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That's actually the weird thing to say (confimed by the empty quoter lol). I'm not debating anybody or being obstinate I'm just having an extended (maybe obnoxious) digression about the John Wick series. Anyway I look forward to plotting out the rest of my lifespan in Batman and Spider-Man films.  Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Jan 4, 2024 |
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Rochallor posted:I have no idea what the story is at this point because they take like four paragraphs to say that Keanu made some deals with the devil for reasons and for some reason the most recent one is like two and a half hours long, but also they thought seriously how Donnie Yen would fight if he was blind and it's really cool. Did you see JW 2 and JW 3? The story is about as simple as it can get. John Wick killed a guy who was a super important person in this underground organized crime organization, and they're hunting him down for it. But of course they constantly fail because he's John Wick. There's nothing to be confused about unless you just dropped into JW 4 without any context.
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Basebf555 posted:Did you see JW 2 and JW 3? The story is about as simple as it can get. John Wick killed a guy who was a super important person in this underground organized crime organization, and they're hunting him down for it. But of course they constantly fail because he's John Wick. There's nothing to be confused about unless you just dropped into JW 4 without any context. John's an assassin who's a member of the big assassin's club. Him killing super important people is fine and dandy. John's instead being hunted down because he violated the underground organized crime organization sanctuary rules. This leads him to seek amends from the secret bedouin boss assassin, who assigns him the mission to kill an old coworker, who talks his way out of being assassinated by offering to team up with John only to backstab him immediately afterwards, only to maybe actual team up with him for real to get rid of the people who are trying to oust them for failing to uphold the underground organized crime organization sanctuary rules back two movies ago. When you lay things out, JWs 3 and 4 is just an extended montage of John being played by everyone around him.
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Schwarzwald posted:John's an assassin who's a member of the big assassin's club. Him killing super important people is fine and dandy.
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I didn't even actively dislike Ghost in the Shell or Snow White and the Huntsman, but I can't imagine this turning out well. Both of those movies were weird in a bland kind of way, which would be death to aThe Crow movie.
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Jerkface posted:didnt he just release a movie? He works and makes stuff so I think at least one of them will happen the movie he just released was a massive bomb, 10 million box office from a 15 million dollar budget, maybe a career killer.
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Things that Taika Waititi officially has on his plate: Movies: Klara and the Sun Akira We're Wolves Star Wars Flash Gordon The Incal TV shows: Continuing Our Flag Means Death Time Bandits Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Oompa Loompa (which is separate from the above) Interior Chinatown
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:the movie he just released was a massive bomb, 10 million box office from a 15 million dollar budget, maybe a career killer. And Thor: Love and Thunder missed a lot of the critical shine his first Thor and Jojo Rabbit had. I don’t know if he’s the darling anymore.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:That's actually the weird thing to say (confimed by the empty quoter lol). I'm not debating anybody or being obstinate I'm just having an extended (maybe obnoxious) digression about the John Wick series. You just keep repeating yourself by prasing HK action films without any elaboration on what you like about them while poorly dunking on John Wick. You made the same point multiple times. You even realize you’re being obnoxious, so It’s definitely weird.
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Chairman Capone posted:Things that Taika Waititi officially has on his plate: Don’t forget he’s announced a sequel to the WWDitS movie as well.
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Captain Jesus posted:You just keep repeating yourself by prasing HK action films without any elaboration on what you like about them while poorly dunking on John Wick. You made the same point multiple times. You even realize you’re being obnoxious, so It’s definitely weird.
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Thor Ragnarok is my favorite MCU movie and I haven't even bothered to watch L&T. There's a lot of reasons, but "Waititi directing the God Butcher story" was such an immediate no on its own.
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https://twitter.com/consequence/status/1742993503548817528 Good Time and Uncut Gems are so loving good
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The MSJ posted:Imagine Chris Pratt attempting to pull a Tom Hardy, playing both Garfield and John. Not sure how Antman could be #10 on the highest grossing list and like #7 on the biggest bombs of the list. I know Variety reported it needed $600M to break even but that seems like really fuzzy math for a movie with a $200M budget.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Not sure how Antman could be #10 on the highest grossing list and like #7 on the biggest bombs of the list. I know Variety reported it needed $600M to break even but that seems like really fuzzy math for a movie with a $200M budget. All the marvel movie budgets read like extreme money laundering situations. Like the marvels cost 240 mil? Yea nah, I saw the movie. Theres not 240 million dollars in that flick. A quarter of the movie takes place in Kamala's house and they dont even go outside to greater new jersey or whatever.
