with middle and old ages occupying the majority of their lifetime. In traditionally seniority-based positions, they consequently tend to hold higher positions. Their culture emphasizes great value in “passing down” knowledge and purpose.

5. Nydia (spelling to be confirmed)

A tribe characterized by their large eyes and eye color. Despite lacking any particularly extraordinary traits, many are said to be sociable and charismatic. However, their nature is often taken negatively by some, who consider them “untrustworthy smooth talkers” or “weirdos.”

6. Palipas (spelling to be confirmed)

A tribe characterized by their beast-like ears and tail. While physically very strong, their senses are also physical, and they are for better or worse pleasure seekers. While their love for feasting and liveliness, and their carefree cheerfulness can at times be a strength, it can also manifest as an impulsiveness that does not favor deep contemplation. They lack political dominance and are looked down upon by other tribes.

7. Eugief

A tribe characterized by their bat-like wings and ears. Due to their difference in appearance and abilities compared to the humanoid tribes, they are often seen as creepy and discriminated against. For that reason, the majority live life without wealth and are lower in rank among the other tribes. They are generally mild-mannered and cooperative. However, they are not good at making big decisions and tend to hesitate due to their constant concern for others.

8. Mutsutari (spelling to be confirmed)

A tribe characterized by the “third eye” on their foreheads. They are often viewed as strange due to their unique masks and traditional attire. Since they follow their own faith separate from the state religion, they are often persecuted as “heretics” in the mainland, and are somewhat mysterious.

The monstrocities known as "Humans'
Unidentifiable creatures with bizarre appearances unlike any other known animal. Each one harbors a substantial amount of rampant Magra in their systems, prompting them to indiscriminately attack everything around them. While generally unintelligent and aggressive, their biology is a mystery, such as their use of a magic far too advanced for people to easily handle. Their bodies are robust, and the larger ones are capable of annihilating even entire armies.

Some additional context on the "Humans" thing. In Japanese, you can gloss words with extra secondary meanings, one way having a word expressed via kanji to be read via katakana'd English. For "Humans", they use 'ningen', the Japanese word for 'people', but gloss it with 'Homo', as in 'homo sapiens'. 'Homo' is also used in some English-using screenshots, I'll provide one for posterity.



They are also, in a bit of trivia, inspired by the works of Hieronymus Bosch, a fantasy Dutch/Netherlandish painter from the Renaissance era.

Anyway, onto our first protags:

quote:

Hero (CV: Natsuki Hanae)
Together with the fairy, Gallica, he embarks on a journey to lift the deadly curse placed on his childhood friend, the prince of Euchronia.

He is a boy of the Elda tribe, branded a “tainted” people by the state religion who believe the Elda have inherited dangerous and heretical magic. Being so rare among the populous, they are detested and discriminated against throughout the kingdom.

Gallica (CV: Sumire Morohoshi)
Not only a traveling companion, Gallica is the guide who helps the protagonist carry out his mission to save the prince. Although she is too small to participate in battles, her knowledge of magic and ability to sense "magla" (?) is superior to the protagonist due to her fairy nature. She doesn’t mince words, but she is a reassuring ally on his journey.

Strohl (CV: Kensho Ono)
He is a young man of the Clemar tribe who meets the protagonist in the recruitment center for the State Army.

A smart young man with a strong sense of justice, he hails from a noble family. And yet, it seems his circumstances are complicated, as it is rare for a noble to enlist in the army alongside commoners.

Hulkenberg (CV: Saori Hayami)
A knight of the Roussainte tribe and former member of the royal family’s Kingsguard who served by the prince’s side.

Despite her young age, she excelled in the use of various weaponry, and was assigned to the personal guard of the prince. But when the prince was attacked, she failed to protect him and set out to wander, carrying the stigma of this failure in her heart.

Heismay (CV: Akio Otsuka)
A former knight of the Eugief tribe. He has acute perception compared to most others, due in part to the Eugief trait of being sensitive to sound. With an appearance that differs greatly from other tribes, it’s not uncommon for eugiefs to be discriminated against—and it seems Heismay is no exception, his past his own burden to bear.

