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Sucrose posted:All this makes my blood boil, and I don’t have a single goddamn idea about what to do about it other than write my congresspeople, which I’ve done several times. What state do you live in? There's probably something you can blow up. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sucrose posted:All this makes my blood boil, and I don’t have a single goddamn idea about what to do about it other than write my congresspeople, which I’ve done several times. Go look up BDS and find which specific products they recommend boycotting (it's a very short list, because focused boycotts are much more effective than broad ones). BDS's boycotts hurt Israel so badly they have tried extremely hard to make them literally illegal. They're currently trying to pressure the US to make it illegal to share lists of companies to boycott, that's how effective BDS is. If you want to directly pressure Israel, boycott.
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https://twitter.com/poyopoppin/status/1741541568803123691?t=-rl7pAeOClwhQFmx2XZYEQ&s=19 How many lives will be lost, damaged, and disabled by the barbarity of Israel
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Sucrose posted:All this makes my blood boil, and I don’t have a single goddamn idea about what to do about it other than write my congresspeople, which I’ve done several times. I feel you man.I think the only thing to do is protest. Go follow some IG accounts linked to pro-palestine movements and join a march in your area. Talk to your family and friends and don't let them handwave away with a "I don't want to talk politics". This isn't politics, this is loving genocide.
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Apparently the Israeli Supreme Court has (narrowly) struck down Bibi's power grab of the last months. It remains ti be seen if this will cause him to pause and regroup to sustain his coalition, or if he'll double down on the slaughter to try and deliver -something- to the public, and thus come across as their defender compared to the meddling/corrupt/weakling judges trying to stop him from saving everyone. I know where I'd place my chips, especially now that the US seems to have just gone "what's mine is yours' regarding its whole weapons materiel stockpile.
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Pro-Israel shills: “It’s not ethnic cleansing, Palestinians can still enter Israeli settlements in the West Bank to work!” Apartheid, dudes. What you’re describing is apartheid. Speleothing posted:What state do you live in? There's probably something you can blow up. If you lived during the Civil Rights Movement, you’d probably be telling people that if they want to oppose segregation, there’s riots they can go join. HazCat posted:Go look up BDS and find which specific products they recommend boycotting (it's a very short list, because focused boycotts are much more effective than broad ones). This is a great reminder. Sucrose fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jan 2, 2024 |
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Well, the great news about the officially targeted companies is that this boycott is very loving easy as I've barely heard of most of them, and I already don't buy from the other ones, nor would I be in a position to buy from them. What the gently caress I'm gonna buy from Siemens as a consumer? I think the official list could maybe go a bit further.
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It might be different over there but they have a pretty broad line of consumer appliances here in the UK, like if you're looking to get a new coffee machine or dishwasher or something they're almost certainly going to be one of the first brands you come across
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You'd have a bigger impact if you found out what printers people you know have and offered to replace the HP ones with non-HP models (or to buy them generic ink if they refuse to change models). You can also do things like print up 'this product funds the genocide in Gaza, please consider alternative/generic options' stickers and apply them to products. In the case of HP, you can probably print the stickers in the same store that sells HP printers/ink and get it all done in one trip. Boycotts work best when you use the knowledge of what brands need to be boycotted to convince more people to boycott them.
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Sephyr posted:Apparently the Israeli Supreme Court has (narrowly) struck down Bibi's power grab of the last months. It remains ti be seen if this will cause him to pause and regroup to sustain his coalition, or if he'll double down on the slaughter to try and deliver -something- to the public, and thus come across as their defender compared to the meddling/corrupt/weakling judges trying to stop him from saving everyone. Literally an hour later after the Israeli Supreme Court announced the decision, we get news that Israel is pulling troops out of Gaza. It's not a ceasefire or a complete retreat, but a regrouping supposedly to engage Hamas in at a lower intensity. Later in this Al Jazeera piece, they mention a whole bunch of friendly fire incidents and IDF deaths caused by weapons malfunctions and equipment failures as opposed to enemy fire, so my guess is that they're pulling back excess conscripts that keep getting themselves killed and keeping elite veteran units who are trained and experienced well enough at least not to shoot themselves. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/1/israel-says-it-will-pull-out-thousands-of-troops-from-gaza quote:The Israeli military has announced that it will withdraw thousands of its soldiers from the besieged Gaza Strip in the first significant pullback of troops since the war there began in October. Surprisingly, it looks like US is also de-escalating in the region... quote:Separately on Monday, the US announced that it would be taking an aircraft carrier strike group back from the eastern Mediterranean and replacing it with an amphibious assault ship and accompanying warships.
