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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I've been trying to use "yous" more and more. I know it's considered improper language and uncouth but it's not my fuckin problem that English doesn't have a nice second person plural Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Every second person plural is considered not just wrong, but actively bad. However, a second person plural is something we need in daily speech. How can these two things be reconciled?? Y'all motherfuckers need "y'all".
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If you can use it and be understood then the language does have the capability, doesn't matter if the dickheads writing the dictionary disagree. Yiz/yins/youse/y'all are perfectly good words.
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Jan 3, 2024 06:16
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Yall supremacy
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Jan 3, 2024 06:23
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Y'all or even "you all" or even "your all" is the best
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Jan 3, 2024 06:35
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There just isn't a need for a 2nd person plural pronoun. You're either having a one on one conversation, or addressing a group and 'you' applies to the entire group, or you're addressing an individual within a group, in which case you must've specified that individual by name in the previous sentence and context indicates that 'you' means that particular individual. If you don't believe me, consider that in places where 'y'all' is common you probably use 'y'all' to address individuals!
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Jan 3, 2024 06:45
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Muscle Tracer posted:Homonyms are good, actually. They are fundamental to a lot of wordplay, and poetry and comedy would both be vastly poorer without them. Family Values posted:There just isn't a need for a 2nd person plural pronoun. You're either having a one on one conversation, or addressing a group and 'you' applies to the entire group, or you're addressing an individual within a group, in which case you must've specified that individual by name in the previous sentence and context indicates that 'you' means that particular individual. Family Values posted:If you don't believe me, consider that in places where 'y'all' is common you probably use 'y'all' to address individuals! 
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Jan 3, 2024 06:49
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I've never been in a situation where I desperately need a second person plural to differentiate from the singular. But that's your own personal neurosis I guess.Lemniscate Blue posted:Y'all motherfuckers need "y'all". That one does sound actively bad.
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Jan 3, 2024 07:13
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SlothfulCobra posted:I've never been in a situation where I desperately need a second person plural to differentiate from the singular. But that's your own personal neurosis I guess.
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Jan 3, 2024 07:22
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OwlFancier posted:If you can use it and be understood then the language does have the capability, doesn't matter if the dickheads writing the dictionary disagree. The problem is that those are all regional, and if you don't have the accompanying accent or come from that region, you communicate two things by using those words: Second person plural, and "I'm hamfistedly affecting regional speech patterns."
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Jan 3, 2024 07:34
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They're regional insofar as lots of places produce a word on that theme because it's useful to have, if people are going to judge you for using useful words that are perfectly comprehensible then they're just oiks.
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Jan 3, 2024 07:37
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Ditocoaf posted:The problem is that those are all regional, and if you don't have the accompanying accent or come from that region, you communicate two things by using those words: Second person plural, and "I'm hamfistedly affecting regional speech patterns." So what's so regional about "you guys"?
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Jan 3, 2024 07:37
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Second person plural is just a natural part of a language it's not right that the most adaptable language doesn't have one
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Jan 3, 2024 07:38
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:So what's so regional about "you guys"? Nothing, and it's what I use, but it definitely feels like the awkward workaround that it is.
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Jan 3, 2024 07:39
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You are at work. You are worried about what your boss, Jessica, thought about your presentation earlier. You go to get a drink of water. As you walk up to the water cooler, you see that your two best work friends, Mike and Jeff, are standing around it. "Hey," you say to them, "What did <SECOND PERSON PLURAL> think about my presentation earlier? Did Jessica like it? Now which term do you think should most properly fit in that SECOND PERSON PLURAL box? What would fit there better than a second person plural?
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Jan 3, 2024 07:47
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Everyone?
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a sexual elk posted:Everyone? No, you're trying to speak only to Mike and Jeff only asking them their feelings
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Jan 3, 2024 07:58
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:No, you're trying to speak only to Mike and Jeff only asking them their feelings Everyone
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Jan 3, 2024 08:00
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Second person plural is just a natural part of a language it's not right that the most adaptable language doesn't have one Well, "you" is the second person plural. You can still use "thou" if you want in the first person, it's a perfectly valid word.
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Jan 3, 2024 08:02
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You are at work. You are worried about what your boss, Jessica, thought about your presentation earlier. You go to get a drink of water. As you walk up to the water cooler, you see that your two best work friends, Mike and Jeff, are standing around it. "Hey," you say to them, "What did <SECOND PERSON PLURAL> think about my presentation earlier? Did Jessica like it? 'What did you think about my...' while making eye contact with both of them. 'You' is the grammatically correct word for that sentence, and I doubt that Mike or Jeff would be confused or unsure if I wanted their opinion. If for some reason I only wanted one of their opinions I would say 'Hey Mike, what did you think about my...'
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Jan 3, 2024 08:16
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The real pronoun we need is inclusive/exclusive first person plural. When I tell my wife that "we're going out", it sure would be nice not having to explain that she is not part of the we.
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Jan 3, 2024 08:25
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Family Values posted:If you don't believe me, consider that in places where 'y'all' is common you probably use 'y'all' to address individuals!
