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Black Lighter posted:Yeah, unless he saw something in Bryce that no one else did this year, he'd be looking at a roster with no QB, no offensive skill players worth a drat, no first round pick to fix either of these problems and a lovely owner with an itchy trigger finger. There's no way he's actually interested. i actually think this makes it more intriguing for him tbh if Harbaugh comes to Carolina and things improve (which will not take much!) he definitely gets 100% of the credit, and rightfully so if he comes & things continue to suck he'll take none of the blame either way he gets paid a fuckton to leave his alma mater, avoids dealing with any future sanctions, and given Tepper's propensity for firing coaches there's a non-zero chance he's a free agent within 2 seasons anyway
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Mega64 posted:I feel like Vrabel is a younger Belicheck, for all the good and bad that means. The problem is I don't trust this guy with an offense, so I'm fine if he wants to go to New England. I'd rather just hire an offensive minded HC
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StupidSexyMothman posted:if Harbaugh comes to Carolina and things improve (which will not take much!) he definitely gets 100% of the credit, and rightfully so I think this, along with Tepper's blank checks, is what makes our job appealing to any candidate, honestly. Come here for an absolute bag and either look like a football god or walk away a few years later, rich as hell and with everyone just going "lol Tepper." You can't really damage your reputation here, and you'll be compensated handsomely for your time.
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Nodoze posted:I'd rather just hire an offensive minded HC I may be a sicko, but I kinda want to give Mayo the job and... bring in Josh McDaniels to run the offense. Sure Ben Johnson might be a better coach or whatever, but the defense is going to regress without Bill, but Mayo at least might be able to retain some of that, and McDaniels is a solid OC who will never, ever ever be considered for a HC gig again.
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Kalli posted:I may be a sicko, but I kinda want to give Mayo the job and... bring in Josh McDaniels to run the offense. What on earth makes you think Mayo would be a good DC let alone head coach??
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:What on earth makes you think Mayo would be a good DC let alone head coach?? I mean the defense has been really good without all that much talent on it. Yeah, Bill and all, but Mayo was being groomed to take over allegedly, and I'd rather give Mayo the chance. Also, I think whomever follows Bill is going to be completely doomed anyways so I'd rather it be his protege who at least may keep the vultures at bay for a whole season.
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Kalli posted:I may be a sicko, but I kinda want to give Mayo the job and... bring in Josh McDaniels to run the offense. You sickos just can’t quit him
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Kalli posted:I mean the defense has been really good without all that much talent on it. Yeah, Bill and all, but Mayo was being groomed to take over allegedly, and I'd rather give Mayo the chance. I think Mayo's smart enough to know he should stay as far away from that job as possible
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indigi posted:I think Mayo's smart enough to know he should stay as far away from that job as possible Where are all the teams lining up to hire Mayo as their HC? That is the only job he's gonna get.
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Kalli posted:I may be a sicko, but I kinda want to give Mayo the job and... bring in Josh McDaniels to run the offense. No thanks. Give me one of the Shanahan nerds
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Nodoze posted:No thanks. Give me one of the Shanahan nerds Haven't all the Shanahan nerds been picked clean at this point? He has old guys in Wilks and Foerster as his senior lieutenants and I'm not sure you really want Klint Kubiak running the show.
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Kalli posted:I mean the defense has been really good without all that much talent on it. Yeah, Bill and all, but Mayo was being groomed to take over allegedly, and I'd rather give Mayo the chance. I think the Pats need to clean house entirely. Hiring Mayo as a replacement is a half measure. Not to mention he's going to struggle to field a competent staff when he has to compete with Belichick at his new gig for hires. Just how big of a pool do you think Mayo has to pull from? Look at how Brian Flores had problems in Miami. Besides the smart thing for Mayo would be to go DC another team for a year or two and prove he has the bonafides without Bill standing behind him.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Haven't all the Shanahan nerds been picked clean at this point? He has old guys in Wilks and Foerster as his senior lieutenants and I'm not sure you really want Klint Kubiak running the show. Bobby Slowik
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mcmagic posted:Where are all the teams lining up to hire Mayo as their HC? That is the only job he's gonna get. if he accepts it will certainly be the only HC job he ever gets
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a neat cape posted:Bobby Slowik He's slow, icky, and bounces too much.
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indigi posted:if he accepts it will certainly be the only HC job he ever gets ... He's 37. if he busts out, he'd most likely end up as a DC somewhere and build himself back up if he's got the chops and have another opportunity in his mid-40's.
