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Holybat posted:what the gently caress jobs do you all have that this isn't that much around here you're definitely going to find people willing to go to exotic places and kill the locals if they get this annually
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Owlbear Camus posted:please stop engaging in Tropes against the most moral army in the world 
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Base military pay is really low but while I was on the reserves everyone loving love going deployed. BAH (Housing allowance) is a massive incentive for people to pay a mortgage. You have 0 costs when you are mobilized or deployed. You just had to set up a power of attorney so your wife doesnt empty your bank account and run off with her hubby. cat botherer posted:It's not so much money once you factor in the monthly payments on your Charger. Privates now days dont have to worry about that
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Cao Ni Ma posted:You just had to set up a power of attorney so your wife doesnt empty your bank account and run off with her hubby. Do countries with civil law have this problem, or is it an Anglo phenomenon? Christ. I know so many guys who had their wives run off with someone she met at the Warehouse.
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unmarried junior enlisted was the most money I ever had until I became a professional email typer, because that pay is on top of free food, shelter and utilities. So the money is almost entirely discretionary. If you have dependents though, good luck making ends meet.
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Best Friends posted:unmarried junior enlisted was the most money I ever had until I became a computer toucher, because that pay is on top of free food, shelter and utilities. So the money is almost entirely discretionary. If you have dependents though, good luck making ends meet. It's still poo poo pay compared to the CW militaries. Since all militaries are equal insofar as providing room, board, laundry etc. why does America pay enlisted soldiers jack poo poo compared to Australia or NZ?
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Frosted Flake posted:It's still poo poo pay compared to the CW militaries. it's because the alternative arrangement in America is prison
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Frosted Flake posted:why does America pay enlisted soldiers jack poo poo compared to Australia or NZ? because they want you to know that you are inherently inferior and without prestige or importance. also there is the view that any money given to an enlisted person will be "wasted" or will be used to get in trouble. keep them poor and confined to their barracks, but in such a way that is happens seemingly naturally and without explicit policy an enlisted man with money in his pocket is only ever going to be a problem bedpan has issued a correction as of 21:23 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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Holybat posted:what the gently caress jobs do you all have that this isn't that much around here you're definitely going to find people willing to go to exotic places and kill the locals if they get this annually I mean it's enough to get by on just fine. If you have no dependents, you're suffering through whatever bullshit is involved in barracks life, but your pay is almost all discretionary, so I saw a guy do a 3 year tour, make E-4, and leave with the GI Bill and about $75k in cash savings at age 21. And sometimes you'll see people join who basically seem broke 100% of the time, but it's because they are sending 80%+ of their taxable income directly back to civilian parents or extended family to help with finances, health expenses, naturalization fees, etc. If you have one dependent, even if they don't work, can do just fine. It's when people have kids plural, plus maybe a stay at home spouse, plus are making military pay that it gets pretty tight considering the amount of bullshit that the military can spring on someone with little or no warning, and with little or no reason. On pure money alone, it's not the worst option, but the military can also screw people over in numerous and profound ways.
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Frosted Flake posted:It's still poo poo pay compared to the CW militaries. quote I’ll never forget, from a drunk private in the back of a cab we were sharing “your marines are crazy man, cause you guys actually want this. us army guys, we’re mostly doing this for the money. (sadly, eyes going downcast). and the money’s not even good.”
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You increasingly don't even get the free room and board in the American military lmao
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one of the ways to escape confinement to the base is to get married. you get more money and better quarters too. it ends up being a perverse incentive
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we keep 'em food insecure so they'll fight harder for the scraps.
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Frosted Flake posted:why does America pay enlisted soldiers jack poo poo compared to Australia or NZ? Because it's not competing with NZ or Australia, and because Australia in general has much, much higher minimum wage than the US? Still pays better than Canadian enlisted pay. Or Canadian officer pay. And I haven't looked it up, but I have to assume it pays a lot better than if someone goes and joins the Mexican army.
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Crazycryodude posted:You increasingly don't even get the free room and board in the American military lmao I keep ringing the alarm bells but pretty much every book on the subject suggests neoliberalism will implode the militaries of western states, which is very funny if you think about it. e: Recruiting the scum of the earth because it's marginally better than jail or starvation worked in the 18th century because you could beat people into being disciplined enough to stand in ranks and advance under fire. It does not work for operating complex machinery or... well pretty much anything other than close order drill. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 21:28 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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does "they pay for your food" count if there are no open dining facilities at your post that you can actually reachFrosted Flake posted:I keep ringing the alarm bells but pretty much every book on the subject suggests neoliberalism will implode the militaries of western states, which is very funny if you think about it. future tense doing a lot of lifting there https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/08/fort-cavazos-soldiers-have-been-without-proper-access-food-months.html
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BAH is such a pay bump for enlisted troops the military specifically has had to enact policy to ferret out and punish sham marriages.
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Owlbear Camus posted:BAH is such a pay bump for enlisted troops the military specifically has had to enact policy to ferret out and punish sham marriages. Did America not have the tradition of requiring an officer's permission to marry? It's still traditional to introduce your bride-to-be at a BBQ or something and, by virtue of being older and marrying nice middle class girls they met at university, officers can still usually get a sense if someone is going to burn Joe's life down, even if they can't do anything about it. "High school sweetheart from Trois-Rivières" should be enough to start filling out the forms for post-divorce compassionate leave.