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Phlegmish posted:I myself am not sure what it refers to and kind of doubt the accuracy of this map, but I'm not a linguistic expert. I wouldn't put it past Dutch, the ultimate splittist language despite being spoken by about twenty people worldwide, and itself having started out as German for special snowflakes, to somehow be in three different categories at once. Flipperwaldt posted:De tafel heeft lange poten. Haar poten zijn lang. De wagen rijdt snel. Hij rijdt snel. Deze vork is krom. Gooi hem in de vuilnisbak. De regering draait haar eerdere beslissing terug. From two pages back, but yes, in theory Dutch still has three grammatical genders, but masculine/feminine are rapidly merging into a common. Most speakers of Dutch (in the Netherlands) don't know whether a non-neuter word is masculine or feminine anymore unless it specifically refers to a person. For instance, Flipperwaldt used the masculine gender for 'vork' (fork) in a demonstration he still knew the correct genders for nouns, but the preferred gender for 'vork' is actually feminine! The evolution to a common gender is made easy by the fact that both masculine and feminine nouns have the same definite article ('de') while that for neuter nouns is distinct ('het'). The change is going slower in Flanders because many local dialects still retain a clearer masculine-feminine distinction on account of their indefinite articles being different ('ee(n)' for feminine nouns and 'ne' for masculine nouns - Dutch people who attempt Flemish impersonations tend to use 'ne' everywhere, but this is wrong). Interestingly, if native speakers of Dutch don't know whether a word is masculine or feminine, the Dutch seem to default more easily to masculine while Flemings default to feminine. In many cases, both will be considered correct nowadays.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You are at work. You are worried about what your boss, Jessica, thought about your presentation earlier. You go to get a drink of water. As you walk up to the water cooler, you see that your two best work friends, Mike and Jeff, are standing around it. "Hey," you say to them, "What did <SECOND PERSON PLURAL> think about my presentation earlier? Did Jessica like it?
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Family Values posted:'What did you think about my...' while making eye contact with both of them. 'You' is the grammatically correct word for that sentence, and I doubt that Mike or Jeff would be confused or unsure if I wanted their opinion. If for some reason I only wanted one of their opinions I would say 'Hey Mike, what did you think about my...' I say y’all, and Mike and Jeff are weirded out if I speak the King’s
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Jan 3, 2024 12:37
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i would say, ‘what did you two think…’ just to be quick and explicit.
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jeebus bob posted:How do they feel about Russia? Literally the most pro-Russia party in every poll and vote ever but claim to be patriotic. I.e. a fifth column like all Nazi parties. ? 3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Literally the most pro-Russia party in every poll and vote ever but claim to be patriotic. I.e. a fifth column like all Nazi parties. lol @ Portugal, europa oriental as always lol at Suomi for being the ballsack of the dumbest countries that exist lmao
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Y'all is the worst because it's a contraction of 'you all', and 'all' is a counting word and cannot be (correctly) used that way. Expand any sentence with y'all – 'I want to thank y'all' becomes 'I want to thank you all' – and then try to use any other counting word in the same spot: 'I want to thank you some' or 'I want to thank you most'. The counting words become ambiguous. The correct structure would be 'I want to thank {some, most, all} of you'. At least yinze and youse are unique dialect inventions instead of the abomination that is y'all. 
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Family Values posted:Y'all is the worst because it's a contraction of 'you all', and 'all' is a counting word and cannot be (correctly) used that way. Expand any sentence with y'all – 'I want to thank y'all' becomes 'I want to thank you all' – and then try to use any other counting word in the same spot: 'I want to thank you some' or 'I want to thank you most'. The counting words become ambiguous. The correct structure would be 'I want to thank {some, most, all} of you'. Prescriptivists gtfo
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Badger of Basra posted:Prescriptivists gtfo
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Badger of Basra posted:Y'all p
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Lemniscate Blue posted:*Y'all p
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These types of maps really need to use striped colors more. "You guys" is definitely common in the south to say to a group of people. Y’all and "you all" are definitely more common and it avoids older women getting bothered by "guys" shifting from masculine to neutral, but you guys is not exotic. I tend to say "you all," doesn’t seem like a Kentucky-specific thing to me. Never heard someone say youse, but I’d understand it at least. Never in my entire life even heard of "yinz" as a thing and would not understand that. E: guys is kind of weird now that I think about it. If I were talking to a mixed-gender or all-female group of people I’d say "what can I get you guys?" but if I was talking to someone and referring to a separate group of people, I don’t think I’d say "see those guys over there?" unless the people over there were all male. And then singular "guy" is definitely always masculine. Saladman fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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Jan 3, 2024 19:03
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Groda posted:*All y
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Jan 3, 2024 19:08
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As a non-native speaker of English, "y'all" is extremely convenient and "youse/yinz/yiff" are too silly.
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Negostrike posted:As a non-native speaker of English, "y'all" is extremely convenient and "youse/yinz/yiff" are too silly. Seriously. I'm gonna slap the person saying those ones.
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Family Values posted:Y'all is the worst because it's a contraction of 'you all', and 'all' is a counting word and cannot be (correctly) used that way. Expand any sentence with y'all – 'I want to thank y'all' becomes 'I want to thank you all' – and then try to use any other counting word in the same spot: 'I want to thank you some' or 'I want to thank you most'. The counting words become ambiguous. The correct structure would be 'I want to thank {some, most, all} of you'. Now tell us how you answer if someone asks "who is it?" when you knock on a door
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Saladman posted:Never heard someone say youse, but I’d understand it at least. Never in my entire life even heard of "yinz" as a thing and would not understand that. it is explicitly a pittsburgh-area thing. great town, but there's some weird stuff in the water.
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I have a beautiful southern accent and when i say yall its like pearls falling from my mouth.
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