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teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Inferior Third Season posted:

I went to sprogskole ten years ago, and we were taught that every clause and subordinate clause gets separated by a comma. Basically, every verb gets its own comma or period. So, it's not "I think it's going to snow", it's "I think, it's going to snow".

Compared to some other languages, it is an easy rule to follow when writing. It just makes reading quite a chore when a sentence gets a bit long and complicated.

Between the above and the Store Brand French counting system Danish has, I’m starting to think the potato is not in the mouth, but in the brain.

I can tease out Finnish’s logic game of grammar and structure, but if I hear fireoghalvfems, I’ll react Scanners-style.

E: how does Danish translate Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra?

teen witch fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Jan 5, 2024

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THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

It's just the word for stuff with 90 in it. Don't think too hard, life's too short for that. Have another beer.

Konec Hry
Jul 13, 2005

too much love will kill you

Grimey Drawer

teen witch posted:

Between the above and the Store Brand French counting system Danish has, I’m starting to think the potato is not in the mouth, but in the brain.

I can tease out Finnish’s logic game of grammar and structure, but if I hear fireoghalvfems, I’ll react Scanners-style.

It's super logical and easy to convert it to Swedish. "Fems" is, of course, fem * 20 = 100. And "fjers" is fyra * 20 and "tres" is tre * 20.

Now, when you see a "halv" in front, you would do what is only logical when you're calculating what the "halv" is of something - you remove 10!

So femoghalvtres is easy. 55!

edit: I guess it's "treds"? Whatever!

I was going to make this tongue-in-cheek but this is just literally how I do it in my head. Kind of makes sense when you have in mind that their system is based in portions of 20, tjogräkning.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

i guess all counting systems are weird and arbitrary if you look at them from an outside perspective but boy if it still makes me feel like :psyduck:

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

i mean if you'd ask me if i'd rather chose that counting system or -35°C winters i'd probably pick the former but here we are living with the consequences of our existences

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

My kid learned to count to 100 in Danish at age three. I'm fairly certain he wasn't doing fractions or multiplication, just literally memorising 8 arbitrary words. Much like 1-19, but only half as many.

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

I'd rather score...

... but I'll grind it good for you

BonHair posted:

Punctuation is like sex: when in doubt, leave it out. Also it's never actually good.

Wouldn't leaving it out lead to some awkward moments?

Konec Hry posted:

It's super logical and easy to convert it to Swedish. "Fems" is, of course, fem * 20 = 100. And "fjers" is fyra * 20 and "tres" is tre * 20.

Now, when you see a "halv" in front, you would do what is only logical when you're calculating what the "halv" is of something - you remove 10!

So femoghalvtres is easy. 55!

edit: I guess it's "treds"? Whatever!

I was going to make this tongue-in-cheek but this is just literally how I do it in my head. Kind of makes sense when you have in mind that their system is based in portions of 20, tjogräkning.

I read femoghalvtres as 5,15 or 6,5

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

On commas, I try to not use more than one per sentence. If I feel like there should be another comma it's usually better to just start a new sentence instead.

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020

 
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A lot of the naming is based on the archaic halv-'whatever' to indicate a numerical. 'Halv-anden' is the only word still in common usage in danish, and it means a half before two, or 1.5. In the same vein there's halv-tredje (2.5), halv-fjerde (3.5) and so on.

You then do the logic mumbojumbo and multiply your halv-'whatever' with 20 to get the proper number. This is also reflected in the old way of saying the numbers' names, eg. 70 is halvfjerdsindstyve, where you say your multiplicative modifier and finish it off with saying twenty. You pretty much word out arithmetic and everyone nods along because that makes total sense.

And to complete the mess you throw in a few unique names in the beginning.

10: Ti
20: Tyve
30: Tredive
40: Fyrre
50: Halvtredsindstyve (2.5 * 20)
60: Tresindstyve (3 * 20)
70: Halvfjerdsindstyve (3.5*20)
80: Firsindstyve (4*20)
90: Halvfemsindstyve (4.5*20)

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

teen witch posted:

E: how does Danish translate Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra?



