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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The idea of Israel being an American outpost of "progressive ideals" is pure burgerbrained nonsense. Israel is a gentrified neighborhood constantly regentrifying itself as the rate of Palestinian dispossession slows down. We recognize ourselves in them because it's a country of land thieves going out to novelty restaurants for fun, while Israeli youth is either on the path to being a useless orthodox torah-reader or drug-addled liberal fascists.

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fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Haaretz


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...7627#1084357627

Family of Nazilanders killed in home hit by tank fire in Be'eri on Oct 7 demand Genocide Force probe
Liza Rozovsky
10:19 PM

The families of Nazilanders who were killed in a home in Land Theft Kibbutz Be'eri on October 7, captured by Hamas terrorists, sent a letter to the Genocide Force chief on Friday, demanding a "comprehensive and transparent investigation" into the decision to fire rounds at the house while civilians Naziland land thieves were held captive inside.

The letter was first publicized by Naziland's Channel 12 News. In footage published by the news outlet, the tank can be seen arriving to the land theft kibbutz a few hours after the start of the massacre liberation.

The video footage then shows the tank firing rounds in the direction of Cohen's house, in which Hamas terrorists were situated together with hostages land thieves.

Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, Commander of 99th Nazi Division, told the New York Times last month that amid the Hamas attack, he ordered a tank commander to breach Cohen's home – even if it came at the cost of harming civilians.

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The idea of Israel being an American outpost of "progressive ideals" is pure burgerbrained nonsense. Israel is a gentrified neighborhood constantly regentrifying itself as the rate of Palestinian dispossession slows down. We recognize ourselves in them because it's a country of land thieves going out to novelty restaurants for fun, while Israeli youth is either on the path to being a useless orthodox torah-reader or drug-addled liberal fascists.

Those are American "progressive" ideals, though.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



fizziester posted:

Source: Haaretz


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...7627#1084357627

Family of Nazilanders killed in home hit by tank fire in Be'eri on Oct 7 demand Genocide Force probe
Liza Rozovsky
10:19 PM

The families of Nazilanders who were killed in a home in Land Theft Kibbutz Be'eri on October 7, captured by Hamas terrorists, sent a letter to the Genocide Force chief on Friday, demanding a "comprehensive and transparent investigation" into the decision to fire rounds at the house while civilians Naziland land thieves were held captive inside.

The letter was first publicized by Naziland's Channel 12 News. In footage published by the news outlet, the tank can be seen arriving to the land theft kibbutz a few hours after the start of the massacre liberation.

The video footage then shows the tank firing rounds in the direction of Cohen's house, in which Hamas terrorists were situated together with hostages land thieves.

Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, Commander of 99th Nazi Division, told the New York Times last month that amid the Hamas attack, he ordered a tank commander to breach Cohen's home – even if it came at the cost of harming civilians.

so tragic that the iof had to do a 10/7 to prevent a 10/7

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

fizziester posted:

Those are American "progressive" ideals, though.

That's what I said. "Burgerbrained nonsense." Have you checked your burger grease levels, patriot?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Owlbear Camus posted:

so tragic that the iof had to do a 10/7 to prevent a 10/7

they haven't posted a single crumb of proof that hamas intentionally murdered an isreali civilian on oct 7, but now we have several pieces of evidence that israel killed a ton of them

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wish nothing but the worst pain and misery for this loving ogre. Hope he has another stroke and kills himself.

:same:

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 12 days!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wish nothing but the worst pain and misery for this loving ogre. Hope he has another stroke and kills himself.

His brain melted and now he is a litteral golem with nothing but zionist words in his head

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

edmond rothschild was the venture capitalist who provided a lot of the seed money for startup firm israel. the idea was to turn it into a plantation to make a profit

E2M2
Mar 2, 2007

Ain't No Thang.
https://www.972mag.com/israel-torture-camp-gaza-detainees/

972 with a report on Israel's treatment and torture of those guys they're stripping.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_labor

israel really is the u.s. in miniature. kill/displace indigenous people, steal their land then import labor to work the land.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I know he's a personal hero of mine, but the career of Glubb Pasha sort of spells it out.

British colonial management of Jordan was really straightforward and well documented. They identified Pan-Arabism as a threat to both Jordan, and their other client, Kuwait. As holding Egypt and Iraq was untenable, the British need a wedge, quite literally, to keep the two most powerful Arab states apart, and certainly from unifying politically and threatening Suez (and therefore India).

They trained the Jordanian military along British lines and had British officers commanding, but the Hashemite monarchy was still fragile because the "Arab street" was sympathetic towards Pan-Arabism. There needed to be some other way to maintain a British presence in the region and keep Egypt and Iraq apart. Jordan also needed some sort of backstop, particularly because the Hashemites and Saudis did not get along. Actually, the Saudis were felt to be American clients and a threat, right under Pan-Arabism, to the Hashemites.

