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Why do they push so hard to get married. Is the idea that enlisted will get into less trouble or something?
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Meow Tse-tung posted:Why do they push so hard to get married. Is the idea that enlisted will get into less trouble or something? Military is thinking ahead to the recruitment goals for 19 years down the line
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Jan 6, 2024 02:07
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Meow Tse-tung posted:Why do they push so hard to get married. Is the idea that enlisted will get into less trouble or something? I have a few books on this, but the short answer is that soldiers were famous for whoring and a terror to the wives and daughters of garrison towns, so the Victorians started pushing for army reforms so enlisted soldiers could marry. It was part of the same program of moral reform that brought team sports, libraries and canteens that served tea and coffee to military life. Marriage and the British Army in the Long Eighteenth Century: 'The Girl I Left Behind Me' The Girl I Left Behind Me addresses a neglected aspect of the history of the Hanoverian army. From 1685 to the beginning of the Victorian era, army administration attempted to discourage marriage among men in almost all ranks. It fostered a misogynist culture of the bachelor soldier who trifled with feminine hearts and avoided responsibility and commitment. The army's policy was unsuccessful in preventing military marriage. By concentrating on the many soldiers' wives who were unable to win permission to live "on the strength" of the regiment (entitled to half-rations) and travel with their husbands, this title explores the phenomenon of soldiers who persisted in defying the army's anti-marriage initiatives. Using evidence gathered from ballads, novels, court and parish records, letters, memoirs, and War Office papers, Jennine Hurl-Eamon shows that both soldiers and their wives exerted continual pressure on the state through evocative appeals to officers and civilians, fuelled by wives' pride in performing their own military "duty" at home. Respectable, companionate couples of all ranks reflect a subculture within the army that recognized the value in Enlightenment femininity. Looking at military marriages within the telescoping contexts of the state, their regimental and civilian communities, and the couples themselves, The Girl I Left Behind Me reveals the range of masculinities beneath the uniform, the positive influence of wives and sweethearts on soldiers' performance of their duties, and the surprising resilience of partnerships severed by war and army anti-marriage policies. e: and from one of my favourite books on homosex, Martial masculinities: Experiencing and imagining the military in the long nineteenth century Ch 3: Recalling the comforts of home: bachelor soldiers’ narratives of nostalgia and the re-creation of the domestic interior The domestic conditions that British bachelor soldiers encountered during the Napoleonic Wars presented at times a fragmentary and nomadic experience, creating something of a ‘frontier of domesticity’. Whilst on campaign, a combination of physical and emotional comforts were provided by soldiers’ access to some semblance of shelter and domestic material goods, but such provisions often varied according to availability and social status. Billeting was a common practice in the towns and villages that the military passed through, with the quality of accommodation regularly determined by rank - which found commanding officers often quartered in the best house in the street. Army life could potentially disrupt traditional understandings of masculine ideals and provided an environment within which bachelors could invert conventional models of eighteenth-century masculinity: models that located domesticity firmly within the confines of marriage. The predominance of studies exploring normative masculinity has meant that men in their bachelorhood (in the military and civilian spheres) are frequently separated not only from histories of the home, but also from histories of the family and of the emotions. As this chapter will demonstrate, however, despite often inhospitable environments and lack of suitable housing, bachelor soldiers’ life-writings show that they sought to remodel or classify the novel space of their temporary quarters in ways that achieved a sense of comfort from familiar domestic material objects and the rituals they associated with home. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:13 on Jan 6, 2024 |
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Jan 6, 2024 02:09
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It's simple. We (the royal we) want you (the scummy enlisted peasantry) to engage in death defying fast life strategies on the battlefield yet engage in slow life family focused lifestyle off the battlefield or whenever not on duty. Because we can't abide warrior types in civilised society with afternoon tea and cupcakes. Incompatible goals? Sorry I don't understand.
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Jan 6, 2024 02:45
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DancingShade posted:It's simple. We (the royal we) want you (the scummy enlisted peasantry) to engage in death defying fast life strategies on the battlefield yet engage in slow life family focused lifestyle off the battlefield or whenever not on duty. Because we can't abide warrior types in civilised society with afternoon tea and cupcakes. Yes, but in several monographs and detailing how that same ruling class liked hiring out handsome soldiers as prostitutes. Pretty much every European country grappled with this in the 19th century. Some of them, like Prussia, just brutalized the gently caress out of their enlisted soldiers, and others, like France, made sure military bases were as far from decent society as possible.
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Jan 6, 2024 02:53
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they should have just had enlisted wives for support roles
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Jan 6, 2024 03:14
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Real hurthling! posted:they should have just had enlisted wives for support roles Spluttered foppish gasp: A woman? In UNIFORM?!? Just wait until my father Baron Duke Von Wibbleflop hears about this!