Sokath, med åbne øjne!

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

A lot of the naming is based on the archaic halv-'whatever' to indicate a numerical. 'Halv-anden' is the only word still in common usage in danish, and it means a half before two, or 1.5. In the same vein there's halv-tredje (2.5), halv-fjerde (3.5) and so on.
We should bring all of them back.

Collateral Damage posted:

On commas, I try to not use more than one per sentence. If I feel like there should be another comma it's usually better to just start a new sentence instead.
That's actually also what came out my struggles with Danish grammar rules.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

A Buttery Pastry posted:

We should bring all of them back.

I use halvtredje and friends occasionally. My wife understands but thinks it's dumb, everyone else just don't understand. But if enough of us do it, maybe we can bring it back.

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

I'd rather score...

... but I'll grind it good for you
Please don't bring it back. You already have problems understanding another

This is how you end up coming home from the isenkram with a thousand bottles of milk

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
i loathe that half-assed propaganda piece

isenkram is the word for the merchandize, a purveyor or store from which you obtain isenkram would be a kræmmer

e: or, archaically, an isenkræmmer if you prefer, but no proper Dane would ever neglect an arbitrary declension

Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jan 5, 2024

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Anders posted:

Please don't bring it back. You already have problems understanding another

This is how you end up coming home from the isenkram with a thousand bottles of milk

loving Arla

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010

watho posted:

i mean if you'd ask me if i'd rather chose that counting system or -35°C winters i'd probably pick the former but here we are living with the consequences of our existences

My earlobes are frostbitten as I'm writing this post, and I still think I'd rather have the winters.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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ironware is a good word. jernvare. isenkram. all good words.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!
Long sentences with alot of commas seems archaic to me, feels like something i read more often in swedish texts from like a century ago. Maybe because of more frequent dependant clauses, if im even remembering this pattern correctly.

Falukorv fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jan 5, 2024

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

i loathe that half-assed propaganda piece

isenkram is the word for the merchandize, a purveyor or store from which you obtain isenkram would be a kræmmer

e: or, archaically, an isenkræmmer if you prefer, but no proper Dane would ever neglect an arbitrary declension

Where else are we gonna buy a syklekule?

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
nowhere!

you might go to a kræmmer to purchase a cykelkugle, but for some reason you keep trying to present Danish as more intuitive than it actually is

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

I'd rather score...

... but I'll grind it good for you

Nice piece of fish posted:

Where else are we gonna buy a syklekule?

Kamelåså?

Edit: I assumed this had been posted ITT half a thousand times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykj3Kpm3O0g

Anders fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 6, 2024

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

i loathe that half-assed propaganda piece
Yeah, it's a hate piece, not a love piece.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

A lot of the naming is based on the archaic halv-'whatever' to indicate a numerical. 'Halv-anden' is the only word still in common usage in danish, and it means a half before two, or 1.5. In the same vein there's halv-tredje (2.5), halv-fjerde (3.5) and so on.

You then do the logic mumbojumbo and multiply your halv-'whatever' with 20 to get the proper number. This is also reflected in the old way of saying the numbers' names, eg. 70 is halvfjerdsindstyve, where you say your multiplicative modifier and finish it off with saying twenty. You pretty much word out arithmetic and everyone nods along because that makes total sense.

And to complete the mess you throw in a few unique names in the beginning.

10: Ti
20: Tyve
30: Tredive
40: Fyrre
50: Halvtredsindstyve (2.5 * 20)
60: Tresindstyve (3 * 20)
70: Halvfjerdsindstyve (3.5*20)
80: Firsindstyve (4*20)
90: Halvfemsindstyve (4.5*20)
I like that we have a base-20 counting system, and nobody has any clue why or how we even got it, since it's apparently got no relation to the French base-20 counting system.