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Nervous posted:He's slow, icky, and bounces too much.  Now tell all the teams that so they dont hire him away. I feel weird saying that because I'm a jags fan but CJS is just so much fun to watch I dont want him to have to deal with a revolving door of OCs if Slowik leaves and the new guy is bad.
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Kalli posted:... He's 37. if he busts out, he'd most likely end up as a DC somewhere and build himself back up if he's got the chops and have another opportunity in his mid-40's. Pro if he fails as an HC the first time: he's from the Bill coaching tree, they basically get infinite chances Con if he fails as an HC the first time: he's black, it's an 80-20 shot at him never getting another chance. And you only need to look at Bieniemy to see how hard it is to even get a shot at that "first time" chance Tough to say which would prevail, the infinite chances or only chance/which does the league love more, people who hung out with Belichick, or lack of diversity in authority
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Remembering Romeo Crennel, two time interim head coach and owner of the record for oldest person to ever be the HC for a game.
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Kalli posted:Remembering Romeo Crennel, two time interim head coach and owner of the record for oldest person to ever be the HC for a game. First double digit win Browns Head Coach since Billy 5 aces too!
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Bieniemy is my favorite potential Panthers hire just for the stories and dynamics that come from it. Just two assholes desperate for a chance
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I doubt that Tepper wouldn't want a guy because he's hard headed. Tepper has the kind of arrogance where he absolutely wouldn't have the introspection to realise he's an rear end in a top hat. I'm sure he soundly believes hes a reasonable and good leader of men. He'd for sure think he can work with Harbaugh. It's just twitter bullshit.
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Oh yeah Tepper interviews and articles about his career are hilarious for that exact reason. He's somehow lived his life without ever wondering am I the rear end in a top hat?
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Tepper should really consider hiring Joe Barry. Perfect head coach for his project of leading Carolina to back to back 0 win seasons. Well, I assume that's his aim based on how he acts
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What I've liked about Vrabel is he's taken some really banged up defensive units and still had them playing meaningfully late in the season. That matters a lot, more than taking a shot on a potential offensive whiz kid who then doesn't know what they're doing (like Arthur Smith!), so I'd much rather we just have hire an offensive ccordinator who doesn't get into predictable gut run/gut run/pass on third and long cycles for once.
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Vrabel is also one of the smartest game managers in the NFL.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Oh yeah Tepper interviews and articles about his career are hilarious for that exact reason. He's somehow lived his life without ever wondering am I the rear end in a top hat? he's a finance guy from pittsburgh, when did he ever in his life have the opportunity to wonder that
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Kalli posted:... He's 37. if he busts out, he'd most likely end up as a DC somewhere and build himself back up if he's got the chops and have another opportunity in his mid-40's. that's true. tons of black DCs get head coaching jobs
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indigi posted:that's true. tons of black DCs get head coaching jobs So your argument is he shouldn't take the Patriots head coaching job because... he's unlikely to get a HC job ever?
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We made through another year of hot seat talk! Thanks to everyone who helped make this thread another fun ride, hopefully your new coaches will be better in 2024. And if they’re not, we’ll see you in this thread again in 2-3 years. WEEK 18 UPDATE COOL Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Robert Saleh, New York Jets Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers Zac Taylor, Cincinnati Bengals Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland Browns Doug Pederson, Jacksonville Jaguars Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans DeMeco Ryans, Houston Texans Shane Steichen, Indianapolis Colts Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs Sean Payton, Denver Broncos Mike McCarthy, Dallas Cowboys Brian Daboll, New York Giants Dan Campbell, Detroit Lions Matt LaFleur, Green Bay Packers Kevin O’Connell, Minnesota Vikings Todd Bowles, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks Jonathan Gannon, Arizona Cardinals There’s been some chatter about Vrabel planning his exit strategy (supposedly he doesn’t get along with the new GM ownership hand-picked for him), which seems plausible enough, but I don’t really buy the Patriots rumors. If he wants to bail on Tennessee to avoid a rebuild, why would he go somewhere that also doesn’t have a QB? It doesn’t pass the smell test to me, and just feels like