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Jan 6, 2024 04:07
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Frosted Flake posted:Do American scouts not learn about the Battle of Mafeking and do the activities about it? I remember we made Zulu cowhide shields out of cardboard and then learned about the veldt for an orienteering activity. We learned about telegraph lines and semaphore, that’s where you get the badge for Morse Code. we didn't learn that when I was a scout either. We did do a lot of drills and did a pretty good march-past by the time we were done.
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Jan 6, 2024 04:52
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Government considers poaching defence talent from overseas in major shiftquote:Foreign citizens could be allowed to serve in the Australian military under options being explored by the federal government as it seeks to fix a recruitment and retention crisis. what stage of neoliberal rot are we at when our proud tradition of exploiting desperate Pacific Islander migrant labour is being extended to the military
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Jan 6, 2024 06:01
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sounds more like australia's going to become very political and very ukrainian in the near future imo
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Jan 6, 2024 06:03
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Lol. Does service guarantee citizenship? Even the US knows you have to dangle that carrot (even if there are sometimes *ahem* “complications to your application process”).
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Jan 6, 2024 06:13
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galagazombie posted:Lol. Does service guarantee citizenship? Even the US knows you have to dangle that carrot (even if there are sometimes *ahem* “complications to your application process”). No, it doesn't. Not that citizenship guarantees anything, either, but guarantees from the government to peasants are communism and we don't do that here.
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Jan 6, 2024 06:32
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Government considers poaching defence talent from overseas in major shift actually this might just be the sign of an empire in decline, especially on the frontiers. after all, rome started hiring foreign mercenaries to protect their borders from their countrymen......i forget, how'd that all end?
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Jan 6, 2024 07:22
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galagazombie posted:Lol. Does service guarantee citizenship? It guarantees you some amount of pay and the opportunity to get completely hosed over. Anything else is just marketing.
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Jan 6, 2024 07:24
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Ardent Communist posted:actually this might just be the sign of an empire in decline, especially on the frontiers. after all, rome started hiring foreign mercenaries to protect their borders from their countrymen......i forget, how'd that all end? It worked out pretty well really. Perhaps slightly less well if you were Roman. After all not everyone can be a winner at the same time.
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Jan 6, 2024 07:26
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https://twitter.com/C3_AI/status/1742682253988085853 it's time for start up pentagon
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Jan 6, 2024 07:50
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/C3_AI/status/1742682253988085853 Instead of using kickstarter to crowd fund video game scams run by con artists and adult aged children we should be using it to crowd fund military themed scams run by con artists and adult aged children.
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Jan 6, 2024 07:53
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Danann posted:sounds more like australia's going to become very political and very ukrainian in the near future imo lollin at Ukrostrailia
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Frosted Flake posted:Yes, but not with your wife. The revolting part about all the homosex in the British army is that they’re British. Have some loving standards smdh
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Jan 6, 2024 11:24
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Complications posted:No, it doesn't. Not that citizenship guarantees anything, either, but guarantees from the government to peasants are communism and we don't do that here. So it's just straight up foreign legions. Wait, do French foreign legion or British Gurkhas brigades give out citizenships?
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Jan 6, 2024 13:18
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stephenthinkpad posted:So it's just straight up foreign legions. Wait, do French foreign legion or British Gurkhas brigades give out citizenships? The FFL does after five years or if you're wounded in battle.
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Jan 6, 2024 13:46
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https://x.com/starsandstripes/status/1743558019357810842?s=20 https://x.com/starsandstripes/status/1743512721751175352?s=20
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stephenthinkpad posted:So it's just straight up foreign legions. Wait, do French foreign legion or British Gurkhas brigades give out citizenships? Gurkhas can apply for citizenship after applying for settlement after they are discharged. They were first allowed to do so in 2004, but only for those discharged after 1997. That got expanded to everyone in 2009.
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Jan 6, 2024 14:22
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The FFL famously gives you a new name, and later citizenship. It’s why it’s been cyclically full of Spanish Republicans/German Jews and Communists/the opposite of German Jews and Communists/ ??? (mid Cold War) ???/Yugoslavians/Africans.
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Jan 6, 2024 14:45
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dunno if this is biosphere or economics or wwIII losing i heard an energy researcher claim that the US's goal is to attract all of Europe's industry/production, as Europe no longer has access to cheap energy, but they would have access to it in the US. So, come on over! We continue to roll back environmental and labor protections, so i guess i could see it. just never heard anyone else talk about it. idk
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Jan 6, 2024 15:47
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:dunno if this is biosphere or economics or wwIII losing We've been talking about it since Ukraine started.