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PT6A posted:Well, the great news about the officially targeted companies is that this boycott is very loving easy as I've barely heard of most of them, and I already don't buy from the other ones, nor would I be in a position to buy from them. What the gently caress I'm gonna buy from Siemens as a consumer? You've barely heard of HP, Siemens or Puma? Puma is easy to boycott because always been more of an Adidas guy but there's bunch of Siemens appliances at my home that I'll be replacing with other brands when the time to buy a new one comes.
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Glah posted:Puma is easy to boycott because always been more of an Adidas guy, Funny thing.. The company was founded in 1948 by Rudolf Dassler (1898–1974). In 1924, Rudolf and his brother Adolf "Adi" Dassler had jointly formed the company Gebrüder Dassler Schuhfabrik ('Dassler Brothers Shoe Factory'). Both brothers joined the Nazi Party, but Rudolf was a keen Nazi, who applied to join, and was accepted into the Gestapo; they produced boots for the Wehrmacht. A growing rift between the brothers reached a breaking point during a 1943 Allied bomb attack. Adi and his wife climbed into a bomb shelter that Rudolf and his family were already in. "Here are the bloody bastards again," Adi remarked, apparently referring to the Allied war planes, but Rudolf, due to his apparent insecurity, was convinced his brother meant him and his family. When Rudolf was later picked up by American soldiers and accused of being a member of the Waffen SS, he was convinced that his brother had turned him in. After increasingly different views of how to run the business, the brothers split the business in 1948. Rudolf moved to the other side of the Aurach River to start his own company. Adolf started his own company using a name he formed using his nickname—Adi—and the first three letters of his last name—Das—to establish Adidas. Rudolf created a new firm that he called "Ruda", from "Ru" in Rudolf and "Da" in Dassler. A few months later, Rudolf's company changed its name to Puma Schuhfabrik Rudolf Dassler. Puma and Adidas entered a fierce and bitter rivalry after the split. The town of Herzogenaurach was divided on the issue, leading to the nickname "the town of bent necks"—people looked down to see which shoes strangers wore.
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Young Freud posted:Literally an hour later after the Israeli Supreme Court announced the decision, we get news that Israel is pulling troops out of Gaza. It's not a ceasefire or a complete retreat, but a regrouping supposedly to engage Hamas in at a lower intensity. Later in this Al Jazeera piece, they mention a whole bunch of friendly fire incidents and IDF deaths caused by weapons malfunctions and equipment failures as opposed to enemy fire, so my guess is that they're pulling back excess conscripts that keep getting themselves killed and keeping elite veteran units who are trained and experienced well enough at least not to shoot themselves. The IDF doesn't have elite veteran units - they're all either idiot conscripts or reservists who had a few weeks refresher and sent in.
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Young Freud posted:Later in this Al Jazeera piece, they mention a whole bunch of friendly fire incidents and IDF deaths caused by weapons malfunctions and equipment failures as opposed to enemy fire, so my guess is that they're pulling back excess conscripts that keep getting themselves killed and keeping elite veteran units who are trained and experienced well enough at least not to shoot themselves. Note, if the IDF can't be trusted not to murder themselves through malice or incompetence to a tremendous degree then they absolutely cannot be trusted to ensure the safety of any civilians.
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Sephyr posted:I assume what they are 'veteran' at is escorting West Bank settlers when they go on their weekly Kristallnacht-analogue. Depends on your definition. Combat units are enlisted for less than 3 years and about a year of that is training. Even the west bank "commando" units are all incompetent idiots.