So, what sort of military ally could Britain have in the region to accomplish all of these goals? Any other Arab state might defect to the Egyptian-Iraqi cause, and indeed the fact that Iraq's monarch was overthrown is what created this strategic dilemma in the first place.

The first solution was Iran. Persians, by definition, were a safe hedge against Pan-Arabism. The French provided a hedge through how they engineered Lebanon, basically ensuring that even if Syria was lost to Pan-Arabism, the Med would be safe and there was a state there that would never fall into the Pan-Arab camp because of the Maronites. That meant the north flank, and eastern flank were secure. In Cyprus, gosh, permanent British military presence was guaranteed and the island could never fall to a Turkish, or Greek, state that might oppose British interests. Strange how that turned out.

The British at one point tried to use the Copts in Egypt like the French had used the Maronites but it didn't really work. Copts are Christian, but they're Arab and they weren't going to side with the British while they were on their way out the door. They also tried to make use of some of the other diaspora groups left behind in the wake of the Ottoman Empire, Greeks, Italians, Armenians and Albanians, but there weren't enough of them. Also, the Imperial Civil Service was full of Arabists and Orientalists who were more sympathetic towards the Bedouins than farming groups, and they associated Greeks, Italians, Armenians and Albanians with criminality as opposed to the pure Arabs of the desert, so that was not going to work. To loop back around, that's why the British loving loved the Camel Corps and all of the other British trained - but very exotic - military units in the Jordanian Army they constructed.

So, basically they realized that there was still one group that might let them keep an eye on Suez, and that was kind of that. A Jewish state, or state perpetually divided between Arabs and Jews, like Cyprus and Lebanon, would allow the British to keep Iraq and Egypt apart, and Suez secure. Some British officers, like Wingate, supported the Jews. Others, like Glubb, supported the Arabs. You can see this sort of like the Indian and Pakistani armies at partition still being commanded and staffed by British officers who felt fiercely attached to "their" Indians. The divisions had existed in the British Indian Army long before partition. Same deal here, only instead of Britishers who preferred the Muslim martial races as opposed to those who preferred the Sikhs and Hindu Jats/Rajputs, it was the Arabists versus the Philosemites.

After the Suez crisis, Britain entrusted protection of the canal, and Jordan, to the Americans, and their policy has more or less been the same, but without the romanticism. There's a book that suggests that US support for Israel started as a way to support Jordan (on behalf of the Brits), and America only really began taking an interest after 1967, and I tend to agree with that analysis.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

So transphobic that it loops back around because the only response I'd have to someone telling me they're a woman without a penis is "congrats on the successful surgery"

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
lol even people working in the ADL are feeling uncomfortable:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/jan/05/adl-pro-israel-advocacy-zionism-antisemitism

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

hailthefish posted:

start-up guys are continually reinventing things that already existed, whether it's buses or taxis or hotels or juicers or apartheid

Or falafel, couscous, etc

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wish nothing but the worst pain and misery for this loving ogre. Hope he has another stroke and kills himself.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011


What on earth did these people think they signed up for? to actually fight antisemitism? were they born yesterday?

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1PKlV1JMBU

ive never been familiar with a lot of israeli scholars but their prescience about what israel would become i think helps inform the thread's discussion about liberalism, ideology, and the awareness of contradictions within a polity.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

fizziester posted:

Source: Haaretz


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...7627#1084357627

Family of Nazilanders killed in home hit by tank fire in Be'eri on Oct 7 demand Genocide Force probe
Liza Rozovsky
10:19 PM

The families of Nazilanders who were killed in a home in Land Theft Kibbutz Be'eri on October 7, captured by Hamas terrorists, sent a letter to the Genocide Force chief on Friday, demanding a "comprehensive and transparent investigation" into the decision to fire rounds at the house while civilians Naziland land thieves were held captive inside.

The letter was first publicized by Naziland's Channel 12 News. In footage published by the news outlet, the tank can be seen arriving to the land theft kibbutz a few hours after the start of the massacre liberation.

The video footage then shows the tank firing rounds in the direction of Cohen's house, in which Hamas terrorists were situated together with hostages land thieves.

Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, Commander of 99th Nazi Division, told the New York Times last month that amid the Hamas attack, he ordered a tank commander to breach Cohen's home – even if it came at the cost of harming civilians.

I’m shocked that the colonial institution with a “Hannibal Directive” would target their own civilians.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

oh you’re editing it to that

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1743305226600456304

it's not even a single month and prosperity guardian is collapsing lmao

goodbye britain

National Parks
Apr 6, 2016

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1743305226600456304

it's not even a single month and prosperity guardian is collapsing lmao

goodbye britain

Western Militaries really just are all grift huh. Like the US has a dozen carriers but can only staff them at a quarter capacity at any one time before they have to slink back to Port.