I'm not too versed in JP VAs, but Akio Otsuka is familiar to me: he's Japanese Solid Snake. So Heismay isn't gonna have a cutesy mascot voice. Come the dub I definitely expect something in the DC Douglas/Keith Silverstein/Patrick Seitz/Jamieson Price range.

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Delineating official info with stuff that, while using official sources, is more speculative and analytical, and may not be true come release.

So, eight tribes. Elda's unique, but our party starts with 3 tribe members in the group.

In a bit in the second trailer, the one with an English dub, there's a bit where Junah (a girl with a fivehead that puts Haru to shame) saying a line that ends with "but it's thanks to you that I awakened my Archetyp(e)". (it cuts off before the e arrives but that's clearly what it's called.) Archtypes being our not-Persona. So she's also a party member.

in a Japanese stream, we also get this image from an anime cutscene:



Junah's the blonde girl in the back, and given her big eyes, she's our Nydian party member. In addition to her, we have a girl with a third eye in the center of her forehead, which would make her our Mutsutari, and the person in the suit to the right back, who has something just above Hulkenberg's ear. that might be the pole of a spear, but it could also be a tail, which would track for Palipas. We also have this girl named Maria, who has wings, marking her as Ichthyian, though we have no hard confirm that she is in the party, she might just be an NPC with a bond, or a shopkeeper.

Lastly, this bit from the trailer:



He's got an Archetype and he's in the party, and his age would put him as the Rogue member.

Another thing. We've seen some more classes here and there. Here's a list of everything I've seen on everyone:

MC: Seeker, Brawler, Soul Hacker
Strohl: Warrior, Trickster
Hulkenberg: Knight, Healer, Paladin
Heismay: Thief, Ninja
Old Man: Mage

The fact that Hulkenberg has more than one 'class', and that Healer sounds pretty different in terms of what it would do than Knight, seems to indicate that we aren't operating on Persona principles where you have a set thing you do and you only get better at it. But I also don't think that we just have a FF 5/Crystal Project sort of system where anyone can do anything, either, because otherwise we wouldn't have more party members than battle slots through Junah and Old Man.

My guess is that every character has a small web of classes, and while there might be overlaps (Old Man could pick up Healer, for instance), everyone does have some degree of 'classes unique to them'.

Connected to this, we have a battle victory screen.



EXP and Money are expected, and A-EXP (Archetype) would track with some other images we have of classes having levels.

But... "Mag"? coming from Persona, and thus, SMT, the obvious answer would be "magnetite" but I don't think it's that.



This is from an earlier trailer and I think it's the keystone of this Archetypes-as-classes theory.

Lastly, a few neat screenshots that elaborate on characters and give us some early insight into their personalities.



Strohl seems to have a supportive 'cool older brother' vibe going on.



Hulkenberg, meanwhile, seems to be a bit of a hardass. Definitely get Mitsuru vibes from her, though with more of a focus on being strong/tough/disciplined.



Gallica being cute.



Heismay seems to be kneading some dough here, and it looks like his personality has a flair for the dramatic.

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Lemme know if you have any thoughts, counter-analysis, theories, etc. It's not easy playing amateur game journalist.

NachtSieger
Apr 10, 2013


I think it owns that the anime elf woman's name is Hulkenberg.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
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Can't post for 11 years!
I'd be amused if people started shipping her with Heismay just because you can do the ship name combination thingy and get Heisenberg for easy Breaking Bad jokes.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I am kind of amused that the elves are like the stone-cold physical superbadasses apparently, compared to the standard elf trait of "low physical/high magical or agility"

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
Rolling up and being all like "I am going to make you one with nature, permanently"

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

NachtSieger posted:

I think it owns that the anime elf woman's name is Hulkenberg.

This. It's a strong point in the game's favor.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
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Someone else shared some extra info they had found on the Archetype system, quoting them directly and using their screenshots:

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Characters don't seem locked to a specific class line. Here is a screenshot featuring MC with "Dealer", Strohl with "Monk", and Hulkenberg with "Mage".



