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wesleywillis posted:Great! My niece worked at the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia, and while setting up a display on the city's disease history, inadvertently opened a surgeon's tool roll, and the instruments were, ah, not clean, and the accompanying literature explained that this was a smallpox vaccination kit used during the Civil War. That call to the CDC received a hasty response. She was quarantined for a few weeks.
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PainterofCrap posted:My niece worked at the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia, and while setting up a display on the city's disease history, inadvertently opened a surgeon's tool roll, and the instruments were, ah, not clean, and the accompanying literature explained that this was a smallpox vaccination kit used during the Civil War. I'm surprised there would be any danger at all. Smallpox in the arctic that has been in permafrost the whole time, sure. But stuff that has been stored at room temperature for a hundred years? Some bacteria and fungi can make sturdy spores that wait for ideal conditions to return, but viruses are fragile.
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If you look at the wiki page for smallpox you may imagine why people may not want to take that risk
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Facebook Aunt posted:I'm surprised there would be any danger at all. Smallpox in the arctic that has been in permafrost the whole time, sure. But stuff that has been stored at room temperature for a hundred years? Some bacteria and fungi can make sturdy spores that wait for ideal conditions to return, but viruses are fragile. The best study we have on viability of smallpox scabs showed them to be culturable and presumed infectious after thirteen years in a laboratory cupboard. That’s not when they decayed, just when the experimenters ran out of specimens. Variola virus has not so far been cultured from historical artefacts, though, and not for lack of trying. PainterofCrap posted:My niece worked at the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia, and while setting up a display on the city's disease history, inadvertently opened a surgeon's tool roll, and the instruments were, ah, not clean, and the accompanying literature explained that this was a smallpox vaccination kit used during the Civil War. It turns out that they were all vaccinia virus, the good one, the one that you want to get, not variola virus, causative agent of smallpox.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I'm surprised there would be any danger at all. Smallpox in the arctic that has been in permafrost the whole time, sure. But stuff that has been stored at room temperature for a hundred years? Some bacteria and fungi can make sturdy spores that wait for ideal conditions to return, but viruses are fragile. There's a confirmed story about an accident with military testing of smallpox 13 miles upwind of some coastal fishing village in Russia. Half the city got smallpox several died and they had to burn the city to the ground. That's the broad strokes anyways. The only good news about smallpox is that it doesn't have the ability to mutate hardly at all which is the only reason we were able to eliminate it and we're still struggling with polio half a century later and covid has 9 named strains a year
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Hadlock posted:There's a confirmed story about an accident with military testing of smallpox 13 miles upwind of some coastal fishing village in Russia. Half the city got smallpox several died and they had to burn the city to the ground. That's the broad strokes anyways.
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If you're looking for heartwarming stories about infection you should check this out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray#:~:text=Operation%20Sea%2DSpray%20was%20a,be%20to%20a%20bioweapon%20attack. Sorry for no url bbcode I'm on my phone.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:When was this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Aral_smallpox_incident I guess it was 15km upwind (9.3 miles) not 13 miles
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Hadlock posted:The only good news about smallpox is that it doesn't have the ability to mutate hardly at all which is the only reason we were able to eliminate it and we're still struggling with polio half a century later and covid has 9 named strains a year Smallpox had a number of things going for it as an eradication candidate. It really helped that it caused distinctive skin lesions, it didn’t transmit much before those lesions appeared, immunity was longlasting, and animals didn’t get the disease. The political will to eradicate it was also drastically buoyed by the fact that some strains of smallpox killed two in five people.
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Potato Salad posted:are the rumors that the TikTok digger got shut down true? Yes. Also apparently she’s a trumper and is trying to get immigration services called on one of her neighbors.