people connecting dots because he used to play there. I’m gonna table the Fat Mike discourse until we see what they do in the playoffs. Anything less than the NFCCG will be a disappointment, going one-and-done will be a disaster. We can revisit Bowles if the Bucs somehow lose to the Panthers and blow the division, because woof if that happens. MILD Nick Sirianni, Philadelphia Eagles – Well. I guess we have to talk about this. To be perfectly clear, I don’t believe Sirianni’s job is in danger in 2023, no matter what happens in the playoffs. Firing a guy after a Super Bowl appearance would be absurd and rather unprecedented. But the vibes in Philly are so rancid that I can’t really ignore it anymore. Even when they were 10-1, something felt “off” in that locker room, and now that they stopped winning the knives really came out. The Sean Desai/Matt Patricia situation looks like a season-ruining decision, and maybe we should’ve been more worried about the coordinator turnover, especially with Steichen excelling in Indy right now. Now there’s plenty of talent on this team, so we can’t rule out them making a deep playoff run and righting the ship somewhat. But the honeymoon is clearly over, and 2024 is already looking like a big crossroads year for this era of Eagles football. Matt Eberflus, Chicago Bears – The growing consensus now is that Eberflus is safe, but I’ll hold back on a full cooling until we get word from ownership. Either way, it’s a legitimately impressive turnaround for the Bears, who are 5-2 since early November and have a chance to knock the hated Packers out of the playoffs. Now the big question is what they do with the No. 1 pick and whether to keep building around Fields, who is due for his fifth-year option this spring. Dennis Allen, New Orleans Saints – Sounds like they’re planning to run this back, which, sure, whatever. Call me when this team gets interesting again. Arthur Smith, Atlanta Falcons – Arthur Blank (and his well-placed media mouthpieces) have signaled that they could give Smith another year, and given Blank’s famous patience, that wouldn’t surprise me at this point. I just don’t see the on-field rationale for it. If they lose to the Saints that will be three straight years of 7-10, and they still don’t have a long-term QB. Where’s the progress? This entire tenure has felt like a giant waste of time for the organization. If Smith does come back I’m putting him on midseason firing watch next year, because he’s done nothing to earn my trust. SPICY HOT Bill Belichick, New England Patriots – It’s all over except for the “thanks for everything” press release. Now if you’re a gambling man then put a healthy chunk on the Patriots this Sunday, because I can’t think of a more perfect ending to the Belichick era than him getting to humiliate the Jets one last time. Ron Rivera, Washington Commanders – Probably the last game of his coaching career and he has to start the QB he benched because Jacoby Brissett got hurt in practice. Not everybody gets a storybook ending, unfortunately.  Josh McDaniels, Las Vegas Raiders (interim coach: Antonio Pierce) Frank Reich, Carolina Panthers (interim coach: Chris Tabor) Brandon Staley, Los Angeles Chargers (interim coach: Giff Smith) BENNE’S OFFICIAL PREDICTIONS: SIX JOB OPENINGS Raiders (I don’t think they keep Pierce) Panthers Chargers Patriots Commanders Falcons
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Kalli posted:So your argument is he shouldn't take the Patriots head coaching job because... he's unlikely to get a HC job ever? he isn't a DC right now. he should save up
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Sirianni should be fired and "he was carried last season by Steichen and an absurd DL rotation" isn't really an excuse to give him another year. he can't put together an offensive gameplan, he can't pick staff (Steichen was his only good coordinator hire), and he lost the locker room. what coaching job is he good at?
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution had a poll for what to do with Arthur Smith, with three options: Fire, keep and keep only if he makes the playoffs. They ran a story on the poll today, which was 74% to fire this morning. The poll was left open and by afternoon the fire percentage rose to 76%. My only fear is that we somehow end up with somebody worse, a Reich or McDaniels. At least Carolina has the guarantee that whoever their permanent guy is, he's better than Reich. Atlanta still could somehow be more inept.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Atlanta Journal-Constitution had a poll for what to do with Arthur Smith, with three options: Fire, keep and keep only if he makes the playoffs. Atlanta and Carolina. Both longing for 2015, 2016 era teams 
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Eh, I’d still take reich who has similar excuses/reasons as Bryce and took a mostly QBless colts teams to mostly playoff relevancy, over Smith who showed flashes as an OC wunderkind and then nothing. He’s an offensive Brandon Staley.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Eh, I’d still take reich who has similar excuses/reasons as Bryce and took a mostly QBless colts teams to mostly playoff relevancy, over Smith who showed flashes as an OC wunderkind and then nothing. He’s an offensive Brandon Staley. Reich is dumber than Matt Rhule was.
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