In another interview (unsure if it's been translated) it's stated that you awaken new Archetypes through bonds with people. Back in the very first video interview with Hashino a few months back there were a bunch of clips playing in the background. In them we can see the protagonist unlocking the "Healer" archetype by strengthening his bond with Maria, as well as gaining the "Brawler" archetype by strengthening his bond with the pink haired knight named Catherine.



Here we can see the screen where you select Archetypes. We can see that the Archetypes are broken up into what looks like categories with some sort of progression system, either through continuing the bond with the character you obtained them from or maybe just mastering that Archetype with a character, or both. In the first trailer there are brief moments where we can see the protagonist with "Magic Seeker" and Hulkenberg with "Magic Knight" equipped, which also suggests this.
This looks like an early game screenshot where we can see Strohl with the "Fighter" archetype equipped (I believe this is the same Archetype as the Warrior one we see in English trailers, just a different name), with the cell directly next to it having a ? on it. Further up in the chart two cells are highlighted blue and red, most likely the protagonist's Seeker and Hulkenberg's Knight.

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anakha
Sep 16, 2009


The bond strengthening scenes and the few seconds in the trailer where they showed the Archetypes being updated/changed caused a few reactions of 'oh, it's just fantasy Persona' when it first came out IIRC.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
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Can't post for 11 years!
Looking at that grid, it reminds me a lot of Digital Devil Saga 2's skill tree. It looks like there are a bunch of small individual sections/segments, but there are also areas where they're too close for them to tesselate perfectly.

So, I assume that each small segment connects to one Bond, and mastering that class is more for letting you carry over useful skills to other classes than anything else. I'd also assume that after a party member joins, they'll get a Rank 1 bond pretty quickly that would let you access their 'base' class (Warrior for Strohl, Knight for Hulkenberg, Thief for Heismay).

Still, that begs a question: Why are there more party member slots than there are party members (old man, Junah) if everyone's customizable in the FF5/Bravely Default vein?

My best guess would be, well, like Digital Devil Saga: Everyone has a unique statline that makes them more suited for certain roles, like Heat having good Strength, and Argilla having high Magic.

Also, given the Bond screen has a circle divided into 8ths, but each segment having at most 4 hexagons, I don't think every rank will give a new Archetype.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
I'm not sure what's to necessarily be gained from speculating via dissecting trailers and interviews now vs waiting to find out actual details as they come out organically. Unless there's some kind of bet going on.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
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Can't post for 11 years!
oh this is fun for me. I like playing mini-Gamexplain. I have fun theorizing and analyzing.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Junpei posted:

oh this is fun for me. I like playing mini-Gamexplain. I have fun theorizing and analyzing.
In text form, it's not irritating by any means.
In youtube form, though? It's usually the worst.

Your Uncle Dracula
Apr 16, 2023
I would watch Junpei's video.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!

Your Uncle Dracula posted:

I would watch Junpei's video.

That's genuinely sweet, thank you.

Anyway, it turns out that there's a lot you can notice going back to the original trailer with additional context. Like, the Mutsutari girl can be seen making a bond with the MC, as well as that Catherine girl mentioned, who if her ears and tail are any indication, is a Palipas.

I would also like to note that while Catherine, a businessman-looking person with white hair, the Mutsutari girl (if you go frame by frame you can see the name "Eupha" pop up under the wheel) and the white-haired beret-wearer who controls Archetypes in that menu go for a handshake in the Bond-forming bit, Maria and the MC go for a pinky promise thingy, which is just so adorable.

Anyway, looking at the grid, it looks like there are about 14 segments of connected Hexagons.

Strohl
Hulkenberg
Heismay
Junah
Maria
Catherine
Eupha
Beret Dude
Businessman
Old Man Party Member
Palipas Party Member
Gallica

That's 12. I'm not sure where the MC's Seeker class comes from, maybe it'll be a self-bond, or a bond with the Prince they're trying to save, or maybe it's with Beret Dude as the 'first' Archetype, or Gallica, but there's about two more bonds, probably.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Unrelated but the P5X chinese gacha game will have an open beta and they dropped a trailer for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4cQ3ual_Oc

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

It looks like ten times more work has been put into it than in any other atlus spinoff in the last five years.

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