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The Oldest Man posted:does "they pay for your food" count if there are no open dining facilities at your post that you can actually reach quote:The situation at Fort Cavazos, Texas -- previously known as Fort Hood -- has left some junior enlisted with few options for meals, as top officials on base struggle to juggle logistics while most of its cooks are on deployments, missions or serving field training and other events. owned scrub. you should have gone in as an officer or been a contractor.
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bedpan posted:owned scrub. you should have gone in as an officer or been a contractor. How frequently do Americans mustang enlisted men?
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Just order a pizza
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Frosted Flake posted:Did America not have the tradition of requiring an officer's permission to marry? Absolutely not, this is all just weirdo poo poo. And the "sham marriages" being sought out are usually things like person not even existing or lying about what state they live in. There's just no way whatsoever for the US miliary to say "you didn't mean it," if two random soldiers get married for the pay and move offbase to a party apartment, each pocketing their portion of BAH.
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Frosted Flake posted:Did America not have the tradition of requiring an officer's permission to marry? US enlisted tradition is to immediately marry the first person you see out of tech school/ait like one of those tales about the dangers of love potions.
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Frosted Flake posted:Did America not have the tradition of requiring an officer's permission to marry? Lmao this is so Old World, no America absolutely does not require you to get permission from the local baron before getting married. In fact it's encouraged that you get married to whoever you can as fast as you can.
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The only pre-marriage counseling stuff I've seen is: 1. Telling troops how to sign up for the benefits. 2. Telling bigoted NCOs/officers they aren't allowed to be loving weirdos about certifying benefits entitlement forms just because they are mad about gay marriage, and they'll get fired if they try.
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Frosted Flake posted:How frequently do Americans mustang enlisted men? I can't remember the numbers but I've always been told the competition is very fierce. Also, it implicitly takes away what would have been an excellent enlisted man with high marks in all the metrics that are valued. If you have officer aspirations then get the degree before or hang around long enough to have a shot at a LDO slot. bedpan has issued a correction as of 21:41 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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guys your thread has been hijacked and derailed by bad actors
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Owlbear Camus posted:US enlisted tradition is to immediately marry the first person you see out of tech school/ait As a rational actor on the marketplace this is what they should do
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In the UK your Staff Sergeant still gets Prima Nocta
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Retromancer posted:In the UK your Staff Sergeant still gets Prima Nocta Yes, but not with your wife. 
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Do officers still just marry the hottest girl around the foreign base where they're deployed, or has that time honored tradition been sadly lost like so many  others?
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The base pay on a E-4 is 3k a month before taxes. That may be attractive to some people but I could see why recruiting is down even considering hazard/overseas pay and possibly housing. It isn’t a great incentive to put yourself in an extremely stressful situation where a lot can go wrong unless the prime motive is patriotism. In Portland, Panda Express is paying about 20 dollars an hour.
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Ardennes posted:The base pay on a E-4 is 3k a month before taxes. That may be attractive to some people but I could see why recruiting is down even considering hazard/overseas pay and possibly housing. that's more money than I made working on a lovely helpdesk even after 10 years of annual raises and a promotion I quit bc it was bullshit and now I can make a dollar less per hour as a new hire at the loving walmart
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gradenko_2000 posted:cross-posting from the Doomsday Econ thread: https://johntreed.myshopify.com/blo...in-terms-part-2 quote:Actually, the military has enough money to fix the vehicles if they were not a government bureaucracy. If company commanders could get a budget and have the vehicles fixed by a local civilian mechanic, they would work just fine and be within budget. But as long as the military is a Situation Normal, All Fouled Up government bureaucracy with Soviet-style central planning that insists on doing everything in-house, they don’t have enough money. https://johntreed.myshopify.com/blo...alites-and-cost quote:Fire power is so 1953 You managed to find the exact opposite to our own Frosted Flake. These are just the first two articles I looked at.
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Frosted Flake posted:Yes, but not with your wife. Glad to see that the old ‘put your hands behind you biceps and push them out so you look more jacked’ trick that high school athletes use is a 250 year old tradition.
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BearsBearsBears posted:"If company commanders could get a budget and have the vehicles fixed by a local civilian mechanic, they would work just fine and be within budget."  What could possibly go wrong by taking the G-Wagons to the Mercedes dealership instead of the motor pool?
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Frosted Flake posted:Yes, but not with your wife. some of those guys (not the moustache dudes) look surprisingly modern, when was the photo taken?
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Pistol_Pete posted:some of those guys (not the moustache dudes) look surprisingly modern, when was the photo taken? I can't figure out where the photo credit is in the book, but based on the forage cap and beer bottles I would guess towards the end of the period.
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Frosted Flake posted:Yes, but not with your wife. Neoliberalishly: Those men should be paying going market rates for their on base accomodation which they are required to live in.
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DancingShade posted:Neoliberalishly: i dont see any fentanyl or mold, cant be a barracks
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