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Jan 6, 2024 15:53
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i guess. i've heard plenty of "the us is securing a market for its natural gas," and less "The US wants europe to wholesale move its manufacturing to the US" maybe i missed that, i don't read that thread super closely
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Jan 6, 2024 16:26
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:dunno if this is biosphere or economics or wwIII losing It's been discussed extensively - one thing NATO seems to be doing with Ukraine is achieving a more fully financialized, deindustrialized Europe for the sake of American interests. They gotta compete with Russia and China somehow, and the US since the 70s certainly hasn't had its own domestic industrial capacity capable of doing that.
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Jan 6, 2024 16:31
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load every germany factory onto a boat and sink it on the way over oopsie sorry hans, would you like a couple million f150s?
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Jan 6, 2024 16:32
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Wish dot com socialism with Chinese characteristics Taking the industrial base from your vassals to lift the bougeois out of uh poverty
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Jan 6, 2024 16:42
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guess i'll have to pay more attention. it seems like quite the explainer for so much of american activity. also seems impossible that america has enough leadership to accomplish a long term project like that. anyone have a particular article/etc. expanding on this?
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Sancho Banana posted:It's been discussed extensively - one thing NATO seems to be doing with Ukraine is achieving a more fully financialized, deindustrialized Europe for the sake of American interests. They gotta compete with Russia and China somehow, and the US since the 70s certainly hasn't had its own domestic industrial capacity capable of doing that. they aren't trying to compete with so much as disconnect from russia and china. in the face of collapsing control across the periphery, the core economies are reorganizing themselves to a state of relatively uniform and intensive level of exploitation of their local working classes. the american state is overly deindustrialized and focused on administration of the periphery for the empire's needs.
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Jan 6, 2024 16:51
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:i guess. i've heard plenty of "the us is securing a market for its natural gas," and less "The US wants europe to wholesale move its manufacturing to the US" Pushing the European manufacturing move to the US follows the same logic of forcing Samsung and TSMC semiconductors fab move to the US. But the policy makers who thought up this bright idea will soon find out either the Samsung plant nor the TSMC plant is operational until they actually give out the subsidies they promised.
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/C3_AI/status/1742682253988085853 A friend in computer science who's been very interested in communism for a few months and asked for my help to learn had this absolute golden moment of insight after understanding cost-saving as capital efficiency (use less capital to extract more surplus value). He asked if military work could generate surplus value: outside of engineering battalions building stuff and other similar tasks, no, it does not. Military has a very high demand of value, however, and that can be of use for many economic activities, especially for a socialist country. He then connected this value demand with neoliberalism and asked if cost-cutting could be used as a way to diverge direct investment (government -> military) into private investors, and yeah, totally. He immediately banged on: "holy poo poo mfers gotta be pitching machine learning for NATO right now" and started talking about how absolutely terrible of an idea that is going to be (from the perspective of a computer scientist). a lmao after another
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Jan 6, 2024 17:36
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”Startup Pentagon" has a nice trashy airport triller ring to it.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:He asked if military work could generate surplus value: outside of engineering battalions building stuff and other similar tasks, no, it does not. This seems inaccurate. A military does not *directly* generate surplus value, true. However, it is a powerful tool for expropriating surplus value from others. It is used for this far more than “protecting the nation” or whatever; there is a strong case that its primary use is as a coercive tool for seizing surplus value. Obviously in its most crude form of pillaging and looting (which, as we see in Palestine, is not as far into history as many would like to imagine). But also in capturing resources to be added to internal markets and labor enforcement. Yes it is the workers on the rubber plantations that were generating surplus value, but it was the military that made them convert crop land to rubber production and forced them to work at the plantations in the first place, who kept them from demanding the value of their labor, who enforced the ownership claims that directed the surplus value back to the core.
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It was also productive as the public health services, roads and railways, telegraph networks, and steel industries created to support militaries also created value or enabled value to be created. The internet was originally a military project, for example. Commercial airlines first used surplus military aircraft, then were paid to design aircraft with dual use in mind, and the same went for the shipping companies. I think the missing piece here is that these all required active states that were willing and able to “intervene” in “the economy”, a sphere of life they didn’t see as any different than the national interest and state building.
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Grilled Beef posted:This seems inaccurate. I meant in the strict sense of Marx, as capital-generating labor (which is why I also emphasized the value demand, which is all economic activity that is charged by having a military, like ff posted) And of course, yes, I agree with the point. Militaries allow for imperialism and that is very appreciable to the ruling class
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Frosted Flake posted:How frequently do Americans mustang enlisted men? Depends on if enlisted dudes get a degree on their own time.
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