BonHair posted:

I use halvtredje and friends occasionally. My wife understands but thinks it's dumb, everyone else just don't understand. But if enough of us do it, maybe we can bring it back.
:sickos:

Anders posted:

Please don't bring it back. You already have problems understanding another

This is how you end up coming home from the isenkram with a thousand bottles of milk

Anders posted:

Kamelåså?

Edit: I assumed this had been posted ITT half a thousand times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykj3Kpm3O0g
It's impressive how much cultural penetration that Uti Vår Hage sketch has had :allears:

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

I like that we have a base-20 counting system, and nobody has any clue why or how we even got it, since it's apparently got no relation to the French base-20 counting system.
Obviously we taught the French how to count.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
I say femsindtyve for 100 to irk my Danish gf sometimes

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

You should all write that TV2 journalist to inform him how to count dead Palestinians properly. Luckily the Danish system doesn't use commas except as decimal separators.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Rust Martialis posted:

I say femsindtyve for 100 to irk my Danish gf sometimes
Well, it's femsindstyve, so no wonder she gets annoyed!

Also, no reason to not expand to sekssindstyve or whatever.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Obviously we taught the French how to count.

your counting system is not even half as deranged as the french system. nioghalvfemsinstyve sounds almost reasonable compared to four-twenty-ten-nine

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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:whitewater:

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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there's something deeply peculiar about people who admit to admiring the united states of america for just about anything imo

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

ulvir posted:

your counting system is not even half as deranged as the french system. nioghalvfemsinstyve sounds almost reasonable compared to four-twenty-ten-nine
Obviously we couldn't quite overcome the language barrier.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

V. Illych L. posted:

there's something deeply peculiar about people who admit to admiring the united states of america for just about anything imo

It would be far more peculiar to deny that there's things to admire the USA or her people for. Mostly material achievements, but culturally you can't say there's nothing there.

It's like denying the Soviet Union did anything admirable. It tells you something about the speaker.

Esran
Apr 28, 2008

Fully on brand. Her only guiding principle is sucking up to the US, so of course she'd love Kissinger.

If it weren't for Fogh, I'd say she's the worst leader we've had in the last several decades.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Drop a signature on this, please. I know it's not going to change anything, but at least there'll be a voting record.

https://www.borgerforslag.dk/se-og-stoet-forslag/?Id=FT-16822

Esran posted:

Fully on brand. Her only guiding principle is sucking up to the US, so of course she'd love Kissinger.

If it weren't for Fogh, I'd say she's the worst leader we've had in the last several decades.

It should be no secret that I utterly despise Fogh with every particle of my being and I still think she's the worst head of government this country has had since Werner Best probably.

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jan 7, 2024

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Rust Martialis posted:

It would be far more peculiar to deny that there's things to admire the USA or her people for. Mostly material achievements, but culturally you can't say there's nothing there.

It's like denying the Soviet Union did anything admirable. It tells you something about the speaker.

it's big macs and pornography op

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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european - especially scandinavian - admiration for the US is similar to enjoying pornography in every material way. many people do it, but it's something decent people keep to themselves and it is rightly considered at least a little shameful

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Voting records usually have key people being absent for unknown reasons, and also no one really cares though. I still support getting it to Parliament, it's just going to be a depressing result in the end.

Also can we give Nyrup some credit for starting the neoliberal turn in Socialdemokratieterne? Maybe not as bad as the others, but he should get some credit.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

V. Illych L. posted:

european - especially scandinavian - admiration for the US is similar to enjoying pornography in every material way. many people do it, but it's something decent people keep to themselves and it is rightly considered at least a little shameful

Okay, well, I am not European, I just live in Denmark.

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THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

BonHair posted:

Voting records usually have key people being absent for unknown reasons, and also no one really cares though. I still support getting it to Parliament, it's just going to be a depressing result in the end.

Also can we give Nyrup some credit for starting the neoliberal turn in Socialdemokratieterne? Maybe not as bad as the others, but he should get some credit.

Didn't we have one that came through in like early December? And it was practically laughed at in Folketinget?

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