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Miftan posted:The IDF doesn't have elite veteran units - they're all either idiot conscripts or reservists who had a few weeks refresher and sent in. Also, conducting an effective genocide on this scale (given all the evidence SA so kindly provided to the ICJ, I think we can stop beating around the bush here) is absolutely a matter of quantity of manpower, not quality. Either they're scaling back their military ambitions, or the poor murderous bastards left behind in Gaza are going to start eating unprecedented levels of poo poo.
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Or they believe in tightening the starvation/thirst noose to thin them out/push them out and spare their 22-year-old Field Marshals.
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Miftan posted:The IDF doesn't have elite veteran units - they're all either idiot conscripts or reservists who had a few weeks refresher and sent in. The IDF isn't just conscripts. While most of the population is required to serve three years as conscripts followed by a couple decades as reservists, that's a minimum, not a maximum. People who want to be career soldiers can renew their enlistment and continue to serve long-term, remaining on active-duty for much longer periods and forming the core of the IDF's elite units.
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Sephyr posted:Or they believe in tightening the starvation/thirst noose to thin them out/push them out and spare their 22-year-old Field Marshals. Even that is likely to be more challenging with less manpower, though, especially if Hamas manages to establish (or re-establish) any effective smuggling routes past the blockade. At a bare minimum, this will make cutting off the north of the Strip from the south much harder.
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Main Paineframe posted:The IDF isn't just conscripts. While most of the population is required to serve three years as conscripts followed by a couple decades as reservists, that's a minimum, not a maximum. People who want to be career soldiers can renew their enlistment and continue to serve long-term, remaining on active-duty for much longer periods and forming the core of the IDF's elite units. I'm aware. Most commando units don't require any extra time served except for officers, and half of their extra time served is offset by another 8 months of training at a minimum. It's mostly conscripts, except for 2-3 small units who are required to do extra time (and even then it's only about a year and a half iirc?). In general, there are very few officers per combat unit and even fewer NCOs in combat roles. Career soldiers in the IDF generally get sent to an office fairly fast and even those that don't aren't really around in any significant numbers compared to the conscripts. The IDF doesn't have any units full of people who have been in that unit for more than 2 years AT MOST, and most of them are dumbass kids. There isn't an elite commando unit full of 30 year olds who have been doing it for a decade. All this to say, I really don't think the IDF pulling back is to let any 'elite veteran units' do their job, because that's not how the IDF works. They mostly use force of numbers and technology to terrorise palestinians. The 'elite veteran' units that they *do* have gently caress up really often because they're mostly full of dumbass kids who are new to what they're doing. Miftan fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jan 2, 2024 |
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The Canadian BDS list includes the Canada Pension Plan which might be a bit tricky to boycott. I assume the intention in these cases is to write in protest or something instead.
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What proportion of the 300k mobilized reservists were actually fighting in Gaza as opposed to waiting for the widely anticipated much more difficult conflict with Hezbollah in the North? If Israel now judges that isn't happening (which they may be given that they're also lifting the evacuation order for that area) they could demobilise a large proportion of their reservists without materially affecting the Gaza campaign much. e: actually I misread the article - the communities they're allowing to go back are North of Gaza, not on the Lebanon border. So it seems more like they think northern Gaza is basically under control and they can afford to pull those troops. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jan 2, 2024 |
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So this is apparently the new... well... I hesitate to call it a 'plan'? https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1742055626312978577?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q Setting aside the obvious nonsense of tribes being a thing you can build governments out of in Gazan Palestine, announcing such a manpower-intensive bantustan/concentration camp policy while pulling troops out of the Strip seems less-than-workable.
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Ms Adequate posted:It might be different over there but they have a pretty broad line of consumer appliances here in the UK, like if you're looking to get a new coffee machine or dishwasher or something they're almost certainly going to be one of the first brands you come across Actually, no. Bosch bought out their consumer appliance division in 2014. They still sell appliances under the Siemens brand, but there's no actual connection to Siemens itself.
