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How can you make a map that detailed without having ever met a German?
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OwlFancier posted:Plurals are fine if you keep it to "add s to the end to indicate more than 1" Make plurals via reduplication, as reflected in the town names of Walla Walla and Tilba Tilba. Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Every second person plural is considered not just wrong, but actively bad. However, a second person plural is something we need in daily speech. How can these two things be reconciled?? Chat, I have a solution.
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Platystemon posted:Chat, I have a solution. got partway through a translation of the lord's prayer rendered in an imagined twitch streamer-based conlang (amen = "no cap", ofc) before realizing that our time is precious and limited this was not something i, or anyone else, was put on earth to do
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Jan 3, 2024 22:08
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That’s poggers.
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Tree Goat posted:got partway through a translation of the lord's prayer rendered in an imagined twitch streamer-based conlang (amen = "no cap", ofc) before realizing that our time is precious and limited this was not something i, or anyone else, was put on earth to do We were all put on this earth either to make each other happy or to torture each other or something like that. In either case you're obligated to finish what you started.
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With my extremely limited experience, which I'm eager to baselessly extend to cover entire nationalities, I'm confident in saying that both Germany and Austria are in a completely wrong category. Speaking English and being spoken German back sounds more familiar. (With extreme politeness and goodwill, though.)
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Jan 3, 2024 22:32
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Negostrike posted:As a non-native speaker of English, "y'all" is extremely convenient and "youse/yinz/yiff" are too silly.
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Jan 3, 2024 22:44
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More or less silly than using thou/you as the tu/usted equivalents?
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Darkest Auer posted:Well, "you" is the second person plural. You can still use "thou" if you want in the first person, it's a perfectly valid word. This is from a while back, but I've never seen nor heard of "thou" used as a first-person pronoun. How does that work?
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Mr. Belpit posted:This is from a while back, but I've never seen nor heard of "thou" used as a first-person pronoun. How does that work? I think they misspoke/mistyped and meant "you can still use thou as second-person singular."
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Jan 3, 2024 23:50
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Any second person plural that isn’t y’all, is lol The other shibboleths for proper english are boy, girl, and southern bway, gal, southron
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Y’all only really works in the south and I guess on Twitter, where I always assumed people started using it to save on characters
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Jan 4, 2024 00:04
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You -> ultrayou
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Widespread adoption of y'all will inevitably just result in the same overtaking of the singular second person pronoun and then we'd only have y'all instead of only having you, not worth it 
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Jan 4, 2024 00:16
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Just bring back the original second person singular and you no longer need to wonder whether someone is addressing thee specifically or the crowd thou standest in.
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Jan 4, 2024 00:29
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i'm coming around to yinz, tbh
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Snowy posted:Y’all only really works in the south and I guess on Twitter, where I always assumed people started using it to save on characters I think people do it for fake authenticity points
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Y'all is ideal mainly because it sets you up for some insane contractions. "We would have done it. But you folks? Y'all'd'nt've."
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Don't even get started on conjugating grammatical tenses.
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Around where I live in Scotland lots of people say “youse” but I’ve never paid attention to whether they only say it when addressing people in the plural or also use it for the singular. My feeling is that they use it indiscriminately.
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Many PIE languages have a convention where you use the second person plural to refer to someone politely even if they’re singular, so for French it’s tu/vous, for German it’s du/Sie. For English it used to be thou/you, but while other languages maintained the distinction and kept the second person singular in use for familiar and informal settings, English just lost its informal second person. I remember hearing that one of the last recorded uses of thou in natural language in a court case in London (i.e. not a bible quote) The obvious consequence of that we’ve been discussing is that “you” is ambiguous as to number, but a secondary consequence is that you is no longer a signifier of politeness and formality! But in varieties of English which have developed a new second person plural, we’re also seeing the politeness usage come back. I think this is more widespread in places that use y’all (due to 6kall being an accepted pronoun in those areas), but apparently it’s even been seen occasionally in Scotland, with some speakers saying “youse” to be polite to strangers. I’ve never personally seen that and I have to assume it’s rare.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I think they misspoke/mistyped and meant "you can still use thou as second-person singular." It's this
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Guavanaut posted:More or less silly than using thou/you as the tu/usted equivalents?
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We say we go the other way. Everyone start using the royal we in casual conversation.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:We say we go the other way. Everyone start using the royal we in casual conversation. We agree on this. Also pick and use one of this~desu: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VerbalTic/AnimeAndManga
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A Buttery Pastry posted:No, thou/you is scary. Who knows what kind of freak decides to speak like that? Quakers, if not recently, at least a good deal longer than everyone else, to the point where it was seen as an identifying characteristic in the 19th century.
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Quakers, if not recently, at least a good deal longer than everyone else, to the point where it was seen as an identifying characteristic in the 19th century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0OEAF5Fv8 (skip to 7:35 for you/thou bit) I think the idea sounds weirder than it actually is because people imagine them being pronounced you/thou like a modern Shakespearean actor or a Baptist revival preacher reading the King James Bible, rather than the y' and th' sounds of backwoods accents that kept this feature the longest. e: 'Lower North' on this map 
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Numerical Anxiety posted:Quakers, if not recently, at least a good deal longer than everyone else, to the point where it was seen as an identifying characteristic in the 19th century.
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Guavanaut posted:Some niche rural northern English too, although it is dying out. What’s that non-English language near London supposed to be? …Polish?
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If it's supposed to be a map of the current situation, it's at least partly fictional, I'm pretty sure Cornish is effectively extinct.
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Phlegmish posted:If it's supposed to be a map of the current situation, it's at least partly fictional, I'm pretty sure Cornish is effectively extinct. although fair cornwall is sunk beneath the waves its people settled in Italy, ultimately founding Rome.
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Phlegmish posted:If it's supposed to be a map of the current situation, it's at least partly fictional, I'm pretty sure Cornish is effectively extinct. Rather than vastly overestimating the areas of spoken Irish, Welsh, and Cornish in 2024 it's just ruling English there to be instruments of deliberate historical policy, so I'd guess with London it's just saying "these are all sociolects and keep changing every few years" before giving up. e: Here's one about gym shoes that doesn't do that, as it's dealing with current English use rather than 'traditional dialects' 
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Saladman posted:What’s that non-English language near London supposed to be? …Polish? Cities gently caress up dialects, traditionally and especially recently, because the population is large parts immigrants with their own dialectal backgrounds. So dialectology just ignores them and let sociolinguistics deal with them instead. Also dialectology and sociolinguistics have obviously had some dumb infighting because it's mostly, but not entirely, the same thing.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
This doesn’t seem right (tbf the methodology looks like they were never trying to be especially accurate), i feel like Korea and Japan are flipped here. Cats are getting more popular but Korea definitely favors dogs, a lot, and my casual impression is Japan is into cats.
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Tei posted:We agree on this. I will not, nya!
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Koramei posted:This doesn’t seem right (tbf the methodology looks like they were never trying to be especially accurate), i feel like Korea and Japan are flipped here. Cats are getting more popular but Korea definitely favors dogs, a lot, and my casual impression is Japan is into cats.
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I would also add that they have that one good-luck figurine, you know, the cat with the raised paw. (I too am a Japanologist, having watched several anime* shows) * a form of cartoon traditionally made in Japan, believed to be derived from 'animation'
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