What else is the point of all this? Absolutely embarrassing.

DTA DTI

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

National Parks posted:

Western Militaries really just are all grift huh. Like the US has a dozen carriers but can only staff them at a quarter capacity at any one time before they have to slink back to Port.

What else is the point of all this? Absolutely embarrassing.

DTA DTI

nobody in the west has worked on being able to supply their military in a hot war for more than six months

jit-brain with troop characteristics

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
some british submarine commander trying to launch the nukes after opening the last letters only to find they were never loaded in the first place

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1743305226600456304

it's not even a single month and prosperity guardian is collapsing lmao

goodbye britain

What part of "Shock and awe or bust!" don't you get? :thunk:

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005


this is wild:

quote:

And tensions continue to ignite between Greenblatt and ADL staff. At least two employees who spoke to the Guardian have quit in response to its overt emphasis on pro-Israel advocacy since the Israeli offensive on Gaza began, building on a pattern of departures from the organization. But the ADL has only doubled down on initiatives defending Israel and the policies of the Israeli government. It has welcomed a controversial congressional resolution that defined anti-Zionism as antisemitism, and it has called on law enforcement to investigate student activist groups for providing “material support” to Hamas, which the US government has designated as a terrorist organization.

as is the part about greenblatt conflating the anti-zionist left with rightwing bigotry.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1743305226600456304

it's not even a single month and prosperity guardian is collapsing lmao

goodbye britain

nuh uh no they got some guys

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Israel is a bacon of American values


You apartheid that right folks

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Best Friends posted:

What on earth did these people think they signed up for? to actually fight antisemitism? were they born yesterday?

quote:

The flirtations with Musk might seem particularly bizarre, especially given the two men have a history of feuds. But it’s actually in line with ADL’s “general approach” which is “to try and stay at the table with people in positions of power to try to coax them into a better place”, according to an internal email from senior vice-president Adam Neufeld viewed by the Guardian.

sure looks like it lol

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

shock & withdraw

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Wow he's evil and stupid

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Rigged Death Trap posted:

I believe SA is going after the Israeli government and leading figures rather than the boots on the ground.
And that follows, proving that people at the top are rancid genocidaires that encourage and incite this behaviour and it gets harder to brush off those tiktoks as bad apples and scapegoat them for what is clearly policy.

oh it was just the deputy mayor of jerusalem
oh it was just a fringe MK
oh it was just the minister for culture
oh it was just the minister for national security which is a made up role we made to quiet the guy down you understand
oh it was just the finance minister
oh it was just the defense minister
oh it was just prime minister

nobody who matters, really

only going after the useless tip that just provides cover and protection for the glans of genocide? antisemitic dog whistle much?

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

quote:

At the same time, Greenblatt has sought to win over or appease certain voices on the far right. In late November, Elon Musk endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory on X. Major companies pulled advertising, and the White House condemned it as an “abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate”. Greenblatt criticized it on a podcast, but the next day, he praised Musk, after the tech CEO said that tweeting the controversial protest chant “from the river to the sea” would be deemed a violation of X’s terms of service. Several dismayed ADL advisory board members threatened to quit their posts, and this week, according to reporting in Jewish Currents, an executive resigned over Greenblatt’s praise of Musk.

very funny to make those statements within 24 hours of each other

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah, the UK is also decommissioning 2 frigates at the same time before they can get a replacement. This is along with most of their attack subs being in or waiting for drydock, them selling/giving all of their minesweepers, and recently one of their 4 nuclear ballistic subs almost sunk due to a faulty gauge.

That isn't even to begin with the issues with the carriers.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 07:27 on Jan 6, 2024

Mesopotamia
Apr 12, 2010
Election this year, probably 5 years of Starmer, then we are probably a year or two away from the UK officially being considered the minor power it is. We can’t fill potholes, definitely can’t control the Middle East.

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

gradenko_2000 posted:

The American occupation disarmed the Iraqi military as part of debaathification, and then the CIA fed that entire region with guns and explosives via the Libyan ratline as part of Operation Timber Sycamore's aim of deposing Bashar al-Assad

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008

VoicesCanBe posted:

Wow he's evil and stupid



may his next stroke put him in early retirement.

Plastic Megaphone
Aug 11, 2007
No more credit from the liquor store.
2106: Fetterman is Feinstein 2

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1742340042389934452?s=20

One of the weirdest stories of the war so far. A 15 year old stole a car and did a hit-and-run on the one guy in Seattle who was also a 40 year old major in the IAF.

based

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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/tshugart3/status/1742884128771444857
https://twitter.com/macastel3/status/1743285740539122084

one weird trick to not get your cargo ships droned imperialists hate this

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