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Darth Walrus posted:So this is apparently the new... well... I hesitate to call it a 'plan'? We don't have any evidence that this is the plan, other than one reporter making unsourced claims about it. It's possible that it could be the plan, but every other reporter in Israel seems to be busy complaining that Netanyahu refuses to reveal any plans he might have to anyone (to the point where even the war cabinet is still in the dark about it), so I'm a bit wary of assuming that this is necessarily reliable info. The "tribes" thing just sounds like a translation issue, though. It sounds more like he's describing ending unified government in Gaza and splitting it up between local political elites and factions, not "tribes" in the sense that we'd think of them.
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Main Paineframe posted:We don't have any evidence that this is the plan, other than one reporter making unsourced claims about it. It's possible that it could be the plan, but every other reporter in Israel seems to be busy complaining that Netanyahu refuses to reveal any plans he might have to anyone (to the point where even the war cabinet is still in the dark about it), so I'm a bit wary of assuming that this is necessarily reliable info. Is it even about building a government? It sounds like the speaker is describing distribution of humanitarian aid (it's very, "let them figure it out, we want nothing to do with distributing aid in Gaza"). It's a short video, but maybe there was more context.
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PT6A posted:Well, the great news about the officially targeted companies is that this boycott is very loving easy as I've barely heard of most of them, and I already don't buy from the other ones, nor would I be in a position to buy from them. What the gently caress I'm gonna buy from Siemens as a consumer? I think the list on the BDS website doesn't list enough companies or needs to be targeted more based on region to be effective. If they have longer lists on the website for economic boycotts, I can't find them, and they seem to be too focused on boycotting in a narrow way. https://boycott-israel.org/boycott.html This list is a little bit longer without being hard to read or just a picture with every corporate logo on it. It gives reasons for why they are on the boycott list so you can determine if you find them complicit. It also lists out impact level of the boycott and all the ones on the BDS list are on this list as high impact FWIW.
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An Israeli drone strike killed Hamas' deputy leader in Beirut today (Israel technically hasn't claimed responsibility but there can be little doubt it was them). https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosion-southern-beirut-suburb-dahiyeh-two-security-sources-2024-01-02/ Not killing Hamas leaders based in Lebanon was a specific red line for Hezbollah so this could easily lead to a full war. Looks like Israel wants to escalate rather than wind down the war.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:An Israeli drone strike killed Hamas' deputy leader in Beirut today (Israel technically hasn't claimed responsibility but there can be little doubt it was them). That might be why they're pulling troops out of Gaza. yes they need rest/rotation, but they also know this act could set things off up north. They've been striking around the Lebanese border regularly, but is this the first strike in the capital? The location and target seems like one hell of an escalation.
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Main Paineframe posted:We don't have any evidence that this is the plan, other than one reporter making unsourced claims about it. It's possible that it could be the plan, but every other reporter in Israel seems to be busy complaining that Netanyahu refuses to reveal any plans he might have to anyone (to the point where even the war cabinet is still in the dark about it), so I'm a bit wary of assuming that this is necessarily reliable info. He uses the word "Hamula" which translates roughly into "clan". It's understood to mean family ties specifically. At any rate like you said I don't think we should put too much weight in what one reporter said, and even if that's the "plan", I imagine it'll be of the best-laid kind.
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Soylent Yellow posted:Actually, no. Bosch bought out their consumer appliance division in 2014. They still sell appliances under the Siemens brand, but there's no actual connection to Siemens itself. Oh huh, I had no idea! Well then. Irony Be My Shield posted:An Israeli drone strike killed Hamas' deputy leader in Beirut today (Israel technically hasn't claimed responsibility but there can be little doubt it was them). Oh boy. This could get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Ms Adequate posted:Oh boy. This could get a lot worse before it gets better. How much worse is going to depend strongly on what amount of escalation would cause the US to yank the leash. Not that I think Israel would stop, but there's an amount of trouble they could get into on their own and an amount of trouble they could get into with US backing, and the latter is a scary amount.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Have they in any way looked into the things Dersh does these days? I’m assuming no. This is also pretty funny timing considering Epstein's flight logs to his pedo island are going to be released any day now and no doubt Dersh is on those logs quite a bit.
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