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The Dave posted:Yes. Also apparently she’s a trumper and is trying to get immigration services called on one of her neighbors. ironic, i thought they hated tunnels
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Hadlock posted:There's a confirmed story about an accident with military testing of smallpox 13 miles upwind of some coastal fishing village in Russia. Half the city got smallpox several died and they had to burn the city to the ground. That's the broad strokes anyways. Polio is almost gone, the remaining pocket is more about the political situation up in the Afghan/Pakistan borderlands than the biology. And how the live vaccine very sporadically reverts to a harmful variant, though I think the newest revisions have fixed that.
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I wonder how long it's been since somebody got leprosy from an armadillo. leprosy rates in armadillos is a startling piece of information: estimated to be as high as 20%
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Actually, to refine that a touch: "Wild" Polio is limited to a couple of provinces in Afghaniatan and Pakistan, but there have been some (low thousands?) cases of the vaccine-derived variant the last couple of years. They think it's under control thanks to the new vaccine variant, though. I check the polio eradication efforts website every year or so - I remain hopeful that we'll see Polio being the second disease we officially eradicate within a decade or two.
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ComradePyro posted:I wonder how long it's been since somebody got leprosy from an armadillo. leprosy rates in armadillos is a startling piece of information: estimated to be as high as 20% Nineteen in twenty people are born immune to leprosy. You have to be unlucky to even be vulnerable to it.
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Computer viking posted:Polio is almost gone, the remaining pocket is more about the political situation up in the Afghan/Pakistan borderlands than the biology. Which we did not help at all by sending in CIA agents to take DNA samples looking for Bin Laden under the guise of delivering vaccinations. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna
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Phanatic posted:Which we did not help at all by sending in CIA agents to take DNA samples looking for Bin Laden under the guise of delivering vaccinations. Yeah that was dumb.
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only if you give a poo poo about humans as humans, and the health of communities
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Computer viking posted:Polio is almost gone, the remaining pocket is more about the political situation up in the Afghan/Pakistan borderlands than the biology. And how the live vaccine very sporadically reverts to a harmful variant, though I think the newest revisions have fixed that. There was confirmed community spread of polio in New York State in 2022 and they're still detecting it in waste water in 2023. Apparently an immigrant from xyz (not Pakistan/Afghanistan) has it and was a infections carrier for years in the states Israel also had a case in 2022 The NY case is super concerning because it went undetected for years and there's likely a cluster in the area when one positive case is detected https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/polio/docs/2023-07-31_advisory.pdf We are way off topic
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Technically, wastewater surveillance is a paragon of crappy construction.
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Hadlock posted:We are way off topic Crappy Civics
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Potato Salad posted:Crappy Civics Please don't bring my car into this.
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Why are you posting OCD triggers?
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It's impossible to know where the roof will peak
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Jusupov posted:It's impossible to know where the roof will peak Unlike that builder, who clearly peaked in high school.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Unlike that builder, who clearly peaked in high school. This is generous.
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Close only counts in horse shoes, hand grenades, and house framing
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Nice to see that Lewis Black bit about weathermen IRL: "If you were a roofer, and you built a roof and it was two feet off... you'd still be in prison"
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Jusupov posted:It's impossible to know where the roof will peak ....even with presumably prebuilt trusses. Or are those on-site built?
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Darchangel posted:....even with presumably prebuilt trusses. They look like manufactured pieces, but not exactly symmetrical for whatever reason, and few were installed backwards.
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 Came across this solution in Copenhagen (ok.. Christiania, but still) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania
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Letmebefrank posted:
That's what you do when the ground is too rocky or ground water is too high to dig a basement.
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Letmebefrank posted:
From that link:  quote:Glass house in Freetown Christiania, one of the many idiosyncratic constructions exemplifying modern "architecture without architects". Look, I hate Gehry and Le Corbusier as much as the next guy but perhaps this isn't the answer.
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Nitrox posted:They look like manufactured pieces, but not exactly symmetrical for whatever reason, and few were installed backwards. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
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It’s impossible to tell where the showerhead will end up.
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