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Rageaholic posted:https://twitter.com/consequence/status/1742993503548817528 I hope they can come to an amicable joint custody agreement regarding Adam Sandler.
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God darn am I mad Dune 2 isn’t out yet. What a bs push back
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Jerkface posted:All the marvel movie budgets read like extreme money laundering situations. Like the marvels cost 240 mil? Yea nah, I saw the movie. Theres not 240 million dollars in that flick. A quarter of the movie takes place in Kamala's house and they dont even go outside to greater new jersey or whatever.
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Rageaholic posted:https://twitter.com/consequence/status/1742993503548817528
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Jerkface posted:All the marvel movie budgets read like extreme money laundering situations. Like the marvels cost 240 mil? Yea nah, I saw the movie. Theres not 240 million dollars in that flick. A quarter of the movie takes place in Kamala's house and they dont even go outside to greater new jersey or whatever. Cinematic universes are appealing to studios because they can rearrange the costs and profits of multiple productions however they like because they are all linked.
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Bar Crow posted:Cinematic universes are appealing to studios because they can rearrange the costs and profits of multiple productions however they like because they are all linked. Yeah but the thing about it is that none of them are ever cheap. It stands to reason that if a company spends 1 billion on 4 films, and "moves" a bunch of money to one of the films, the other three would look comparatively cheap. All the Marvel stuff is wildly expensive! There aren't any cheap ones.
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Disney's budgets are all inflated, there's a bunch of reasons but I think last minute and rush FX meddling combined with some films under covid film conditions (I think The Marvels was filmed that way, it also had a bunch of delays that can inflate budgets too) are one of the big causes atm The Marvels was ok, the switching stuff was fun and it was nice and short, but it has a phase 1 terrible villain and devolved into a glowy light fight. Ant-Man 3 was a weird Phantom Menace riff and pretend I'm posting that tweet about Phantomcore being a thing in the future because it is now and it's Disney
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Jerkface posted:All the marvel movie budgets read like extreme money laundering situations. Like the marvels cost 240 mil? Yea nah, I saw the movie. Theres not 240 million dollars in that flick. A quarter of the movie takes place in Kamala's house and they dont even go outside to greater new jersey or whatever. It went through three rounds of reshoots even late in production after some CGI work was already done and was tinkered with endlessly up until release. It was originally slated to release nine months earlier. Marvel was used to this strategy because they used to be able to poo poo in their hand and fling it on a screen and they’d still get a 90% Tomatometer and a billion at the box office so franchise continuity and synergy mattered more. Now they actually have to make their movies appeal to people to find success and they have to change or die. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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It's insane to remember that the combined budget for the original LOTR trilogy was only $281M and then compare it to poo poo like this. Yes of course a portion of that is reusing sets and costuming and certain CGI but still.
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an oompa loompa tv show? why?
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Pirate Jet posted:It went through three rounds of reshoots even late in production after some CGI work was already done and was tinkered with endlessly up until release. It was originally slated to release nine months earlier. Marvel was used to this strategy because they used to be able to poo poo in their hand and fling it on a screen and they’d still get a 90% Tomatometer and a billion at the box office so franchise continuity and synergy mattered more. Now they actually have to make their movies appeal to people to find success and they have to change or die. It's going to be fun watching marvel lose a few billion as they slowly begin to realize they had little idea what made their first lot of movies so super popular in the first place. If it kills off the genre of $250-300 million dollars boring cgi sludge films, all the better.
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I think the idea that the Marvel movies have taken some kind of hit in quality is a bit off. I mentioned this in the Comic Thread so apologies for repeating myself. I actually saw Quantumania, which is supposed to be an unusually bad MCU film. My wife threw it on while I was doing something else. It's fine. It's the exact fluffy, forgettable nonsense with a cast that's way too good for this poo poo that the MCU has always been. It's good but not great, just like all the others. It's just that something ineffable, hard to quantify has been lost, some sense of credibility or something. Punkin Spunkin posted:Sammo Hung action choreography, Why do you keep bringing up Sammo Hung? Sammo's an amazing choreographer, performer and director but he doesn't have anything in common with what the Wick films are doing aside from 'doing action.' Wick is closer, but not identical, to Johnny To's stuff, or Michael Mann. It's rythmn is closer to that of old school Jidageki movies. It's aesthetic is a weird blend of Suzuki Seijun (I'm thinking Branded to Kill) and loving Argento. It's a pretty unique blend. You can see the influences but the synthesis is distinct. You're not 'going to the source' or whatever by watching Hong Kong action films, you're just watching something different that is also good.
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Non Compos Mentis posted:an oompa loompa tv show? why? I can see it, every episode has some new shenanigans from experimental candy going wrong in between office comedy and musical numbers. They really still should just have the Oompa-Loompas be clearly the brains of the operation and they let Wonka act like he's in charge to be the frontman.
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I mentioned this earlier in this same thread, but the problem with many of the "flops" from 2023 wasn't that they didn't draw in audiences and drive ticket sales, but that their budgets were so astronomical that relatively good ticket sales wasn't enough to get them out of the red. The latest Marvel movies haven't been that bad compared to some of the stinkers that came out early on (Thor: Love & Thunder joins Thor 1 & 2 in the dubious distinction of being bad movies), they've just been way too expensive for what they are trying to do. There's no reason an Antman movie needed to as expensive as it was when Antman stories can be a lot simpler and still be funny and good, and both that movie and The Marvels suffered from whatever the gently caress is happening behind the scenes with Marvel not being able to release their movies on time and on budget. The MCU weren't the only ones to eat poo poo this way though, most of the "Blockbusters" in 2023 made good money but still flopped because production costs were out of control. Hopefully we'll see tighter budgets in newer movies, with directors getting more out of their budget. Barbie had a $145 million budget and looked great, Dune had a $165 million budget and had absolutely fantastic visuals, while Little Mermaid's updated budget was (checks notes) $300+ million!
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I hadn't really let that sink in since I haven't seen most of the latest Marvel movies, but they did kind of lose the bit of strength they had where the side moves had their own flavor. Ant-Man was a superhero heist movie. Captain America mixed in spy stuff. Guardians was loving around with Star Wars/Sci-Fi plots. Now they all drifted into samey CGI fights with a bunch of multiverse stuff.
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Non Compos Mentis posted:an oompa loompa tv show? why? probably my decades long letter writing campaign
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Also with regards to budget, I think there was a quote from Eric Idle where a producer friend told him a big reason for budget inflation is executive embezzling; $1 million missing from a $15 million movie is a lot, $1 million missing from a $250 million tentpole is nothing.Punkin Spunkin posted:What a weird post lol turn on your monitor Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Not sure how Antman could be #10 on the highest grossing list and like #7 on the biggest bombs of the list. I know Variety reported it needed $600M to break even but that seems like really fuzzy math for a movie with a $200M budget. The Marvel movies have huge marketing budgets, and the box office needs to account for future interest in the MCU. If a marvel movie makes $400 million on a $200 million budget, assuming a 50% marketing budget of $100 million, does it really justify spending so much on future movies if you’re “only” making $100 million in profit, especially when you’re not guaranteed that specific return time?
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Non Compos Mentis posted:an oompa loompa tv show? why? Get the people behind Superjail to do it
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Whenever I run across behind the scenes Disney stuff its always about how such and such movie or tv show had 3 reshoots that cost an additional 100 million and they replaced the director halfway through. It seems like every production they do is a shitshow where they change directions halfway through on an executives whim.
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Feldegast42 posted:Whenever I run across behind the scenes Disney stuff its always about how such and such movie or tv show had 3 reshoots that cost an additional 100 million and they replaced the director halfway through. It seems like every production they do is a shitshow where they change directions halfway through on an executives whim.
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Feldegast42 posted:Whenever I run across behind the scenes Disney stuff its always about how such and such movie or tv show had 3 reshoots that cost an additional 100 million and they replaced the director halfway through. It seems like every production they do is a shitshow where they change directions halfway through on an executives whim. This has been so obvious for a while there's all the not-really-jokes about how the Star Wars shows only get to be good as long as Disney's c-suite is busy ruining something else. It also should explain a lot that at this point, Disney is staffed almost entirely by Disney Adults.
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Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction to seeing that, and Red Sonja. v  v
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:I hadn't really let that sink in since I haven't seen most of the latest Marvel movies, but they did kind of lose the bit of strength they had where the side moves had their own flavor. Ant-Man was a superhero heist movie. Captain America mixed in spy stuff. Guardians was loving around with Star Wars/Sci-Fi plots. Now they all drifted into samey CGI fights with a bunch of multiverse stuff. Superhero comics were a version of content laundering before AI. Just take whatever is popular, coat it with comic book tropes, and pass it off as something original and new. Superhero movies are now feeding off other superhero movies and the results aren’t pretty.
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Cooked Auto posted:Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction to seeing that, and Red Sonja. v At least Red Sonja only has that one Schwarzenegger adaptation which either is forgotten or has people nostalgic for it (because they have forgotten how mediocre it is). The Crow is almost on Highlander levels of "Oh my god, there was more?!" with its sequels and its TV show.
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